I just typed "CUNTEXPLOSION!" in another thread, and I thought "God, what will the women of SI think?"
Then I thought "Are women here?"
And...what about Women In Noise?
I have a confession to make: Off the top of my head, I can't name any right now.
You will no doubt supply a vast list, and I will kick myself in the balls (I'm male) and ask for forgiveness.
(Actually, I know a few Women in Japanese noise bands. But solo? I'm having a brain block.)
Is Noise a mostly male gig? Why?
I hope we hear from the ladies, but perhaps that is a "doxing" that nobody wants?
And in this day and age, some might respond "What does it matter? He/she/they..."
There have been some mentions of it here before: https://soundcloud.com/womenofnoise
Can't vouch for their presence on this forum, but a number of women I can think of currently active in noise/industrial include: The Nausea, Ana Fosca, Puce Mary, Himukalt, Rusalka as well as the long-standing AntiChildLeague. I'm sure I will kick myself later with forgetting others not at front of mind.
Mass Marriage and Military Position too.
There are quite a few, probably fewer on harsh noise side but definitely in PE space. To throw couple more names into the mix: Mouth Wound, Parasite Nurse, Spiteful Womb.
A more interesting question is - is it different from male noise/PE? Thematically the answer is a pretty simple Yes, women-led projects tend to be (almost) exclusively introspective while male acts are more likely to focus on good old PE topics of politics/culture, true crime and perversion.
Sonically though, if you listen with your eyes closed, would you spot a difference?
In Italy there's Alessandra Zerbinati.
Much more a performer artist than a recording artist.
I think she has probably a vinyl and a couple of tapes out in ten or more years that i know her.
But live she's pretty good.
Not naming the ones mentioned already (and trying not to misgender as well..) but on the top of my head : Evicshen, Kastrata, Imminent Death, Smr.Tni, Leah P, Alice Kemp, Pain Chain, Skin, ...
Pharmakon's a pretty prominent one.
Junko
Mayuko Hino
Tara Connelly
Anjilla (Moonbeam Terror)
16 Bitch Pile-Up (not sure if still active, but anyway, one of my favorite project names of all time)
Quite a few women collaborated with Ramirez/BLJ over the years.
Opulent Adversary, Stroker. Can't forget Silent Abuse!
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 25, 2025, 04:10:45 AMThere have been some mentions of it here before: https://soundcloud.com/womenofnoise
It has made me promise myself I will not comment this anymore, but nevertheless, if we are talking about WOMEN and NOISE, this podcast is curious example how terms can be used while big part of episodes have neither one present. Like the latest episode I tried to listen to. 4 dudes talking about what animals they identify with. Fine with me, but I'd hope there would be women of noise dedicated to women of noise. In this podcast, is pretty much Pharmakon and Rusalka that stand out. Many have nothing to do with "noise".
Pretty much every relevant female artist who I know, are not very comfortable to be filed under tag "female artist", as they tend to feel they are just... artists like all the rest. Many feel like they are annoyed if people listen to their work merely because sort of political or fetishistic vibe, instead of merely appreciating their work on same standard as art in general. Like think of all recent Antichildleague, Puce Mary and so on. One can acknowledge their gender for sure, but if listed among things where achievements and quality is secondary and gender is raised as most crucial thing, I doubt they'd be very happy to be such tokens...
Opulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Quote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals? Or am I misremembering?
Evicshen is an interesting artist. I think her name is Victoria if my memory serves correctly. She seems to have a unique appreciation for "sound" as a whole. I don't know if she's still active or not, but I thought her material was pretty decent. I picked up that Military Postition tape box from ASRAR a little while back, but haven't sat down to give it a proper listen yet.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on June 26, 2025, 04:28:23 AMEvicshen is an interesting artist. I think her name is Victoria if my memory serves correctly. She seems to have a unique appreciation for "sound" as a whole. I don't know if she's still active or not, but I thought her material was pretty decent.
Correct (her name is Victoria Shen... geddit?), and yes she's very much still active - saw her play last year on her UK tour and she was excellent! People might find it interesting to note she was involved with Jessica Rylan's boutique synth company Flower Electronics from around 2009: https://flowerelectronics.com/About.html
I think a more interesting question could be- What are the noise-consumption habits of women?
We all know there are many women making noise, but how many, even of those who perform noise are actually buying this stuff? Sure they may get gifts, or pick something up very occasionally. I think in 15 years of noise I could count on one hand total female customers.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AMQuote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals? Or am I misremembering?
Was predominantly male vocals.
Quote from: ritualabuser on June 27, 2025, 03:49:40 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AMQuote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Didn't the Desolate Flesh project on the comp you put also also feature female vocals? Or am I misremembering?
Was predominantly male vocals.
Sounds like I need to listen to it again as a refresher. Very great material!
Quote from: Strangecross on June 27, 2025, 12:36:37 AMI think a more interesting question could be- What are the noise-consumption habits of women?
We all know there are many women making noise, but how many, even of those who perform noise are actually buying this stuff? Sure they may get gifts, or pick something up very occasionally. I think in 15 years of noise I could count on one hand total female customers.
Good point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?
If you were female (real) there are reasons to hide it on online forums. I know women are active in other noise-related online communities.
I doubt forums are somehow worst thing out there for females.
There is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?", which sounded funny as hell when they were talking about it. Interviewer is telling how men come to criticize her live gear and recommending better synths. Hah.
While it is funny, I guess there is pretty frequent discussion how one should treat all sort of socially awkward, perhaps somehow "neurologally challenged" folks and even if it may get old pretty quick for females to get sort of autistic gear dudes (and such) approaching them, one would think that it may be clear most probably don't have malicious intent and one can cope with such situation exactly same ways as men do.
Most of my life, I knew "underground culture women". Very rarely I interact with so called normal folks. This may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art. Most often it appears to be men, who see women as some sort of damsel in distress, while I almost exclusivesily seen women who can handle pretty much same things as men.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMI doubt forums are somehow worst thing out there for females.
There is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?", which sounded funny as hell when they were talking about it. Interviewer is telling how men come to criticize her live gear and recommending better synths. Hah.
While it is funny, I guess there is pretty frequent discussion how one should treat all sort of socially awkward, perhaps somehow "neurologally challenged" folks and even if it may get old pretty quick for females to get sort of autistic gear dudes (and such) approaching them, one would think that it may be clear most probably don't have malicious intent and one can cope with such situation exactly same ways as men do.
Most of my life, I knew "underground culture women". Very rarely I interact with so called normal folks. This may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art. Most often it appears to be men, who see women as some sort of damsel in distress, while I almost exclusivesily seen women who can handle pretty much same things as men.
I like this post.
I like it a lot.
Some other:
niku daruma &
burnt feathers
Nika (aka Zola Jesus)
Maria Zerfall (RIP!)
She Spread Sorrow
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMThere is that one episode of Women of noise podcast where artist mentions getting private contacts from me, that are like "you want to jam? You want to see my synth?"
I'm guessing a letter is missing here, but the thought of Mikko sliding into the DMs gave me a chuckle. Unsolicited synth picks.
Extreme and marginal musical scenes tend to be male dominated. Seems to be a fact everywhere, at any era. Don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but it is a thing.
That said, I honestly don't think women would face any special difficulty as performers or audience members in this country, at least. If I'm wrong, by all means let me know. I always start tuning out immediately when an artist makes some attribute they were born with the focus of their art or their existence. The abovementioned ACL is a great artist and (having had the privilege of meeting her and having a chat) a cool person who'd probably think that the last thing she wants, is to be seen as a "female artist".
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 27, 2025, 05:02:52 PMThis may have effected what kind of experience I have, but if returning to opening post of the topic, I don't know any women who would be somehow upset about noise song titles and art.
Each to their own ofc, but honestly there are a lot of women out there into some really dark and sick shit, that makes my own skin crawl. In terms of film, whatever. Why would noise be any different.
While most women I know wouldn't be upset by noise song titles and art, the common noise themes tend to be less interesting to women than men, so less women explore the genre than men. A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
I'm old enough to remember when Rock was male dominated. Now women are everywhere in the genre.
Perhaps Noise is going to gradually follow suit.
I've seen a few comments in this thread that I classify as "assumptions". I'm guilty of it in my OP!!
Many of the better-known contemporary noise and power electronics artists are female: Puce Mary, Himukalt, Pharmakon, Rusalka, etc. Publications closer to the mainstream often promote artists because they're female, and a big part of their readership likes to mention femininity as the major element of their music, so there's some disproportionate representation of female artists among artists better-known to people who aren't very familiar with the genres. This is not to suggest that they're getting undue recognition—many of them make great noise.
Quote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
As opposed to saying "they must just get off on it"?
Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
No. The phrasing is a bit unusual but it's a similar reaction to what Balor said.
Quote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 26, 2025, 01:07:37 AMQuote from: ritualabuser on June 25, 2025, 11:04:38 PMOpulent Adversary and Cockfodder should be mentioned. OA dealing with more "traditional" PE topics, CF being more "personal".
Opulent Adversary for sure, great project.
Spiteful Womb. Prior. ACL. Niku Daruma. Ritual Chair. Lucifer Sky.
Quote from: Commander15 on June 29, 2025, 02:14:36 PMQuote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.
Maybe. I think she was talking about the tendency to enjoy media about violence and shocking things.
That kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.
Quote from: Moran on June 29, 2025, 09:18:45 PMQuote from: Commander15 on June 29, 2025, 02:14:36 PMQuote from: Atrophist on June 29, 2025, 12:26:31 AMQuote from: Moran on June 28, 2025, 06:35:22 AM...
A woman reacted to her exposure to noise saying "men are addicted to trauma", which I think reflects how most women I know think about noise or films about extreme themes.
Honestly, that's a rather odd thing to say, regarding noise and even in general. Did she elaborate on this at all?
Sounds awful lot like an "therapy speak" - kind of response to me.
Maybe. I think she was talking about the tendency to enjoy media about violence and shocking things.
Yeah, is not noise mostly about inhabiting the wound of the world/existence? Even when the themes are seemingly bright or joyful in absurdity. Presenting, reminiscing or recreacting violent, absurd or shock states is exactly like inhabiting the Wound and thus also trauma... of existence if nothing more specific.
From a metaphysical and psychological point of view it is interesting how men quite often initially come to noise from the state of sexual isolation of somekind, or isolation from the more lofty aspects of sexuality, and thus they express the wounded state through corresponding imagery: female genitalia, gaping holes, different types of bodily and mental wounds, onwards to wider abstraction, lack of the soft... PE in turn is like trying to incarnate the phallos in this state. Look at the red faced and stiffly electrified men of Whitehouse. They are like lightning bolts. Yet because they express the distorted and inflamed states of the world, these lighting bolts are red, or even black, inhabiting the most coarse areas of the wound, thus it's about trauma. You know, trauma can be seen as something that drags the living spirit in to such a halt that the coarse material existence subjucated to time has to exist. This creates the whole area of the vulva as some sort of a wound from where the coarse forms of existence is given birth to... in a crisis of flawed existence.
Floating back down to the topic, I wonder if the male dominance in the amount of noise projects comes back to the characteristic male need to present and wield the phallos. Like the act of controlling feedback with a plate of metal. Almost one to one experience to slightly bending one's own erected cock in a fist.
Quote from: Penon on June 25, 2025, 09:24:47 AMA more interesting question is - is it different from male noise/PE? Thematically the answer is a pretty simple Yes, women-led projects tend to be (almost) exclusively introspective
Continuing on the phallos-vulva metaphysics, the ideal feminine surrounding the male part dictates the feminine expression. I think the above comment nailed how it tends to actualize: The feminine inspects the surroundings. Women can be as obsessed with trauma as men, but it might be more common for them to inspect and express the surrounding wound, almost as if taking a third perspective to it, while the Whitehouse guys remain stiff and red in the wound.
All artists have different approaches, for sure, and they express different aspects of these things. Despite one's sex, different roles are taken and expressed. Yet archetypal notions can help not merely to generalize, but to consciously realize the roles we take in different areas of creative expression, and perhaps find new interesting angles to them. Not just in creative endeavours but also interpreting art and the inner worlds.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 29, 2025, 11:48:42 PMFrom a metaphysical and psychological point of view it is interesting how men quite often initially come to noise from the state of sexual isolation of somekind, or isolation from the more lofty aspects of sexuality, and thus they express the wounded state through corresponding imagery: female genitalia, gaping holes, different types of bodily and mental wounds, onwards to wider abstraction, lack of the soft... PE in turn is like trying to incarnate the phallos in this state. Look at the red faced and stiffly electrified men of Whitehouse. They are like lightning bolts. Yet because they express the distorted and inflamed states of the world, these lighting bolts are red, or even black, inhabiting the most coarse areas of the wound, thus it's about trauma. You know, trauma can be seen as something that drags the living spirit in to such a halt that the coarse material existence subjucated to time has to exist. This creates the whole area of the vulva as some sort of a wound from where the coarse forms of existence is given birth to... in a crisis of flawed existence.
That's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels. My sample is subjective, ofc, but it is not small, and in my experience this isn't the case.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 29, 2025, 11:48:42 PMFloating back down to the topic, I wonder if the male dominance in the amount of noise projects comes back to the characteristic male need to present and wield the phallos.
Lack of women in noise is caused by the male need to wield the phallos. Well, okay. It's a hypothesis, a starting point. Carry on.
This is becoming awfully Lacanian.
****Makes popcorn****
I saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!
Quote from: BatteredStatesofEuphoria on June 30, 2025, 02:36:44 AMI saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!
I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not!? 😂
Tornipuhuri has an interesting theory, above. Part of me wants to respond with: "Dude. I just like the sounds."
I've said this somewhere on the forum: Many people think we are a bunch of freaks and geeks for liking Noise etc. But 90% of the people I have met in Noise are kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and happy. Noisemaker interviews exhibit the same qualities. (Even the Whitehouse guys!) I think we just think outside the box. That's all, really. We don't want to be constrained by norms of song / sound.
Psychology is a plague. I m tired of people thinking they can and should analyze everything. And they all come with the same explanations about everything.
You can erase all the psychology from my comment and most of it still stands. It's just metaphysics. And "just liking the sound" is lazy. Everything has a reason. It might not be about plain sexual isolation, but if you interpret sexuality as a more symbolic thing you might get what I'm saying. Again, it can be applied to psychology, but its not limited to it.
Quote from: Atrophist on June 30, 2025, 12:36:24 AMThat's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels.
How did you find the alternative I offered, of being isolates from more lofty aspects of sexuality? I'm speaking about romanticism onwards to other more fine planes of existence and dealings with the opposite polarity (not necessarily sexual in a coarse sense). If noise dudes are not incels, the expression surely is an act of isolating these finer elements until we arrive at the rawness of being isolated from the feminine (or masculine) until we stand at the coarse area of nihilism. No?
Quote from: Minus1 on June 30, 2025, 02:58:59 AMQuote from: BatteredStatesofEuphoria on June 30, 2025, 02:36:44 AMI saw Wielding the Phallos open up for Premature Ejaculation at CGBG's in Sept 83!!!
I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not!? 😂
Tornipuhuri has an interesting theory, above. Part of me wants to respond with: "Dude. I just like the sounds."
I've said this somewhere on the forum: Many people think we are a bunch of freaks and geeks for liking Noise etc. But 90% of the people I have met in Noise are kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and happy. Noisemaker interviews exhibit the same qualities. (Even the Whitehouse guys!) I think we just think outside the box. That's all, really. We don't want to be constrained by norms of song / sound.
Re Premature Ejaculation - this was a project of Rozz Williams, not a joke. Re 'Women in Noise', this topic comes around in our small universe more frequently than 'does marketing affect sales?' at an economists buffet. You can psychoanalize it and apply any theory you want - however my experience (and that to me is more important than theories) over 30 years around the noise 'scene', in various countries, tallies with yours and I could not have put it better myself.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 08:06:17 AMQuote from: Atrophist on June 30, 2025, 12:36:24 AMThat's a pretty highfalutin way of saying noise dudes are all incels.
How did you find the alternative I offered, of being isolates from more lofty aspects of sexuality? I'm speaking about romanticism onwards to other more fine planes of existence and dealings with the opposite polarity (not necessarily sexual in a coarse sense). If noise dudes are not incels, the expression surely is an act of isolating these finer elements until we arrive at the rawness of being isolated from the feminine (or masculine) until we stand at the coarse area of nihilism. No?
I think you're just using some AI "late 20thC art critic" generator for a laugh, and to see how long we fall for it. :)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 30, 2025, 11:05:00 AMQuote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:12:01 AMAnd "just liking the sound" is lazy.
So?
So dismissing the introspective side of things keeps noise isolated on a metaphysical level. I'm not saying this shouldn't be, just on observation of the artform and the room it seems to inhabit.
I'm not thinking the introspective thing is the be all end all factor of feminine creativity and presence in noise, but if we regard it a major factor, the general dismissiveness of these introspective notions on this discussion may give another perspective to the seemingly few female patricipants on this forum, amongst the already expressed notions.
Or... the dismissiveness might well be also because I presented the ideas too much like a kick on the nuts, which I did not mean to do. Judging by how people seem to think I'm total outsider to the genre and barking at the scene, I must say I'm rather making these notions partly on how I ended up to noise myself, and getting to know peoples' stories from different decades. I could say that no, it was not about isolation on my part, but rather I was following my individual path of things that interested me. It went from metal, to experimental music, industrial to noise. Plain and simple. But looking a bit under the surface, other sorts of interpretations open up. Not mere psychological ones.
Again, it seems I have to emphasise that I don't mean mere psychological interpretations by any of the things I've said. Thus the introspective thing doesn't need to be reduced to mere dull personal psychology, but rather through the example of sexual isolation a vaster sphere of isolation is perceived. Much likewise the "theories" I presented doesn't need to be seen as detached theories, but as observations that doesn't have to mutually exclude other notions.
Cool down dear noise fanatics.
"I love sounds just where they are, and I have no need for them to be anything more than what they are."
John Cage on silence, Sound and Music.
"No ideas, no change, no development, no entertainment, no remorse."
Vomir.
Anyway, we seem to be off topic.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:12:01 AMYou can erase all the psychology from my comment and most of it still stands. It's just metaphysics. And "just liking the sound" is lazy.
What? You realize that not all noise is about sex? It's one thing to say you like some random Bandcamp-only project with BDSM collage art "for the sounds," but there are plenty of non-thematic reasons to listen to Bizarre Uproar, for instance.
Quote from: Minus1 on June 30, 2025, 06:28:09 PM"I love sounds just where they are, and I have no need for them to be anything more than what they are."
John Cage on silence, Sound and Music.
Totally agree.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 30, 2025, 07:01:33 PMWhat? You realize that not all noise is about sex? It's one thing to say you like some random Bandcamp-only project with BDSM collage art "for the sounds," but there are plenty of non-thematic reasons to listen to Bizarre Uproar, for instance.
Last thing I will comment on this topic because there is no point to keep hitting one's head on to a brickwall. I said sexuality as a symbol. Whatever that might mean, go figure.
Quote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:38:06 PMWhatever that might mean, go figure.
Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 30, 2025, 07:01:33 PMYou realize that not all noise is about sex?
Ohshit. Really? I musta been doin it wrong.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on July 02, 2025, 05:45:04 PMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 30, 2025, 07:01:33 PMYou realize that not all noise is about sex?
Ohshit. Really? I musta been doin it wrong.
To be fair, what I said in no way prevents you (or anyone, really) from making noise only about sex. haha
Quote from: Theodore on June 30, 2025, 08:59:13 PMQuote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:38:06 PMWhatever that might mean, go figure.
Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.
keep this board pure. shame critical discussion - celebrate the promo.
Quote from: John Cagefight on July 02, 2025, 10:33:53 PMQuote from: Theodore on June 30, 2025, 08:59:13 PMQuote from: Tornipuhuri on June 30, 2025, 07:38:06 PMWhatever that might mean, go figure.
Exactly my point. Endless pointless abstract highbrow bullshit-ology.
keep this board pure. shame critical discussion - celebrate the promo.
Hello John. What did you think about Tornipuhuri's theorems? Thanks in advance.
Relying too much on metaphors and conflating the properties of symbols with the properties of what's being symbolized usually leads to bad philosophy.
I doubt this question requires neither philosophical or psychoanalytical approach.
I have seen so many times "analysis" happening how for example Japanese noise vs western noise differs. Or almost without exception, when people talk how come there are so much bleak or raw underground music in Finland and someone drops the "there is no sunlight for half year.." -type of explanation, which is pretty lame actually. Sometimes theory appears to function as long as you don't ask people actually involved in it. Of course, one must admit that sometimes you indeed need the outside to point out something that is harder to see while being inside of something.
Questions of women in noise can be more enlightening to approach in form of listening and reading interviews of female noise artists plus at least over here, you can basically talk to women who buy noise, listen noise or go to gigs. I'd bet that a lot of folks rather identify as noise fanatics than representing gender. Latter of course clearly has effect, but I could assume I may have way more common ground with artist women than random male. What random males in this society are doing, is far more puzzling question, hah. Questions why so little of women being involved in ways men usually are, and how we could increase equality and such, are utterly unnecessary questions for me.
Quote from: Strangecross on June 27, 2025, 12:36:37 AMGood point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?
I don't know what happened in the last few pages of this thread but I just wanted to reply to this specifically.
Woman here. I "enjoy" listening to noise and PE while making art or anything that requires hours of creative focus. I wouldn't consider a noise show exactly a pinnacle of socializing and fun, but I guess that could also be subjective depending on who you ask!
Quote from: Wild Nature Acolyte on July 05, 2025, 08:06:29 AMQuote from: Strangecross on June 27, 2025, 12:36:37 AMGood point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?
I don't know what happened in the last few pages of this thread but I just wanted to reply to this specifically.
Woman here. I "enjoy" listening to noise and PE while making art or anything that requires hours of creative focus. I wouldn't consider a noise show exactly a pinnacle of socializing and fun, but I guess that could also be subjective depending on who you ask!
OMFG!!! A WOMAN!!!
(Irony.)
Yeah. Waaaay too many assumptions in this thread, including my own admittedly cringeworthy OP. ("OMG the ladies will be so offended.")
Kick my ass. Kick it hard.
Female here.
Been doing noise (mostly live)since 94, both in groups and solo. i have sporadically put out tapes, but have put out stuff fairly consistently since 2010.
i took long breaks due to playing in grindcore/black metal/death metal bands between 1994 and 2010.
my label MSDO has a lot of women artists. Farrah Faucet, Winter Rose, Side Wound, Chana Levannah, LURED, DTH DRV, NoAthlete, etc.
i'm a huge fan of Alessandra Zerbatini, Prayer Rope, Moonbeam Terror,AntiChildLeague,and Torschlusspanik amongst others.
i would say my label would be mostly known here due to the releases i have done for Black Leather Jesus and Caligula 031. expect records from Wertham/Psywarfare and The Rita by the end of the year.
Quote from: Theodore on June 27, 2025, 12:16:26 PMGood point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ?
I know several women who collect things (magazines, dolls, porcelain pieces, fashion items, etc etc.), and let's not forget that collecting music is becoming less common nowadays for both men and women. Since extreme genres are still predominantly male-dominated, most sales will naturally go to men.
On the other hand, I assume attendance numbers at shows are likely to be much more balanced.