Neofolk

Started by XXX, July 01, 2018, 02:38:58 AM

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Boiledinblood

Quote from: burdizzo1 on June 22, 2023, 11:11:14 AM
I saw a copy of this for sale on reddit a year or two ago - for some mad amount of money. E250, or something - or perhaps it was even more.
I was lucky enough to get a copy before it was withdrawn, but sadly, don't really want to sell it.

Yeah I figured this would be the case for the most part but figured I'd see what was out there.

BlackCavendish

About "Neofolk", I'm writing an article on the subject and I was wondering if someone recalls when the definition came out.
In the beginning all this stuff was called "apocalyptic folk", then "neofolk" started to spread and it became term-umbrella for all the movement.

In the first chapter of "Looking for Europe", there's an interview with Dirk Hoffmann from Zillo. The interviewer asks: "The term neofolk first appeared at the beginning of the 90's in the magazine Zillo. Was it invented by a Zillo editor/writer or taken from another source?"
Hoffmann says no, they did not invent the term, and it was probably already in use.

Beginning of the 90's seems a bit too earlier to me.
I tried going through some zines of those days and the term never came out (you had varios descriptions like dark folk, or things like that but never neofolk used to define a genre)
My first recall is around the end of of the 90's when bands like Orplid started to release music...

Fields

Quote from: BlackCavendish on July 14, 2023, 01:32:20 PM
About "Neofolk", I'm writing an article on the subject and I was wondering if someone recalls when the definition came out.

I recall Douglas P saying in an interview that he first came across the term in some record store, but I can't remember which interview or era that would be, but I'll see if I can dig it up. I would not think it was coined before "But What Ends..."

tiny_tove

Quote from: BlackCavendish on July 14, 2023, 01:32:20 PM


In the first chapter of "Looking for Europe", there's an interview with Dirk Hoffmann from Zillo. The interviewer asks: "The term neofolk first appeared at the beginning of the 90's in the magazine Zillo. Was it invented by a Zillo editor/writer or taken from another source?"
Hoffmann says no, they did not invent the term, and it was probably already in use.


can't remember who, but yes I think it was coined with apocalyptic folk back in the UK in the early 90s although it became more prominent slightly later
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burdizzo1

Quote from: tiny_tove on July 15, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
Quote from: BlackCavendish on July 14, 2023, 01:32:20 PM


In the first chapter of "Looking for Europe", there's an interview with Dirk Hoffmann from Zillo. The interviewer asks: "The term neofolk first appeared at the beginning of the 90's in the magazine Zillo. Was it invented by a Zillo editor/writer or taken from another source?"
Hoffmann says no, they did not invent the term, and it was probably already in use.


can't remember who, but yes I think it was coined with apocalyptic folk back in the UK in the early 90s although it became more prominent slightly later

And Tibet himself - again in the early '90s - described C93 as the "great clearing-house for industrial folk".

cantle

If you can get access to the old yahoo groups archive there was once a very active Neo Folf one that I'm pretty sure would have the answer in....

tiny_tove

Quote from: burdizzo1 on July 16, 2023, 12:00:39 AM
Quote from: tiny_tove on July 15, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
Quote from: BlackCavendish on July 14, 2023, 01:32:20 PM


In the first chapter of "Looking for Europe", there's an interview with Dirk Hoffmann from Zillo. The interviewer asks: "The term neofolk first appeared at the beginning of the 90's in the magazine Zillo. Was it invented by a Zillo editor/writer or taken from another source?"
Hoffmann says no, they did not invent the term, and it was probably already in use.


can't remember who, but yes I think it was coined with apocalyptic folk back in the UK in the early 90s although it became more prominent slightly later



And Tibet himself - again in the early '90s - described C93 as the "great clearing-house for industrial folk".

slightly off topic, and won't answer the question, but I would like to share sonething about Italy. we used "folk apocalittico" instead of neofolk until the early 2000s. Journalist Aldo Chimenti (who wrote the massive DIJ Bio published by tsunami) was the biggest fan of the genre and wrote extensively on that on magazine Rockerilla. As of 2000 when concerts became regular and the genre got trendy, it shifted to neofolk (also because it sounded shorter and in Italian less ridicolous).

It became an umbrella term to put together everything from acoustic to martial to neoclassical to reinassance inspired (camerata mediolanense) and to unique projects like Ain Soph, Novy Svet and Ianva who definitely don't have much to do with the original standard. It was so more a term for an environment with some common aesthetic than a music description.

When traditional-folk inspired projects like Sturmpercht. Knotwork, Sangre Cavallum, Arnica started popping up, Max from Occidental Congress coined the UR-Folk tag which definitely suits the subgenre.
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Dark folk duo Aune Mire may be of interest. Both members, Anthony Amelang (eponymous artist and member of Controlled Opposition), and Miles McClain (Shit God, member of Watershed Group) are from the noise world. Here is a single in advance of an upcoming full-length album.

https://aune-mire.bandcamp.com/track/charm-for-drawing-out-poison

FreakAnimalFinland

Seeing some of the good stuff within last couple of weeks.
Private show where Kaarna performed more cultural themed martial industrial set of his. Musically more into martial sound, but visually and with the sung vocals very much neofolk vibes. Then Kaarna and others playing cover song set including Sol Invictus, Coil and more.
Same gig Grunt played a bit unusual finnish language set, with less in-your-face approach.

Last saturday, Pyhä Kuolema did surprise gig at Apocalyptic Rites, being last minute replacement for Morrigan. Set was not like Pyhä Kuolema band gigs have recently been, but again more of his older man with guitar approach. However, it was also special. Starting with nothing but vocals and drum beat, local regional anthem performed. Then moving into his own songs, old, new, delicate guitar picking or louder neofolk chords. There was excellent song where he made entire crowd perform vocal tones that was used as basis of the track. Like performing neofolk song with audience chanting and howling simple couple tones shifting slowly, while he started to build track over that. Never seen nor taken part of such thing in gigs like these.
Set ended with massive special version of new songs that leans heavily into industrial sound. All four current members were present, with doing some commanding backing shouts and martial drumming. Excellent and totally beyond of the generic neofolk routines we tend to hear from people who simply "replicate" the most obvious neofolk things. Entire gig absolutely amazing.
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BlackCavendish

If I had to pick up a name to explain what neofolk is in 2023 Pyhä Kuolema would definitely be the one.
Solid discography, always in progression, artistically very personal and with the right attitude.

xdementia

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on July 24, 2021, 10:00:47 AMLoooooong awaited album by Pyhä Kuolema was released on vinyl. Very small edition, and therefore also price unusually high. It is unusual, but also very much (neo-)folk. There are some futurist synth elements, experimental moments, percussive elements, but mostly its vocals + guitar type of stuff. Finnish lyrics are highly advanced in writing, but for people who do not know language, there is no way really to translate the atmosphere. They can also listen the atmosphere of music.

Some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz9AfwPfJno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIVlUx-8ooQ

I guess full album is also in spotify/bandcamp etc.



BandCamp link? Seems both those videos are dead and the only search result on BC is some kind of podcast

xdementia

New video for a track from our upcoming album Victory & Defeat

https://youtu.be/QnkxXOvbJ0s?si=RmWckSe4Wbm4lOnx

Fields

Quote from: xdementia on October 19, 2023, 08:40:38 PMBandCamp link? Seems both those videos are dead and the only search result on BC is some kind of podcast

Not on Bandcamp currently, here's a working Youtube playlist plus it's on Spotify and Apple Music iirc if that's your thing.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nB8yc98HoZ-AHxL-1lf-h4_5wV7h8yZKM

xdementia

Just released a new tape from my neofolk project

https://headstonebrigade.bandcamp.com/album/dark-shadows-in-bright-light

Two EPs on one cassette! Side A features "Dark Shadows in Bright Light" and Side B features "Divine Vestiges". Both EPs are Headstone Brigade's covers, re-interpretations, and devotionals. Limited to 100 copies and released by Weregnome Records.