Sharing MP3s of old out-of-print noise?

[PedestrianOrgans]

Hopefully I'm not making a faux-pas here, intent is for discussion because I'm curious what the general opinions are about this. Piracy is obviously terrible, but in this game practically a majority of classic records are lost to the ages or whatever lucky 20-odd people still have them. I've seen Discogs profiles happily offering rips of unavailable items in their collection, and I've seen ones where people outright refuse to "waste their time".

So what does everyone think? If you're against sharing, why? Is it an elitist sort of thing? Keep the party small, once something gets too popular it's not cool anymore? It should be obvious case-by-case whether the artist stands any chance of financial benefit. In some cases one could argue original intent, I suppose, still not sure what's up with Mlehst's whole "masters-destroying" spiel, and the Broken Flag implosion and rebirth is old hat.

How is Dead Body Love so idolized and yet so unavailable?

But yeah, so what's the dealio?

[ConcreteMascara]

I used to convert all of my cassettes to digital files via Audacity. when I use soulseek, which is infrequently at best, I'd share the rare and oop stuff. but i'd normally be on for 1hr to 3hrs tops so I don't get a ton of downloads.

I personally provide digital copies of OOP Concrete Mascara stuff if people ask because why not. if people are interested in checking out my stuff, I don't see any reason to make it harder for them (and also the amount of OOP CM material is pretty small).

Personally I don't see any harm in sharing digital versions of wildly OOP tapes and LPs. I'll probably never be willing to spend the money on an original copy of Genocide Organ's Mind Control so I'll settle for the MP3s of that. i would assume 99% of people are in that boat. and if you can find a rip of a Swedish noise tape that was all but impossible to get unless you're one of the "cool guys" that artist will sell to, then fuck it, download the rip. No new support eh? Fine I'll take your music for free then :P

but then there are other releases I won't download because I'd rather hunt for them and get the final satisfaction of hearing the physical copy whenever that may be. I would guess everyone has their own philosophy about it.

[PTM Jim]

So what does everyone think? If you're against sharing, why? Is it an elitist sort of thing? Keep the party small, once something gets too popular it's not cool anymore? It should be obvious case-by-case whether the artist is stands any chance of financial benefit from the album in question. Nobody's going to drop 400 bones on "NATO-Uniformen" thinking any of that is going to Alberich or Dom. In some cases one could argue original intent, I suppose, still not sure what's up with Mlehst's whole "masters-destroying" spiel, and the Broken Flag implosion and rebirth is old hat.

NATO-Uniformen is actually available for download on the Hospital website as well as many others on the label. That way the artists actually do get a cut of the money per download. Good way to do it I think.

[PedestrianOrgans]

That's good for things like that, I actually took advantage for that and Dracula Syndrome, but I'll admit I made this post in a fit of frustration about Dead Body Love, after mostly giving up on a lot of those old Mlehst tapes haha. Just seems like several people have and love "Tumours" but I see no way to buy or download it or listen to it. A couple other ones also.

[Soloman Tump]

Nobody's going to drop 400 bones on "NATO-Uniformen" thinking any of that is going to Alberich or Dom.

https://boomkat.com/products/nato-uniformen

This is where I recently purchased said product from. 

[PedestrianOrgans]

Haha, YES INDEED it is super convenient that Dom Fernow likes to keep his stuff available digitally, and clearly he likes to reissue OOP classics but Alberich was supposed to be an example of how getting the original cassette box from another collector wouldn't benefit the artist or label at all.

The problem I'm having is with the hordes of other tapes and artists and labels that aren't still around or aren't still running, where getting a hold of the music at all requires either waiting for someone to MAYBE sell a copy for hundreds of dollars, or if you're a slug like me going around asking them if they'll share or trade.

I just don't understand why it should be so difficult to just LISTEN to a particular record in 2018 when you're  perfectly willing to pay for a copy, trade for, or pay for a download of it. However, since there's no option to directly support the artist anymore then you might as well give up. It's bizarre to me that people will let music that's already so obscure die out because they won't waste their time sharing it or are too Comic Book Guy to open the tape.

*pulls stick out of ass*

[Theodore]

If you could fuck every woman on the planet, you wouldn't enjoy fucking. More likely you would prefer your handpalm than any of them after a while.

We can't have them all. That's life. Enjoy what you have, what you ll get, and keep trying for those you wish.

[PTM Jim]

Thrill of the find is better than the instant gratification of download anyway.

[ConcreteMascara]

Thrill of the find is better than the instant gratification of download anyway.

I agree on a baseline level, but I will say there are albums I downloaded first and bought years and years later and the enjoyment of finally getting a hard-copy was not diminished at all.

But a man's got to have a code.

[PedestrianOrgans]

I agree also, but I agree with Concrete on the basis that the frustration of never being able to hear something until that one-in-a-million copy comes along is WAY worse than having the find dulled a bit.

[PTM Jim]

True.

[PedestrianOrgans]

But also true, I do need to simmer down my butthurt, haha. Sorry guys.

[holy ghost]

Thrill of the find is better than the instant gratification of download anyway.

I will agree with this but it's 2018 and every asshat with an internet connection can rip out a discogs quote so the odds of a "classic find" are rapidly diminishing. I found a Klaus Schulze LP for $15.99 today and I was fucking thrilled. It was the coolest legit find I've made in a while.

Plus given the cost having the ability to sample is so helpful. I find coming across a classic these days that I know I like and I don't worry about shelling out $30 for an LP is about as good as it gets.

Here's another weird tidbit for y'all: why is discogs banning the sale of bootlegs? It's not like a second hand sale of a legit press is any different than a second hand sale of a bootleg. Like thanks discogs, where an I going to get them GISM boots now?

[Andrew McIntosh]

It is inexcusable that out of print releases be uploaded as mp3s. They should be ripped to wave files.

[PedestrianOrgans]

Just go .flac all the way all the time.

Anybody here have Dead Body Love stuff hiding around? Figured I'd ask, and I mean more in the sense of the thread, there's a couple I'm missing that I'll never find. Nabbed a couple of the CD reissues at least.