Started by LR, December 31, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
QuoteSince his death in 1973 and the discovery of his massive opus, and especially since the 1990s, there have been many references in popular culture to Darger's work—references by other visual artists (including, but not limited to, artists of comics and graphic novels); numerous songs by artists from Snakefinger (one of the earliest, in 1979) to Natalie Merchant (on her 2001 album Motherland) to the American indie band Wussy on their album Left For Dead (2007); a 1999 book-length poem, Girls on the Run, by John Ashbery; and a 2004 multimedia piece by choreographer Pat Graney incorporating Darger images. These artists have variously drawn from and responded to Darger's artistic style, his themes (especially the Vivian Girls, the young heroines of Darger's massive illustrated novel), and the events in his life. Jessica Yu's 2004 documentary In the Realms of the Unreal details Darger's life and artworks. Canadian hardcore band Fucked Up include a track entitled "Vivian Girls" on the 2006 album Hidden World, the lyrics of which deal with the violent plot and the nature of Darger's fixation on the virginal main characters.The Vivian Girls, an all-girl indie/punk/shoegaze trio from Brooklyn, took their name from Darger's work.The Vivian Girls were namechecked by San Francisco guitarist Snakefinger (Philip Lithman Roth), an associate of the Residents, in his song "The Vivian Girls." The song was also recorded by Camper Van Beethoven offshoot Monks of Doom on their 1989 LP The Cosmodemonic Telegraph Company.Sufjan Stevens released a song titled "The Vivian Girls Are Visited in the Night by Saint Dargarius and His Squadron of Benevolent Butterflies" on his 2006 compilation album The Avalanche: Outtakes and Extras from the Illinois Album.Indie rock band ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead have a song titled "Segue: In the Realms of the Unreal" on their 2006 album So Divided.Jesse Kellerman's 2008 novel The Genius took part of its inspiration from Darger's story.The artist Grayson Perry cites Darger as "the artist he identifies most with in terms of his creative pathways," and his influence can clearly be seen in Perry's use of visual language.Comic book artist Scott McCloud refers to Darger's work in his book Making Comics, while describing the danger artists encounter in the creation of a character's back-story. McCloud says that complicated narratives can easily spin out of control when too much unseen information is built up around the characters.In her coffee table book, Influence, Mary-Kate Olsen cited Darger as one of her favorite painters.The Simpsons references Darger in the episode "Lisa the Drama Queen". Lisa Simpson goes to the American Folk Art Museum and Darger paintings can be seen.The Venture Brothers references Darger in the episode, "Self-Medication"(episode 406). Sgt. Hatred, after commenting that the film he and Hank & Dean Venture are watching (with obvious similarities to Tolkien's "The Return of the King")"has an awful lot of realms", then after being told that "(elves)...don't have a gender...just stay 13 forever", calls out, "What? Did Henry Darger write this?!"
QuoteThe term outsider art was coined by art critic Roger Cardinal in 1972 as an English synonym for art brut (French: [aʁ bʁyt], "raw art" or "rough art"), a label created by French artist Jean Dubuffet to describe art created outside the boundaries of official culture; Dubuffet focused particularly on art by insane-asylum inmates.While Dubuffet's term is quite specific, the English term "outsider art" is often applied more broadly, to include certain self-taught or Naïve art makers who were never institutionalized. Typically, those labeled as outsider artists have little or no contact with the mainstream art world or art institutions. In many cases, their work is discovered only after their deaths. Often, outsider art illustrates extreme mental states, unconventional ideas, or elaborate fantasy worlds.Outsider art has emerged as a successful art marketing category (an annual Outsider Art Fair has taken place in New York since 1992). The term is sometimes misapplied as a catch-all marketing label for art created by people outside the mainstream "art world," regardless of their circumstances or the content of their work.In 1991, the first and only such organization dedicated to the study, exhibition and promotion of outsider art was formed in Chicago: Intuit: The Center for Intuitive and Outsider Art. Chicago is often recognized for its concentration of self taught and outsider artists, among them -- Henry Darger, Joseph Yoakum, Lee Godie, William Dawson, David Philpot, and Wesley Willis. Intuit maintains a non-profit museum, open to the public, which features exhibitions of art by intuitive, outsider, and self taught artists.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 08, 2010, 10:27:22 AMIf we look from viewers perspective, I guess outsider art will remain truly outsider only for some time. When moment comes that "outsider" gets appreciated and praised everywhere, especially after he has already died... Does it change the nature of art itself?Question would be:Is outsider art definition from artists point of view or audience point of view? I think it would be foolish in first place to assume outsider art is at all based on "success", perhaps even posthumous success.
QuoteWhen works done by person who created his works, outside typical art scene enviroment /art institutions, for his own obsessive needs, it is outsider in original meaning of term. Does for example nature of noise change when it's known by 6 people who have rough tape and its underground, and suddenly 1000 people know same material and it changes its nature to hip & accessible? Material was still created under same methods and motivations, which should be what defines it material itself.
QuoteI think in Finland, there is situation similar to "everywhere else". Where there is the real art scene. High profile established galleries, museums and artist. And there is no business with anyone with any offensive, unusual or low level art. But then as alternative, there is obviously alternative option, with low level galleries, alternative spaces.. exhibitions happening in certain bars or venue, and so on. And it's hard to really call member of some scene as "outsider". Or at least not all of them. Being self taught, being outside of mainstream, they still create large relatively homogenous micro society, where people aren't outsiders.
QuoteRather than outsider art, I would find more supportable terms perhaps TRANSGRESSIVE ART, SUBVERSIVE ART, ANTI-SOCIAL ART, etc.. Of course almost equally vague, but...
Quote from: LIFE on January 09, 2010, 02:40:14 AM"All of this cool art comes from isolated freaks, so I need to lock myself away"