I just typed "CUNTEXPLOSION!" in another thread, and I thought "God, what will the women of SI think?"
Then I thought "Are women here?"
And...what about Women In Noise?
I have a confession to make: Off the top of my head, I can't name any right now.
You will no doubt supply a vast list, and I will kick myself in the balls (I'm male) and ask for forgiveness.
(Actually, I know a few Women in Japanese noise bands. But solo? I'm having a brain block.)
Is Noise a mostly male gig? Why?
I hope we hear from the ladies, but perhaps that is a "doxing" that nobody wants?
And in this day and age, some might respond "What does it matter? He/she/they..."
There have been some mentions of it here before: https://soundcloud.com/womenofnoise
Can't vouch for their presence on this forum, but a number of women I can think of currently active in noise/industrial include: The Nausea, Ana Fosca, Puce Mary, Himukalt, Rusalka as well as the long-standing AntiChildLeague. I'm sure I will kick myself later with forgetting others not at front of mind.
Mass Marriage and Military Position too.
There are quite a few, probably fewer on harsh noise side but definitely in PE space. To throw couple more names into the mix: Mouth Wound, Parasite Nurse, Spiteful Womb.
A more interesting question is - is it different from male noise/PE? Thematically the answer is a pretty simple Yes, women-led projects tend to be (almost) exclusively introspective while male acts are more likely to focus on good old PE topics of politics/culture, true crime and perversion.
Sonically though, if you listen with your eyes closed, would you spot a difference?
In Italy there's Alessandra Zerbinati.
Much more a performer artist than a recording artist.
I think she has probably a vinyl and a couple of tapes out in ten or more years that i know her.
But live she's pretty good.
Not naming the ones mentioned already (and trying not to misgender as well..) but on the top of my head : Evicshen, Kastrata, Imminent Death, Smr.Tni, Leah P, Alice Kemp, Pain Chain, Skin, ...
Pharmakon's a pretty prominent one.
Junko
Mayuko Hino
Tara Connelly
Anjilla (Moonbeam Terror)
16 Bitch Pile-Up (not sure if still active, but anyway, one of my favorite project names of all time)
Quite a few women collaborated with Ramirez/BLJ over the years.
Opulent Adversary, Stroker. Can't forget Silent Abuse!
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 25, 2025, 04:10:45 AMThere have been some mentions of it here before: https://soundcloud.com/womenofnoise
It has made me promise myself I will not comment this anymore, but nevertheless, if we are talking about WOMEN and NOISE, this podcast is curious example how terms can be used while big part of episodes have neither one present. Like the latest episode I tried to listen to. 4 dudes talking about what animals they identify with. Fine with me, but I'd hope there would be women of noise dedicated to women of noise. In this podcast, is pretty much Pharmakon and Rusalka that stand out. Many have nothing to do with "noise".
Pretty much every relevant female artist who I know, are not very comfortable to be filed under tag "female artist", as they tend to feel they are just... artists like all the rest. Many feel like they are annoyed if people listen to their work merely because sort of political or fetishistic vibe, instead of merely appreciating their work on same standard as art in general. Like think of all recent Antichildleague, Puce Mary and so on. One can acknowledge their gender for sure, but if listed among things where achievements and quality is secondary and gender is raised as most crucial thing, I doubt they'd be very happy to be such tokens...
Opulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Quote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals? Or am I misremembering?
Evicshen is an interesting artist. I think her name is Victoria if my memory serves correctly. She seems to have a unique appreciation for "sound" as a whole. I don't know if she's still active or not, but I thought her material was pretty decent. I picked up that Military Postition tape box from ASRAR a little while back, but haven't sat down to give it a proper listen yet.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on June 26, 2025, 04:28:23 AMEvicshen is an interesting artist. I think her name is Victoria if my memory serves correctly. She seems to have a unique appreciation for "sound" as a whole. I don't know if she's still active or not, but I thought her material was pretty decent.
Correct (her name is Victoria Shen... geddit?), and yes she's very much still active - saw her play last year on her UK tour and she was excellent! People might find it interesting to note she was involved with Jessica Rylan's boutique synth company Flower Electronics from around 2009: https://flowerelectronics.com/About.html
I think a more interesting question could be- What are the noise-consumption habits of women?
We all know there are many women making noise, but how many, even of those who perform noise are actually buying this stuff? Sure they may get gifts, or pick something up very occasionally. I think in 15 years of noise I could count on one hand total female customers.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AMQuote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals? Or am I misremembering?
Was predominantly male vocals.
Quote from: ritualabuser on June 27, 2025, 03:49:40 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AMQuote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals? Or am I misremembering?
Was predominantly male vocals.
Sounds like I need to listen to it again as a refresher. Very great material!
Quote from: Strangecross on June 27, 2025, 12:36:37 AMI think a more interesting question could be- What are the noise-consumption habits of women?
We all know there are many women making noise, but how many, even of those who perform noise are actually buying this stuff? Sure they may get gifts, or pick something up very occasionally. I think in 15 years of noise I could count on one hand total female customers.
Good point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?
If you were female (real) there are reasons to hide it on online forums. I know women are active in other noise-related online communities.
I doubt forums are somehow worst thing out there for females.
There is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?", which sounded funny as hell when they were talking about it. Interviewer is telling how men come to criticize her live gear and recommending better synths. Hah.
While it is funny, I guess there is pretty frequent discussion how one should treat all sort of socially awkward, perhaps somehow "neurologally challenged" folks and even if it may get old pretty quick for females to get sort of autistic gear dudes (and such) approaching them, one would think that it may be clear most probably don't have malicious intent and one can cope with such situation exactly same ways as men do.
Most of my life, I knew "underground culture women". Very rarely I interact with so called normal folks. This may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art. Most often it appears to be men, who see women as some sort of damsel in distress, while I almost exclusivesily seen women who can handle pretty much same things as men.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMI doubt forums are somehow worst thing out there for females.
There is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?", which sounded funny as hell when they were talking about it. Interviewer is telling how men come to criticize her live gear and recommending better synths. Hah.
While it is funny, I guess there is pretty frequent discussion how one should treat all sort of socially awkward, perhaps somehow "neurologally challenged" folks and even if it may get old pretty quick for females to get sort of autistic gear dudes (and such) approaching them, one would think that it may be clear most probably don't have malicious intent and one can cope with such situation exactly same ways as men do.
Most of my life, I knew "underground culture women". Very rarely I interact with so called normal folks. This may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art. Most often it appears to be men, who see women as some sort of damsel in distress, while I almost exclusivesily seen women who can handle pretty much same things as men.
I like this post.
I like it a lot.
Some other:
niku daruma &
burnt feathers
Nika (aka Zola Jesus)
Maria Zerfall (RIP!)
She Spread Sorrow
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMThere is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?"
I'm guessing a letter is missing here, but the thought of Mikko sliding into the DMs gave me a chuckle. Unsolicited synth picks.
Extreme and marginal musical scenes tend to be male dominated. Seems to be a fact everywhere, at any era. Don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but it is a thing.
That said, I honestly don't think women would face any special difficulty as performers or audience members in this country, at least. If I'm wrong, by all means let me know. I always start tuning out immediately when an artist makes some attribute they were born with the focus of their art or their existence. The abovementioned ACL is a great artist and (having had the privilege of meeting her and having a chat) a cool person who'd probably think that the last thing she wants, is to be seen as a "female artist".
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMThis may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art.
Each to their own ofc, but honestly there are a lot of women out there into some really dark and sick shit, that makes my own skin crawl. In terms of film, whatever. Why would noise be any different.
While most women I know wouldn't be upset by noise song titles and art, the common noise themes tend to be less interesting to women than men, so less women explore the genre than men. A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
I'm old enough to remember when Rock was male dominated. Now women are everywhere in the genre.
Perhaps Noise is going to gradually follow suit.
I've seen a few comments in this thread that I classify as "assumptions". I'm guilty of it in my OP!!
Many of the better-known contemporary noise and power electronics artists are female: Puce Mary, Himukalt, Pharmakon, Rusalka, etc. Publications closer to the mainstream often promote artists because they're female, and a big part of their readership likes to mention femininity as the major element of their music, so there's some disproportionate representation of female artists among artists better-known to people who aren't very familiar with the genres. This is not to suggest that they're getting undue recognition—many of them make great noise.
Quote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
As opposed to saying "they must just get off on it"?
Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
No. The phrasing is a bit unusual but it's a similar reaction to what Balor said.
Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AMQuote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Opulent Adversary for sure, great project.
Spiteful Womb. Prior. ACL. Niku Daruma. Ritual Chair. Lucifer Sky.
Quote from: Commander15 on June 29, 2025, 02:14:36 PMQuote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.
Maybe. I think she was talking about the tendency to enjoy media about violence and shocking things.
That kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.
Quote from: Moran on June 29, 2025, 09:18:45 PMQuote from: Commander15 on June 29, 2025, 02:14:36 PMQuote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.
Maybe. I think she was talking about the tendency to enjoy media about violence and shocking things.
Yeah, is not noise mostly about inhabiting the wound of the world/existence? Even when the themes are seemingly bright or joyful in absurdity. Presenting, reminiscing or recreacting violent, absurd or shock states is exactly like inhabiting the Wound and thus also trauma... of existence if nothing more specific.
From a metaphysical and psychological point of view it is interesting how men quite often initially come to noise from the state of sexual isolation of somekind, or isolation from the more lofty aspects of sexuality, and thus they express the wounded state through corresponding imagery: female genitalia, gaping holes, different types of bodily and mental wounds, onwards to wider abstraction, lack of the soft... PE in turn is like trying to incarnate the phallos in this state. Look at the red faced and stiffly electrified men of Whitehouse. They are like lightning bolts. Yet because they express the distorted and inflamed states of the world, these lighting bolts are red, or even black, inhabiting the most coarse areas of the wound, thus it's about trauma. You know, trauma can be seen as something that drags the living spirit in to such a halt that the coarse material existence subjucated to time has to exist. This creates the whole area of the vulva as some sort of a wound from where the coarse forms of existence is given birth to... in a crisis of flawed existence.
Floating back down to the topic, I wonder if the male dominance in the amount of noise projects comes back to the characteristic male need to present and wield the phallos. Like the act of controlling feedback with a plate of metal. Almost one to one experience to slightly bending one's own erected cock in a fist.
Quote from: Penon on June 25, 2025, 09:24:47 AMA more interesting question is - is it different from male noise/PE? Thematically the answer is a pretty simple Yes, women-led projects tend to be (almost) exclusively introspective
Continuing on the phallos-vulva metaphysics, the ideal feminine surrounding the male part dictates the feminine expression. I think the above comment nailed how it tends to actualize: The feminine inspects the surroundings. Women can be as obsessed with trauma as men, but it might be more common for them to inspect and express the surrounding wound, almost as if taking a third perspective to it, while the Whitehouse guys remain stiff and red in the wound.
All artists have different approaches, for sure, and they express different aspects of these things. Despite one's sex, different roles are taken and expressed. Yet archetypal notions can help not merely to generalize, but to consciously realize the roles we take in different areas of creative expression, and perhaps find new interesting angles to them. Not just in creative endeavours but also interpreting art and the inner worlds.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 29, 2025, 11:48:42 PMFrom a metaphysical and psychological point of view it is interesting how men quite often initially come to noise from the state of sexual isolation of somekind, or isolation from the more lofty aspects of sexuality, and thus they express the wounded state through corresponding imagery: female genitalia, gaping holes, different types of bodily and mental wounds, onwards to wider abstraction, lack of the soft... PE in turn is like trying to incarnate the phallos in this state. Look at the red faced and stiffly electrified men of Whitehouse. They are like lightning bolts. Yet because they express the distorted and inflamed states of the world, these lighting bolts are red, or even black, inhabiting the most coarse areas of the wound, thus it's about trauma. You know, trauma can be seen as something that drags the living spirit in to such a halt that the coarse material existence subjucated to time has to exist. This creates the whole area of the vulva as some sort of a wound from where the coarse forms of existence is given birth to... in a crisis of flawed existence.
That's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels. My sample is subjective, ofc, but it is not small, and in my experience this isn't the case.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 29, 2025, 11:48:42 PMFloating back down to the topic, I wonder if the male dominance in the amount of noise projects comes back to the characteristic male need to present and wield the phallos.
Lack of women in noise is caused by the male need to wield the phallos. Well, okay. It's a hypothesis, a starting point. Carry on.
This is becoming awfully Lacanian.
****Makes popcorn****
I saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!
Quote from: BatteredStatesofEuphoria on June 30, 2025, 02:36:44 AMI saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!
I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not!? 😂
Tornipuhuri has an interesting theory, above. Part of me wants to respond with: "Dude. I just like the sounds."
I've said this somewhere on the forum: Many people think we are a bunch of freaks and geeks for liking Noise etc. But 90% of the people I have met in Noise are kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and happy. Noisemaker interviews exhibit the same qualities. (Even the Whitehouse guys!) I think we just think outside the box. That's all, really. We don't want to be constrained by norms of song / sound.
Psychology is a plague. I m tired of people thinking they can and should analyze everything. And they all come with the same explanations about everything.
You can erase all the psychology from my comment and most of it still stands. It's just metaphysics. And "just liking the sound" is lazy. Everything has a reason. It might not be about plain sexual isolation, but if you interpret sexuality as a more symbolic thing you might get what I'm saying. Again, it can be applied to psychology, but its not limited to it.
Quote from: Atrophist on June 30, 2025, 12:36:24 AMThat's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels.
How did you find the alternative I offered, of being isolates from more lofty aspects of sexuality? I'm speaking about romanticism onwards to other more fine planes of existence and dealings with the opposite polarity (not necessarily sexual in a coarse sense). If noise dudes are not incels, the expression surely is an act of isolating these finer elements until we arrive at the rawness of being isolated from the feminine (or masculine) until we stand at the coarse area of nihilism. No?
Quote from: Minus1 on June 30, 2025, 02:58:59 AMQuote from: BatteredStatesofEuphoria on June 30, 2025, 02:36:44 AMI saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!
I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not!? 😂
Tornipuhuri has an interesting theory, above. Part of me wants to respond with: "Dude. I just like the sounds."
I've said this somewhere on the forum: Many people think we are a bunch of freaks and geeks for liking Noise etc. But 90% of the people I have met in Noise are kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and happy. Noisemaker interviews exhibit the same qualities. (Even the Whitehouse guys!) I think we just think outside the box. That's all, really. We don't want to be constrained by norms of song / sound.
Re Premature Ejaculation - this was a project of Rozz Williams, not a joke. Re 'Women in Noise', this topic comes around in our small universe more frequently than 'does marketing affect sales?' at an economists buffet. You can psychoanalize it and apply any theory you want - however my experience (and that to me is more important than theories) over 30 years around the noise 'scene', in various countries, tallies with yours and I could not have put it better myself.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 08:06:17 AMQuote from: Atrophist on June 30, 2025, 12:36:24 AMThat's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels.
How did you find the alternative I offered, of being isolates from more lofty aspects of sexuality? I'm speaking about romanticism onwards to other more fine planes of existence and dealings with the opposite polarity (not necessarily sexual in a coarse sense). If noise dudes are not incels, the expression surely is an act of isolating these finer elements until we arrive at the rawness of being isolated from the feminine (or masculine) until we stand at the coarse area of nihilism. No?
I think you're just using some AI "late 20thC art critic" generator for a laugh, and to see how long we fall for it. :)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 30, 2025, 11:05:00 AMQuote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:12:01 AMAnd "just liking the sound" is lazy.
So?
So dismissing the introspective side of things keeps noise isolated on a metaphysical level. I'm not saying this shouldn't be, just on observation of the artform and the room it seems to inhabit.
I'm not thinking the introspective thing is the be all end all factor of feminine creativity and presence in noise, but if we regard it a major factor, the general dismissiveness of these introspective notions on this discussion may give another perspective to the seemingly few female patricipants on this forum, amongst the already expressed notions.
Or... the dismissiveness might well be also because I presented the ideas too much like a kick on the nuts, which I did not mean to do. Judging by how people seem to think I'm total outsider to the genre and barking at the scene, I must say I'm rather making these notions partly on how I ended up to noise myself, and getting to know peoples' stories from different decades. I could say that no, it was not about isolation on my part, but rather I was following my individual path of things that interested me. It went from metal, to experimental music, industrial to noise. Plain and simple. But looking a bit under the surface, other sorts of interpretations open up. Not mere psychological ones.
Again, it seems I have to emphasise that I don't mean mere psychological interpretations by any of the things I've said. Thus the introspective thing doesn't need to be reduced to mere dull personal psychology, but rather through the example of sexual isolation a vaster sphere of isolation is perceived. Much likewise the "theories" I presented doesn't need to be seen as detached theories, but as observations that doesn't have to mutually exclude other notions.
Cool down dear noise fanatics.
"I love sounds just where they are, and I have no need for them to be anything more than what they are."
John Cage on silence, Sound and Music.
"No ideas, no change, no development, no entertainment, no remorse."
Vomir.
Anyway, we seem to be off topic.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:12:01 AMYou can erase all the psychology from my comment and most of it still stands. It's just metaphysics. And "just liking the sound" is lazy.
What? You realize that not all noise is about sex? It's one thing to say you like some random Bandcamp-only project with BDSM collage art "for the sounds," but there are plenty of non-thematic reasons to listen to Bizarre Uproar, for instance.
Quote from: Minus1 on June 30, 2025, 06:28:09 PM"I love sounds just where they are, and I have no need for them to be anything more than what they are."
John Cage on silence, Sound and Music.
Totally agree.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 30, 2025, 07:01:33 PMWhat? You realize that not all noise is about sex? It's one thing to say you like some random Bandcamp-only project with BDSM collage art "for the sounds," but there are plenty of non-thematic reasons to listen to Bizarre Uproar, for instance.
Last thing I will comment on this topic because there is no point to keep hitting one's head on to a brickwall. I said sexuality as a symbol. Whatever that might mean, go figure.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:38:06 PMWhatever that might mean, go figure.
Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 30, 2025, 07:01:33 PMYou realize that not all noise is about sex?
Ohshit. Really? I musta been doin it wrong.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on July 02, 2025, 05:45:04 PMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 30, 2025, 07:01:33 PMYou realize that not all noise is about sex?
Ohshit. Really? I musta been doin it wrong.
To be fair, what I said in no way prevents you (or anyone, really) from making noise only about sex. haha
Quote from: Theodore on June 30, 2025, 08:59:13 PMQuote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:38:06 PMWhatever that might mean, go figure.
Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.
keep this board pure. shame critical discussion - celebrate the promo.
Quote from: John Cagefight on July 02, 2025, 10:33:53 PMQuote from: Theodore on June 30, 2025, 08:59:13 PMQuote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:38:06 PMWhatever that might mean, go figure.
Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.
keep this board pure. shame critical discussion - celebrate the promo.
Hello John. What did you think about Tornipuhuri's theorems? Thanks in advance.
Relying too much on metaphors and conflating the properties of symbols with the properties of what's being symbolized usually leads to bad philosophy.
I doubt this question requires neither philosophical or psychoanalytical approach.
I have seen so many times "analysis" happening how for example Japanese noise vs western noise differs. Or almost without exception, when people talk how come there are so much bleak or raw underground music in Finland and someone drops the "there is no sunlight for half year.." -type of explanation, which is pretty lame actually. Sometimes theory appears to function as long as you don't ask people actually involved in it. Of course, one must admit that sometimes you indeed need the outside to point out something that is harder to see while being inside of something.
Questions of women in noise can be more enlightening to approach in form of listening and reading interviews of female noise artists plus at least over here, you can basically talk to women who buy noise, listen noise or go to gigs. I'd bet that a lot of folks rather identify as noise fanatics than representing gender. Latter of course clearly has effect, but I could assume I may have way more common ground with artist women than random male. What random males in this society are doing, is far more puzzling question, hah. Questions why so little of women being involved in ways men usually are, and how we could increase equality and such, are utterly unnecessary questions for me.
Quote from: Strangecross on June 27, 2025, 12:36:37 AMGood point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?
I don't know what happened in the last few pages of this thread but I just wanted to reply to this specifically.
Woman here. I "enjoy" listening to noise and PE while making art or anything that requires hours of creative focus. I wouldn't consider a noise show exactly a pinnacle of socializing and fun, but I guess that could also be subjective depending on who you ask!
Quote from: Wild Nature Acolyte on July 05, 2025, 08:06:29 AMQuote from: Strangecross on June 27, 2025, 12:36:37 AMGood point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?
I don't know what happened in the last few pages of this thread but I just wanted to reply to this specifically.
Woman here. I "enjoy" listening to noise and PE while making art or anything that requires hours of creative focus. I wouldn't consider a noise show exactly a pinnacle of socializing and fun, but I guess that could also be subjective depending on who you ask!
OMFG!!! A WOMAN!!!
(Irony.)
Yeah. Waaaay too many assumptions in this thread, including my own admittedly cringeworthy OP. ("OMG the ladies will be so offended.")
Kick my ass. Kick it hard.
Female here.
Been doing noise (mostly live)since 94, both in groups and solo. i have sporadically put out tapes, but have put out stuff fairly consistently since 2010.
i took long breaks due to playing in grindcore/black metal/death metal bands between 1994 and 2010.
my label MSDO has a lot of women artists. Farrah Faucet, Winter Rose, Side Wound, Chana Levannah, LURED, DTH DRV, NoAthlete, etc.
i'm a huge fan of Alessandra Zerbatini, Prayer Rope, Moonbeam Terror,AntiChildLeague,and Torschlusspanik amongst others.
i would say my label would be mostly known here due to the releases i have done for Black Leather Jesus and Caligula 031. expect records from Wertham/Psywarfare and The Rita by the end of the year.
Quote from: Theodore on June 27, 2025, 12:16:26 PMGood point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ?
I know several women who collect things (magazines, dolls, porcelain pieces, fashion items, etc etc.), and let's not forget that collecting music is becoming less common nowadays for both men and women. Since extreme genres are still predominantly male-dominated, most sales will naturally go to men.
On the other hand, I assume attendance numbers at shows are likely to be much more balanced.
@msdo:
Don't know much about your label and will make some research, but I really do like the Cheyne Stoecks – An Index Of Intersex Conditions tape on HgM!
SCRUBBER from Australia
Not noise/pe by any stretch but Johanna, the female half of Institut, did some pounding, rhythmic industrial back in the mid-noughties under the name Koeff. Really good stuff with a Maria Zerfall vibe. It was cool how she turned gender stereotypes on their head by using mic'ed up household appliances, washing machines etc in this traditionally so male dominated domain. I think pretty much all her recorded output along with some live clips are available on the Tube.
Quote from: Manhog_84 on June 29, 2025, 11:06:37 PMThat kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.
I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.
Quote from: Hyena on January 31, 2026, 10:55:12 PMQuote from: Manhog_84 on June 29, 2025, 11:06:37 PMThat kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.
I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.
I'd love to hear more about this!
My kneejerk reaction is "Wtf? But Vomir relaxes me and cleanses my brain." (Maybe that is not the same as "therapeutic"!?)
What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?
(I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative.)
Has anyone mentioned Gyna Bootleg yet? I actually really don't have to say anything on this project.... I was more familiar with a band of hers in first decade of 2000.
As hetero, I've found myself aroused at most noise shows. Take that as you will.
Quote from: anusenvy on February 01, 2026, 12:10:23 AMHas anyone mentioned Gyna Bootleg yet? I actually really don't have to say anything on this project.... I was more familiar with a band of hers in first decade of 2000.
As hetero, I've found myself aroused at most noise shows. Take that as you will.
I have been far from perfect in this thread. I made some dumb assumptions. (See the OP.) I never want to be that guy on the high horse.
But for me, your post is a perfect example of "objectification" over "artistry".
Yeah - I'm hetero too - attractive women are a thing!
But what is this thread about?
(Sheesh. I'm having some difficulties on Noise forums this week.)
Quote from: Minus1 on January 31, 2026, 11:31:58 PMWhat does creation/consumption of Art do for you?
for me, extreme music and noise has been therapeutic, and especially making it. i read an scientific (i think) article on someone with a TBI who loves extreme music, (so me, for the most part) mainly hardcore punk. i got a ton of "baggage" as therapists call it. I can turn my brain off and just vibe. my brain has devolved to loving the grooviest, most rhythmic stuff i can get my hands on. I turn to harsh noise when I want something more extreme and in your face than brutal death metal. also, the community is usually not half bad.
creating music really helps my mental health, which I try to focus on. there's something about honing your craft behind the scenes thats really appealing. what's not so appealing is the frustration of even playing my music live. then again, i live in a pretty isolated town.
Quote from: Minus1 on February 01, 2026, 03:35:33 AMBut for me, your post is a perfect example of "objectification" over "artistry".
this sounds like the catalyst for a nasty internet fight. i'm not gonna put my hat in the ring on this one. also sorry of my post sounds disjointed.
Yeah - I'm bracing myself. But I'll be cool. I'm sipping my whiskey, and doing The Von Einem Tapes. 😂
But I think my comments, in a roundabout way, get to a major facet here, regarding Women In Noise, in what is (I think, inarguably) a male dominated environment.
Do certain preconceptions and norms need to shift, for Noise to join Rock as an equal-sex Artform? I think so. This thread contains some problematic statements (including some by me)!
Quote from: groesk on February 01, 2026, 04:01:12 AMQuote from: Minus1 on January 31, 2026, 11:31:58 PMWhat does creation/consumption of Art do for you?
for me, extreme music and noise has been therapeutic, and especially making it. i read an scientific (i think) article on someone with a TBI who loves extreme music, (so me, for the most part) mainly hardcore punk. i got a ton of "baggage" as therapists call it. I can turn my brain off and just vibe. my brain has devolved to loving the grooviest, most rhythmic stuff i can get my hands on. I turn to harsh noise when I want something more extreme and in your face than brutal death metal. also, the community is usually not half bad.
creating music really helps my mental health, which I try to focus on. there's something about honing your craft behind the scenes thats really appealing. what's not so appealing is the frustration of even playing my music live. then again, i live in a pretty isolated town.
And thank you for this.
Maybe the word "therapeutic" conjures up images of New Age music and herbal teas, or other such things that are anathema to Noise. 😂
I mean...what other words can we use for the enjoyment of Noise, if not "therapeutic"?
(Edit: Fuck! Anathema. Is there a band / artist called that? I'm still looking for my name!)
Quote from: Minus1 on February 01, 2026, 04:08:42 AMa male dominated environment.
honestly for someone who listens to male dominated music i love it when women break the mold. i've heard BDM be described as "made by men for men", and with all of the edgy misogynistic themes i can see the stigma. that being said i only wish Stabbing the best, even if they don't wow me.
but for noise, there's not much stigma other than weird nerds that tend to be male that make it for each other. while Sukeban seems to be an independent female artist, i listen to the music and i think it's actually Matt Stephens in disguise. he has distinct hallmarks that echo in his many projects.
I recent Joensuu show, I talked with couple ladies asking am I seeing wrong, but isn't audience like.. half women? Maybe not mathematically exactly, but close enough to give this impression. It wasn't about girlfriends showing up kind of thing (which is cool too), but everybody actually watching ALL the shows, that consisted pretty much harsh noise.
Evening included one female artist, Nikama. She doesn't have any physical releases. Gigs have been hit & miss, but this particular gig was great!
Week before there was in Helsinki not only Nikama, but female noise artists THE GLORIA. There are plenty of women in the audience.
So, this message replying "women in noise?" - Even if there always is women at shows, at these recent gigs, it seemed as if there was even more than before. Plus every gig having female artists too.
Sorry .. it's not ok to be aroused or talk about it.
Anyways, I was just suddenly reminded of Masturbatory Dysfunction and how she had no pictures of herself performing or otherwise with her face showing but otherwise she posted very erotic photos. Through conversation I learned this was on purpose. Always fascinated me for some reason.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 01, 2026, 09:45:25 AMI recent Joensuu show, I talked with couple ladies asking am I seeing wrong, but isn't audience like.. half women? Maybe not mathematically exactly, but close enough to give this impression. It wasn't about girlfriends showing up kind of thing (which is cool too), but everybody actually watching ALL the shows, that consisted pretty much harsh noise.
Evening included one female artist, Nikama. She doesn't have any physical releases. Gigs have been hit & miss, but this particular gig was great!
Week before there was in Helsinki not only Nikama, but female noise artists THE GLORIA. There are plenty of women in the audience.
So, this message replying "women in noise?" - Even if there always is women at shows, at these recent gigs, it seemed as if there was even more than before. Plus every gig having female artists too.
Thanks. Admittedly I'm not...er...getting out much. 😂 (ie Going to Noise Shows). I made assumptions about this (and about the makeup of this forum.) I'm glad to be wrong.
Quote from: Hyena on January 31, 2026, 10:55:12 PMI inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.
This seems like an attitude that's going to pretty much dismiss most art, noise or otherwise. Art as catharsis is as old as art itself. Plenty of art is borne out of the artist's pain or trauma and their desire to find some kind of closure or meaning out of it, and plenty of people have used consumed art to help them cope with the vagaries of life.
Now if that's the ONLY thing someone gets out or art, if they're using it as a crutch, then I can understand seeing that with disdain. But art as a way to deal with pain is as authentic and valid as anything else.
Quote from: BatteredStatesofEuphoria on February 01, 2026, 07:13:34 PMThis seems like an attitude that's going to pretty much dismiss most art, noise or otherwise. Art as catharsis is as old as art itself. Plenty of art is borne out of the artist's pain or trauma and their desire to find some kind of closure or meaning out of it, and plenty of people have used consumed art to help them cope with the vagaries of life.
yeah, i was thinking about that. I think the woman who talked about PE like that only meant it as a means to an end and nothing more. but yeah the post you're referring to just seems ignorant and close minded. unless there's some hidden meaning that he would like to elaborate on.
Quote from: Minus1 on February 01, 2026, 04:14:10 PMThanks. Admittedly I'm not...er...getting out much. 😂 (ie Going to Noise Shows). I made assumptions about this (and about the makeup of this forum.) I'm glad to be wrong.
to be fair noise shows are pretty hard to even know about unless you're in some circle. i would love to go to some but i'm pretty sure i'm the only noise enjoyer in my town.
Here is the video collection of Helsinki show I mentioned, including couple female artists:
https://youtu.be/6SZGp56nq6Y?si=PELzbiMXYb-k_gvX
It was fun for a minute there on social media to be able to reach more people directly/find more shows locally. Conceivably giving people the ability to find something they might not have otherwise without social media. Then, social media caved like all business & obscurity is easier to be obscure again. However, I did not anticipate these new algorithms + AI generated auto responses....people like Torturing Nurse + Ryosuke Kiyasu get higher views/higher engagement but is 95% jokes about Yoko Ono with rest being general Wurm psychology. Hopefully both are selling more tapes + more digital purchases. Misunderstanding + attacks/jokes frequently indicate person actually IS curious/interested. Ask the gay/trans community about this.
Also, if someone has gotten to the point that they are currently immersed in a subculture to point of frequent and deep investigation, one can usually follow a trail to some sort of show information. May not be as frequently occurring as open mic night. However for me geographically, I've always been spoiled so to say to always have things available 1 hour or less from home. 2 or 3 hours if the artists on it are more recognized i.e. needing to go to NYC or small town in VT near Canadian border. I think this also shapes my perspective of characters in scene for obvious reasons i.e. Hot Topic absolutist liberals, lots of veteran performers/fans, places centered around academia, more 'record stores' than potentially necessary, etc. As opposed to how I perceive some other parts of US (or otherwise) where it is 3+ hour trip to anything worthwhile.
I also admittedly probably may not have found 'noise world' had I not tried to perform myself from the get-go.
It's too bad because even most seasoned fans may not look very deep into the subject, either through ignorance or satisfaction with the amount of information they receive through mainstream outlets. Maybe some people could radically overcome their fears of SI/FAR somehow converting them accidentally or purposely to something they don't currently believe in. Then they may find a forum such as this as viable tool rather than some moral or ethical quandary.
In fact, you may be surprised what you find if you submit to nuance and have "open mind".
Anyways...
I'm ok with admitting that at one point I truly believed Pharmakon was one of the only women in noise. Ah but how times have changed. Perhaps that does say something about accessibility to information. Or maybe too many people have drifted away from search engines + stuff like that.
In defense of the thoughts I was having during my first reply to the thread, I do believe some people want to be objectified and I am fine with silently validating that. I also think it is kind of knee jerk response to claim objectification anyway. Do I objectify someone because I recognize their gender and have normal response to that? Or is it objectification because I say so like Butthead?
Me personally I'm interested in learning more about Gabi Losoncy who I believe is in partnership with Sam McKinlay. Am I [truly] going crazy or has Gabi performed on a release? Or is it just quotes and art? I was not really enjoying her book but am actually interested in trying to read it again. Any information you might share about her here would be appreciated. I particularly enjoyed her art on this release:
(https://i.discogs.com/3z_UJTMRPr4TXGDoIjI8BDZy73KX8SkFNAlikoUErZE/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:599/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE5NzIy/Mzg4LTE2Mjc5NzMz/MzgtODU4My5qcGVn.jpeg)
Anyways...
To revise and sum everything up: I've seen women around noise scene and many of them.
It seems odd that this topic of "women in noise" keeps resurfacing without really leading anywhere. I don't really see what the aim is. People asking for artist recommendations get them, but are they actually being listened to? Do people actually want to hear noise made by women for some specific purpose, or do they just want to point a finger at a flaw they've once again spotted, and are more interested in this supposed lack of women rather than the women's actual active participation in the genre/scene? Is there an assumption that noise should somehow change and adapt to attract more women?
Instead of talking about women of noise as some abstract concept, I'd rather welcome people talking about specific artists, label owners, zine makers etc. and spread the word about them. Write reviews or comments and say why this specific artist/project is worth of interest besides being a woman. There should not be a shortage of where to start from, and some have already been mentioned in this topic and others on the forum. Genre greats, interesting newcomers, local obscurities...
Puce Mary and Pharmakon are talked about for sure, and are appreciated well beyond the core noise audience. Himukalt as well, I think? Her works were just recently brought up in the canon of noise/PE topic. Cosey Fanni Tutti has been discussed regarding her memoirs, and of course Throbbing Gristle has not been forgotten.
Sarah Froelich's contributions to Consumer Electronics have been discussed here I think, not sure about her work with Ramleh. I'm not familiar enough with either to comment.
Anenzephalia's later live gigs with a female member have been positively commented here, both in sound and live presence/intensity. I think she hasn't featured on any releases yet though? I might be wrong. Live clips and longer gig reports have been made by SI.
AntiChildLeague has lately been talked about regarding her gigs in Finland, and I recall some people praised the quality of the latter tapes quite recently too. I am way too unfamiliar with the project, but Big Fat Arse 7" is an excellent noise EP. Two hard-hitting songs and the approach seems very personal. The artist Gaya Donadio has been interviewed by WCN Podcast about her gig organizing.
Young projects Bootycall, Nikama and The Gloria haven't really made physical releases yet, Bootycall has just one small edition tape out I think. Still, their Finnish gigs have been discussed here (and documented by Special Interests' live report videos) and Nikama's debut tape remains anticipated by many.
Prior to her solo works, Nikama was a part of Junta for a couple of years. Project is now defunct, but just recently published live tape on Sudden Movements might be one of the project's most hard-hitting releases. It's of course not the most experimental nor playful one of theirs due to being a live recording, but recommended to those who appreciate strong live harsh noise.
Junko of Hijokaidan. Her solo album Silent Beauty is certainly a strong noise album of straight-up vocal torment, not for the weak! I greatly enjoyed her collab album with Demonologists too: clean horror electronics and partially effected and completely unhinged screaming. A challenging album with plenty of personality.
And tangentially related: Yoshimi of Boredoms, and Kae Takahashi of noisecore band Sete Star Sept and her solo noisecore unit Anti Itch Cream.
Silent Abuse is no longer active, but her solo and collab 7" have been appreciated, and of course her vocal work with Bizarre Uproar (and Kärsimysnäytelmä!) rightly remains a subject of praise.
Rusalka, now going by her own name Kate Rissiek. Appreciated, but not that talked about here at least I think? Base Waters CD (as Rusalka) is a personal favorite. Harsh and immersive noise, a solid album that has kept me hooked for plenty of spins. As Kate Rissiek, I've got her LP on Buried In Slag And Debris. While it's more versatile and cuts deeper soundwise, it has remained a little more distant for me. Both albums are visually very pleasing. I think the artist had a collage book out as well that was mentioned here, or am I mixing up names?
Jessica Rylan / Can't, subject of Special Interests' video documentary last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeu9Yeh8rrs
Kate DeVoe's Noise Widow fanzine has been brought up by WCN Podcast and in the noise zine topic here. And as of zines, Untitled Zine and Rocker have brought up female makers as both subjects and makers of interviews. Rose Actor-Engel of widely appreciated No Rent Records has been interviewed by WCN Podcast as well. The Rita-collaborator Lorelei was interviewed in the first issue of Hardcore Country And Western.
It feels like I'm forgetting some essential ones, but then again this is just a quickly written list and not some attempt at a complete glossary set in stone.
Quote from: DBL on February 01, 2026, 11:36:54 PMIt seems odd that this topic of "women in noise" keeps resurfacing without really leading anywhere. I don't really see what the aim is. People asking for artist recommendations get them, but are they actually being listened to? Do people actually want to hear noise made by women for some specific purpose, or do they just want to point a finger at a flaw they've once again spotted, and are more interested in this supposed lack of women rather than the women's actual active participation in the genre/scene? Is there an assumption that noise should somehow change and adapt to attract more women?
Instead of talking about women of noise as some abstract concept, I'd rather welcome people talking about specific artists, label owners, zine makers etc. and spread the word about them. Write reviews or comments and say why this specific artist/project is worth of interest besides being a woman. There should not be a shortage of where to start from, and some have already been mentioned in this topic and others on the forum. Genre greats, interesting newcomers, local obscurities...
Puce Mary and Pharmakon are talked about for sure, and are appreciated well beyond the core noise audience. Himukalt as well, I think? Her works were just recently brought up in the canon of noise/PE topic. Cosey Fanni Tutti has been discussed regarding her memoirs, and of course Throbbing Gristle has not been forgotten.
Sarah Froelich's contributions to Consumer Electronics have been discussed here I think, not sure about her work with Ramleh. I'm not familiar enough with either to comment.
Anenzephalia's later live gigs with a female member have been positively commented here, both in sound and live presence/intensity. I think she hasn't featured on any releases yet though? I might be wrong. Live clips and longer gig reports have been made by SI.
AntiChildLeague has lately been talked about regarding her gigs in Finland, and I recall some people praised the quality of the latter tapes quite recently too. I am way too unfamiliar with the project, but Big Fat Arse 7" is an excellent noise EP. Two hard-hitting songs and the approach seems very personal. The artist Gaya Donadio has been interviewed by WCN Podcast about her gig organizing.
Young projects Bootycall, Nikama and The Gloria haven't really made physical releases yet, Bootycall has just one small edition tape out I think. Still, their Finnish gigs have been discussed here (and documented by Special Interests' live report videos) and Nikama's debut tape remains anticipated by many.
Prior to her solo works, Nikama was a part of Junta for a couple of years. Project is now defunct, but just recently published live tape on Sudden Movements might be one of the project's most hard-hitting releases. It's of course not the most experimental nor playful one of theirs due to being a live recording, but recommended to those who appreciate strong live harsh noise.
Junko of Hijokaidan. Her solo album Silent Beauty is certainly a strong noise album of straight-up vocal torment, not for the weak! I greatly enjoyed her collab album with Demonologists too: clean horror electronics and partially effected and completely unhinged screaming. A challenging album with plenty of personality.
And tangentially related: Yoshimi of Boredoms, and Kae Takahashi of noisecore band Sete Star Sept and her solo noisecore unit Anti Itch Cream.
Silent Abuse is no longer active, but her solo and collab 7" have been appreciated, and of course her vocal work with Bizarre Uproar (and Kärsimysnäytelmä!) rightly remains a subject of praise.
Rusalka, now going by her own name Kate Rissiek. Appreciated, but not that talked about here at least I think? Base Waters CD (as Rusalka) is a personal favorite. Harsh and immersive noise, a solid album that has kept me hooked for plenty of spins. As Kate Rissiek, I've got her LP on Buried In Slag And Debris. While it's more versatile and cuts deeper soundwise, it has remained a little more distant for me. Both albums are visually very pleasing. I think the artist had a collage book out as well that was mentioned here, or am I mixing up names?
Jessica Rylan / Can't, subject of Special Interests' video documentary last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeu9Yeh8rrs
Kate DeVoe's Noise Widow fanzine has been brought up by WCN Podcast and in the noise zine topic here. And as of zines, Untitled Zine and Rocker have brought up female makers as both subjects and makers of interviews. Rose Actor-Engel of widely appreciated No Rent Records has been interviewed by WCN Podcast as well. The Rita-collaborator Lorelei was interviewed in the first issue of Hardcore Country And Western.
It feels like I'm forgetting some essential ones, but then again this is just a quickly written list and not some attempt at a complete glossary set in stone.
Wonderful post, thank you.
When I made this thread, through some fault of my own, I was rather in the dark about Women In Noise, and Women At SI. This thread has really helped me to see what you, and some others see. And in recent weeks and months, my Noise collection/listening includes more Women. And best of all, some stupidass assumptions on my part have been rectified. (I cringe when I look at my June 2025 OP.)
How about a specific release from Melissa Paget's project Mass Marriage? Drying Up The Streets, her 2024 collaboration with M.I.A. https://phagetapes.bandcamp.com/album/drying-up-the-streets
Topics include sex work and sexuality in urban (public) environments. I read the lyrics as diaristic and enigmatic. The musical elements of this collaboration include beats, piano, and sequenced synth, but I would encourage people to give the material a chance even if they are wary of such things; the musical aspects blend together expertly with heavy electronics and tasty loops of feedback. The spoken word sections are strong, as are the handwritten lyrics on the vinyl insert, both of which I understand are some of the contributions from Ms. Paget. Reference points could include classic releases from Prurient such as Cocaine Death or Pleasure Ground, or more recently Retaliation. The spirit of this collaboration is clearly power electronics, even if the sounds can also be something else.
Minor correction: The Gloria does have at least one tape out. I got a copy at the Helsinki gig. Good stuff.
Mayuko Hino C.C.C.C. was not mentioned. Awesome.
Quote from: NedOik on February 02, 2026, 09:14:51 AMMayuko Hino C.C.C.C. was not mentioned. Awesome.
She is mentioned on the first page of the discussion thread.
Doesn't she have an interview in Bananafish? Was that a C.C.C.C. interview, or just her? I would love to read what she has to say. I've never owned a Bananafish. I've only read THAT Macronympha interview "Mean Sheets" from Bananafish #10... Hino is discussed therein... OK! I'm going to reread it again; it never gets old...
There is an interview segment with C.C.C.C. on the Live At Club Lower Links VHS (reissued on DVD by Tribe Tapes):
https://tribetapes.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-club-lower-links
Do any of her text interviews exist online?
Quote from: DBL on February 01, 2026, 11:36:54 PMIt seems odd that this topic of "women in noise" keeps resurfacing without really leading anywhere. I don't really see what the aim is. People asking for artist recommendations get them, but are they actually being listened to? Do people actually want to hear noise made by women for some specific purpose, or do they just want to point a finger at a flaw they've once again spotted, and are more interested in this supposed lack of women rather than the women's actual active participation in the genre/scene? Is there an assumption that noise should somehow change and adapt to attract more women?
I would think this is not about this particular topic, but it effects most things out there. As examples, I always get some jaded veteran asking what is the current new good noise and if you drop some names, you can be pretty sure they will not check it out. Same could be said for question when someone asks what is good punk, what is good new black metal that brings something new that wasn't done by Bathory and Venom already. hah. and you can be sure by the question they present, its not like they would really care.
We have seen quite frequently also discussions where is the anarchist and left leaning noise. And unless its someoneones friend, mostly people don't appear to know. Which is odd, but that's how it goes. If you drop some names, they won't check artists out, but repeat the question later on, as clueless as they were before. Maybe complaining how there is so much bondage art and abuse that can't find good noise.. while in reality it would be relatively hard to even find bondage covers unless you intentionally go to the source?
Currently, in Helsinki, in the Punk museum (there really is such thing, believe it or not, in central of city!) is exhibition about women and minorities in the punk scene. A lot of people who were in Finnish hardcore punk scene in the 80's and 90's might be little amused since if judging by front men of known bands, it may seem there isn't really that much women in the scene. However, punk wasn't about hc band members per se, but culture existed in many forms that do not require being band member. Many punk related things, animal activism, human rights, organizations of many styles or merely even the act of hanging out - being involved in less visible ways, meant that there was large scale involvement that just isn't documented in form of 7"s, LP's and such.
From perspective of noise, there are some major figures who made scene of specific moment to be what it is. Lets say Gaya of Antichildleague is not only noisician, but major gig promoter of industrial-noise. She is to thank for A LOT of most significant 00's power electronics and noise things. Or Ina of Tower Transmissions, who may not be so visible for people who do not know about festival, but indeed right there on top of entire operation. Something like Artware label is obviously long gone, but just couple of weeks ago, Ulex Xane credited Donna Klemm to be the person who was the first to really buy and import Streicher tapes. Lifting the project from obscure, almost private tape trading network into being treated like releases of real label: getting distributed by dealers. These just couple obvious examples of people who really have changed noise history in very different magnitude compared to dude who just put out couple audio releases.
It is just the thing I wonder, that if someone would be honestly interested in female artists or the role that women have played in industrial, noise, etc.. I just wonder how it is possible
not to know at this day and age? Many times I come into conclusion that at least the ones who cry loudest for equality or representation, aren't really interested. They are as interested as the old dudes who check out 10 second snippet of metal band and say "Slayer already did this", while there is absolutely nothing in common. Its just tendency to revolve in passivity with any excuse one can.
Quote from: DBL on February 01, 2026, 11:36:54 PMAnenzephalia's later live gigs with a female member have been positively commented here, both in sound and live presence/intensity. I think she hasn't featured on any releases yet though? I might be wrong. Live clips and longer gig reports have been made by SI.
She is featured on one track actually, on
The World As It Used to Exist tape on De/TAINMENT TAPES. Looking forward to any future material featuring her vocals on record. Last December performance in Dresden was great.
Quote from: Atrophist on February 02, 2026, 03:00:16 AMMinor correction: The Gloria does have at least one tape out. I got a copy at the Helsinki gig. Good stuff.
There is also that The Rita/The Gloria split tape that came out maybe a year ago. On this split she comes out as the winner IMO. Definitely looking forward to future gigs/releases.
Quote from: Wainhouse on February 02, 2026, 10:37:25 AMQuote from: NedOik on February 02, 2026, 09:14:51 AMMayuko Hino C.C.C.C. was not mentioned. Awesome.
She is mentioned on the first page of the discussion thread.
Doesn't she have an interview in Bananafish? Was that a C.C.C.C. interview, or just her? I would love to read what she has to say. I've never owned a Bananafish. I've only read THAT Macronympha interview "Mean Sheets" from Bananafish #10... Hino is discussed therein... OK! I'm going to reread it again; it never gets old...
There is an interview segment with C.C.C.C. on the Live At Club Lower Links VHS (reissued on DVD by Tribe Tapes):
https://tribetapes.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-club-lower-links
Do any of her text interviews exist online?
I didn't read back that far hehe silly me. There is a short interview clip of her here - subtitled in English : art demolition 4 - c.c.c.c. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NFbXDu2IU). If anyone has anything in English raise your hand.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 02, 2026, 11:38:02 AMFrom perspective of noise, there are some major figures who made scene of specific moment to be what it is. Lets say Gaya of Antichildleague is not only noisician, but major gig promoter of industrial-noise. She is to thank for A LOT of most significant 00's power electronics and noise things. Or Ina of Tower Transmissions, who may not be so visible for people who do not know about festival, but indeed right there on top of entire operation. Something like Artware label is obviously long gone, but just couple of weeks ago, Ulex Xane credited Donna Klemm to be the person who was the first to really buy and import Streicher tapes. Lifting the project from obscure, almost private tape trading network into being treated like releases of real label: getting distributed by dealers. These just couple obvious examples of people who really have changed noise history in very different magnitude compared to dude who just put out couple audio releases.
In this context of females playing pivotal roles behind the scenes, so to say, I want to pay tribute to Katarina Johansson. Seasoned Swedes know who she is, but probably unknown elsewhere. Katarina was very early in the Swedish industrial scene, ran the Spanking Housewives distro and contributed to the mid-80s zine Res Publika. She travelled over Europe, hung out at Club Moral, visited Gary Mundy when he still lived at his parents' house, interviewed Douglas Pearce in a London cemetary. She DJ'ed at events, did graphic design for flyers and record covers, contributed so much in different areas. In the early 2000's we did a series of events, Club Rehab, with all the big local names (IRM, Institut, Survival Unit, Ochu, Treriksröset, etc) spiced up with international acts like MK9 and Dieter Müh. Her role can not be overstated. Sadly she's not with us anymore and she is missed by many.
Quote from: Minus1 on January 31, 2026, 11:31:58 PMQuote from: Hyena on January 31, 2026, 10:55:12 PMQuote from: Manhog_84 on June 29, 2025, 11:06:37 PMThat kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.
I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.
I'd love to hear more about this!
My kneejerk reaction is "Wtf? But Vomir relaxes me and cleanses my brain." (Maybe that is not the same as "therapeutic"!?)
What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?
(I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative.)
NP. I just find that, for me, really rough spots... if one is familiar with really difficult circumstances, it's not gonna do much. That's why I have a difficult time with all these DSBM- and similar acts who have all these things going for them and all these people around them, the support systems, the fans, the labels, and yet they claim misanthropy.
My take on it is that misanthropy is forced upon you and if you actually live it, trust me, you'd do anything to not have to live it. So for music alone to solve anything... I dunno, maybe I'm not making sense. Doesn't matter.
I may be slightly OT. Long day.
Quote from: Hyena on February 14, 2026, 12:13:15 AMQuote from: Minus1 on January 31, 2026, 11:31:58 PMQuote from: Hyena on January 31, 2026, 10:55:12 PMQuote from: Manhog_84 on June 29, 2025, 11:06:37 PMThat kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.
I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.
I'd love to hear more about this!
My kneejerk reaction is "Wtf? But Vomir relaxes me and cleanses my brain." (Maybe that is not the same as "therapeutic"!?)
What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?
(I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative.)
NP. I just find that, for me, really rough spots... if one is familiar with really difficult circumstances, it's not gonna do much. That's why I have a difficult time with all these DSBM- and similar acts who have all these things going for them and all these people around them, the support systems, the fans, the labels, and yet they claim misanthropy.
My take on it is that misanthropy is forced upon you and if you actually live it, trust me, you'd do anything to not have to live it. So for music alone to solve anything... I dunno, maybe I'm not making sense. Doesn't matter.
I may be slightly OT. Long day.
It's all good. Makes some sense. Thanks.
Some might respond "but lyrics should not be seen as autobiographical". "The singer is simply role playing." Etc.
Lack of females in "difficult" music scenes is very noticeable, both as artists and as audience. I think part of it is innate preferences and differences between the two sexes. Despite equal opportunities, choosing different things. For example women have very little interest in some film genres such as War, Action, Western, Science Fiction films. Films that feature lots of male violence, it simply doesn't interest them but men seem to like those. Similar to styles of music that contain lots of abstraction, noise included or disciplines that contain abstraction such as Mathematics and Philosophy leave them indifferent for the most part.
Part of it is cultural, the culture that rose from the ashes of the destructive two world wars, they blame masculinity for the violence and destruction in the world. Male interests and displays of overt masculinity are seen as problematic and not socially acceptable. Men though, still needed an outlet for the supressed masculinity hence you have thriving male dominated subcultures such as noise/PE and metal. In metal as well, there aren't many females, is mostly an outlet for men to feel like glorious warriors of the past.
Quote from: Thermophile on February 14, 2026, 05:45:12 PMLack of females in "difficult" music scenes is very noticeable, both as artists and as audience. I think part of it is innate preferences and differences between the two sexes. Despite equal opportunities, choosing different things. For example women have very little interest in some film genres such as War, Action, Western, Science Fiction films. Films that feature lots of male violence, it simply doesn't interest them but men seem to like those. Similar to styles of music that contain lots of abstraction, noise included or disciplines that contain abstraction such as Mathematics and Philosophy leave them indifferent for the most part.
Part of it is cultural, the culture that rose from the ashes of the destructive two world wars, they blame masculinity for the violence and destruction in the world. Male interests and displays of overt masculinity are seen as problematic and not socially acceptable. Men though, still needed an outlet for the supressed masculinity hence you have thriving male dominated subcultures such as noise/PE and metal. In metal as well, there aren't many females, is mostly an outlet for men to feel like glorious warriors of the past.
While there could very well be truth to some parts of your analysis, I think the glaring omission is that perhaps many women also do not particularly like the omnipresence of thematic sexual violence in noise? I think this philosophizing might abstract away from the more everyday aversions.
RE: Misanthropy: i have lived half of my life, hopefully. I have been through various phases, thoughts, emotions ... What i believe now is that people dont deserve your hate, neither your love, respect or appreciation, untill they earn them.
Your Misanthropy is giving value to those that have done nothing to deserve it, yet.
Indifference. Is the starting point.
All good points.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on February 14, 2026, 06:46:32 PMWhile there could very well be truth to some parts of your analysis, I think the glaring omission is that perhaps many women also do not particularly like the omnipresence of thematic sexual violence in noise? I think this philosophizing might abstract away from the more everyday aversions.
That is part of men asserting their own viewpoint on sexual themes outside of what is considered socially acceptable in the mainstream so it doesn't contradict my point. I can't relate either to female pop stars or even female noise artists when they sing about these issues.
Quote from: Thermophile on February 15, 2026, 01:18:16 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on February 14, 2026, 06:46:32 PMWhile there could very well be truth to some parts of your analysis, I think the glaring omission is that perhaps many women also do not particularly like the omnipresence of thematic sexual violence in noise? I think this philosophizing might abstract away from the more everyday aversions.
That is part of men asserting their own viewpoint on sexual themes outside of what is considered socially acceptable in the mainstream so it doesn't contradict my point. I can't relate either to female pop stars or even female noise artists when they sing about these issues.
agree in a way on this point - it's the form not the content, as i read somewhere that women are - by far - the primary "consumers" of true crime content (films, tv , podcasts, books etc).
Quote from: cr on June 27, 2025, 09:20:23 PMSome other:
Nika (aka Zola Jesus)
Zola Jesus a noise artist? For quite a while she's been down the dark/alt pop road, but even her early releases aren't what you could call noise.
She
does still drop the occasional noise track into her "Dj" sets though.
Nika – Olga's Revenge
https://www.discogs.com/release/18180262-Nika-Olgas-Revenge (https://www.discogs.com/release/18180262-Nika-Olgas-Revenge)
Quote from: cr on February 21, 2026, 09:13:35 PMNika – Olga's Revenge
https://www.discogs.com/release/18180262-Nika-Olgas-Revenge (https://www.discogs.com/release/18180262-Nika-Olgas-Revenge)
I apologise. I didn't know of this release.
I should also know better because a few NIKA tracks were shared on her patreon a few years ago and I guess they could be described as being noise(y).
Thanks for the link.
I'm glad we finally came to the conclusion that maybe women are not thrilled with all the rape, objectification and overall goon culture so they are not exactly keen to hang around, one less mystery of noise. :)
Quote from: EXU on February 22, 2026, 07:12:44 AMI'm glad we finally came to the conclusion that maybe women are not thrilled with all the rape, objectification and overall goon culture so they are not exactly keen to hang around, one less mystery of noise. :)
Hmmm. Is that our conclusion?
Unrelated:
I just had a random thought for a new thread:
Black People In Noise? Black People Here??
Is this the "why am I so lonely?" thread? Maybe combine the two and retitle it: The Special Incels Report. Or, Special Uncles: Power Basements. 🤡🤡🤡
Quote from: Bigsby on February 23, 2026, 07:41:43 PMIs this the "why am I so lonely?" thread? Maybe combine the two and retitle it: The Special Incels Report. Or, Special Uncles: Power Basements. 🤡🤡🤡
No.
Quote from: Bigsby on February 23, 2026, 07:41:43 PMIs this the "why am I so lonely?" thread? Maybe combine the two and retitle it: The Special Incels Report. Or, Special Uncles: Power Basements. 🤡🤡🤡
Do you have anything meaningful to say ? Ever. Why are you here ? Seems you suffer amongst us. Masochism ? Then enjoy it.
I think I've read more intelligent analysis in this thread alone than in decades of... I dunno, places other than this thread. Which is certainly saying something about our "current climate".
There is some really good stuff here.
Quote from: Bigsby on February 23, 2026, 07:41:43 PMIs this the "why am I so lonely?" thread? Maybe combine the two and retitle it: The Special Incels Report. Or, Special Uncles: Power Basements. 🤡🤡🤡
It's probably better you watch Nick Fuentes, Clavicular, Fresh & Fit maybe even Andrew Tate for what they have to say about women instead of being a chud on a forum having nothing valuable to say ever. Touch grass, or the inside of a pussy if you can even walk outside of your room (challenge: impossible)
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Quote from: Bigsby on February 23, 2026, 10:09:07 PMThere is some really good stuff here.
Are you the same Bigsby who posted earlier?
Quote from: StrikeFirst on February 23, 2026, 10:10:00 PMIt's probably better you watch Nick Fuentes, Clavicular, Fresh & Fit maybe even Andrew Tate for what they have to say about women instead of being a chud on a forum having nothing valuable to say ever. Touch grass, or the inside of a pussy if you can even walk outside of your room (challenge: impossible)
I think this moid is just trying to mog us by chadfishing his SMV.
A little bite off topic, I went to my first noise event, in September at TT Dresden, it was a great show, setting and atmosphere, and what surprised me was to see a fairly large presence of women !
Certainly fewer in number than the men, it remains quite masculine. For artist, perhaps they are more numerous in everything that is going to be ambient or industrial or close, than PE or Harsh noise (not sure about that, just my guess).
Taint Misogynist lust counts as "women in noise"?
Nah just joking. I'd like to be playful.
Relay For Death!!!