Collage of review and discussion of CE set:
http://philipbest.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/bad-money-miami.html
Needs re-edit to include this winner: "Oh goodness. Well I left my camo trousers at home and am a woman so was instantly alienated by this total cock-fest. Man tweaks his nipples and licks a photo of a young person much to the 'shock' of the audience and then he grabs his dick. No thanks. Thankful I only went for the one day, think all 3 might have killed me."
- http://www.last.fm/user/sofiesea/journal/2012/02/13/5bvqor_ask_me_no_questions_12
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 21, 2012, 04:38:14 PM"think all 3 might have killed me."
Makes you wish she'd been there all three days, doesn't it?
I wish I'd seen that! I would have given up my chair for Wakeford if I'd had one. I could make it a permanent feature at all Unrest shows in the future. Never mind if he's there or not. For all the laughs he's given me as well as being a Surrey lad, Tony should always have his own chair at my gigs.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 21, 2012, 04:58:09 PM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 21, 2012, 04:38:14 PM"think all 3 might have killed me."
Makes you wish she'd been there all three days, doesn't it?
Hehe, well not really, she's a friend.
The drownedinsound thread Philip linked to has some really interesting discussion - http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4346433
Imagine that, Momus and Con-Dom in the same topic.
That Con-Dom set sounds incredible upsetting and I'm sad now.
Knee-slapping!
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 21, 2012, 05:40:18 PM
That Con-Dom set sounds incredible upsetting and I'm sad now.
Can't help but laugh at that one but critical discussion like on the drownedinsound site is way more interesting to me than our fanboy viewpoints and the music journalism's attempts at co-opting things (I'm sure The Wire's review will be even more annoying than Liminal and Quietus put together).
While discussing the idiots, spooks and personality disordered of whomakesthenazis with Gaya D at the fest she offhandedly acknowledged the incredible amount of misogyny in the noise/PE scene as a given. As radical as Spinal Tap. Good to see dissenting views from Sophie on CE too, she's a real music fan and not narrow-minded, I don't agree with her and lots of women there enjoyed it but these reactions are always better than uncritical acceptance.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 21, 2012, 07:18:38 PMshe's a real music fan and not narrow-minded
Until she visited this three day "total cock-fest" of which she only experienced one.
Do you know what I think Simon? I think too many of you Brits have a blackness in your collective soul which urges you to bring everyone and everything down into its place and it is consuming you as a people and as individuals. Your posts here reek of it and so do many of the comments you've linked to. It has nothing to do with politics, morals, Broken Flag, Fatty Best, PE or even music at all. It's a destructive and at times outright sadistic urge. It's a national trauma which stems from somewhere. From where exactly I don't yet know but I've witnessed it with a degree of amazement over the 11 years I've lived here. One day I hope to understand it better.
Totally off topic I know. Feel free to open up a discussion on the subject somewhere else if you want to. For as grim as it is, it's rather fascinating.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 21, 2012, 08:36:31 PM
I think too many of you Brits have a blackness in your collective soul which urges you to bring everyone and everything down into its place and it is consuming you as a people and as individuals. Your posts here reek of it and so do many of the comments you've linked to. It has nothing to do with politics, morals, Broken Flag, Fatty Best, PE or even music at all. It's a destructive and at times outright sadistic urge. It's a national trauma which stems from somewhere. From where exactly I don't yet know but I've witnessed it with a degree of amazement over the 11 years I've lived here. One day I hope to understand it better.
Maybe there's some truth in that. Whenever I've returned to the UK from abroad I always hear the moans and complaints in the whiny voices at the airport. Seen people in hideous poverty either homeless in the USA, on the streets in Mexico or fucked in the Eastern Bloc and they wouldn't dream of complaining like Brits do about everything. Start a thread in the other forum section 'what the fuck is wrong with Britain', it would be interesting to see responses!
I thought the drownedinsound discussion was excellent because it makes something which is very much becoming either commodified as art or turned into a safe hobbyist private club briefly appear provocative and dangerous again. I bet Mike Dando is pretty thrilled by those responses, as Best obviously is. There's nothing avant-garde about limited edition releases with the usual 'obsessions' going to a collector's private library, or about being turned into a product by the Dave Keenan/Wire mag/Cargo distribution route to a 'career' at the very bottom of the entertainment industry. Real avant-garde art should cause arguments, problems, change the consciousness, it doesn't make money, upsets parents, co-workers, the law...bleeds into real life with potentially disastrous consequences.
As for BF as cock-fest, the only gay in the village at Liminal also pointed out the paucity of female performers considering the high proportion of women in the audience.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 21, 2012, 09:04:29 PM
"While discussing the idiots, spooks and personality disordered of whomakesthenazis..."
Referring to people as "spooks" doesn't help the racist image...
Didn't know Brits used that term.
Decent troll bro.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 21, 2012, 09:13:23 PM
I thought the drownedinsound discussion was excellent because it makes something which is very much becoming either commodified as art or turned into a safe hobbyist private club briefly appear provocative and dangerous again.
Real avant-garde art should cause arguments, problems, change the consciousness, it doesn't make money, upsets parents, co-workers, the law...bleeds into real life with potentially disastrous consequences.
I personally don't have problems of noise being fetishistic and kind of pornographic. That it's not avantgarde & social tool, but like it often was: Titles you buy from catalogue, to experience at home, for your own pleasure. It may test your limits, it may be innovative, but perhaps in style of double fist-fuck or shit eating. You saw title in catalogue, maybe a cover pic, and thought "I need this". Being hobbyist private club - I don't see anything wrong with it. The danger the "controversy" brings you... it makes me sometimes wonder what exactly was achieved?
Lets say you hear ______ live or from record and think
"oh my god what a offense! Fuck this guy, I'm upset!"Or you hear ______ live or from record and think
"oh my god what an amazing album! This guy is great, I'm inspired!"The first one may be ok, yet, in the end, what really does it achieve? Compared to being able to inspire and provoke in positive way, not just annoy/piss off?
In my past history, there has been few cases where discussions grew in some forums or mailinglists where I was not member. After first shows in USA, some people got upset. For video involving nothing more brutal than spitting/pissing over female face and slapping her face with pigs tongue bought from butcher. It may sound slightly grotesque, yet at least from my own perspective it didn't appear as something you could get angry? It was more of eye candy. I don't know what exactly could be seen as achievement of this transgression which wouldn't have been achieved from mere satisfactory responses? Because the controversy IS most of all funny and entertaining, not that it would result anything else.
Another case was the projection of "Trite" video at gig in Finland. All sorts of rodents, birds and such being covered with cumshots and close up footage of soon-to-be-dead furry cuties was probably slight exaggeration in someones eyes, but it was related to the songs and pretty clearly explained in subtitles. Still it resulted calls for boycotting entire label and questions why such show wasn't stopped, but was allowed to play. Hard to say if the "controversy" resulted anything what wouldn't have been achieved by simply enjoyment delivered to camo pants & black cap wearing meatheads? Most certainly I moved about same amount of DVDr's that there was people in audience. For the safe hobbyist collectors.
I don't think this was "avantgarde": The material exists as it is, in safe private collections and sometimes in public. Does it make it more, if some sensitive unprepared viewer is upset? If it
really doesn't bring up anything more than 100% conditioned responses?
Yesterday I beheaded squirrel. Buried it in yard. Today I dug it up and photographed. And left it there to be eaten by someone and hopefully photograph the remains before it's completely gone. I know it could possibly upset someone if they see it. Should I show it simply to be transgressive? I doubt it. It was made for aesthetic and philosophical reasons, not as provocation. There is not special story behind the act, more than ending life that should end. Most of all humane thing to do, but at the same time, the aesthetics of dead cute animal appeals pretty high on philosophical level. It's also questions of how much one should respect life and in what style that respect happens. I don't need audience reactions for this process, but they may get sometime opportunity to witness tasty eyecandy what was perhaps nothing more than by-product. I may enjoy discussion with someone who can, but I doubt these "now I'm sad" characters work for me in any other level than before mentioned squirrel being their symbol. I can't see themselves being in position of contributing anything very crucial to process what happens in privacy.
The problems with "law" may be exaggerated. They are often good story, but still trivial. Some of my quite recent releases have went through US homeland security, where everything is being messed around. The custom officers of Russia had labeled me as "well know distributor of fascist and anti-religious material" and shipped back supposedly illegal material warning receiver they will get in trouble if they continue this. In past I have had minor issues with the law enforcement due nature of films I was importing and they saw it necessary to confiscate and see if there would be court case worth pushing. In field of "transgressive art", I see these really are just footnotes of artist CV, where scandals buys you attention. In cheapest ways. In end, it is utterly meaningless compared to enthusiasm, inspiration and satisfaction. There ain't amount of beastiality court cases what would be greater importance than having album that musically and artistically mattered.
I don't think best quality of for example Con-Dom is the provocation, but sheer intensity, musically unique approach (Act of Faith 3" - try to call that stereotypical pe!) and intelligent substance. It may provoke, but it may also inspire in highly positive manner.
In short: fans & cock-fests, yes thanks.
I just keep slapping my knees when reading this thread today.
It was Dando and Best who elicited thoughtful critical responses on DiS, not all as stupid as 'I'm sad now', and I know both have stated their aim is more than simply to sell records to collectors or indulge in some idiotic notion of 'self-expression' but to somehow change reality. The Con-Dom piece in old Freak Animal magazine he barely talked about the musical content or subject matter, but fixated on the possibilities of real free thought, for himself and audience. See also his quotes at the end of that Taiwan video on youtube. Best in Terroriser mag: "Art's not a fucking mirror": the insinuation is that it's more like a hammer. The boundary between negative provocation and positive inspiration becomes blurred.
DiS thing reminded me of this thread on Albini's site in which someone who really doesn't like the sound of Peter Sotos managed to get discussion and freer exchange of views going - http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2983
Of course provocation can be seen as adolescent. Teenagers today still love to prank call, leave offensive things in streets...I love this tendency in art. Just my personal taste. I've had all sorts of trouble in performances with various acts over the years, gigs that turned into near-riots, shows being stopped, police called. It's seldom fun at the time but feels great to look back on, and something others remember and think about more than 'solid performance, good night, bought the album...'
I'm a collector myself so am fairly hypocritical in these views! A kleptomaniac Russian houseguest stole my copy of Acts of Faith.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 21, 2012, 11:45:57 PM
It was Dando and Best who elicited thoughtful critical responses on DiS, not all as stupid as 'I'm sad now', and I know both have stated their aim is more than simply to sell records to collectors or indulge in some idiotic notion of 'self-expression' but to somehow change reality. The Con-Dom piece in old Freak Animal magazine he barely talked about the musical content or subject matter, but fixated on the possibilities of real free thought, for himself and audience. See also his quotes at the end of that Taiwan video on youtube. Best in Terroriser mag: "Art's not a fucking mirror": the insinuation is that it's more like a hammer. The boundary between negative provocation and positive inspiration becomes blurred.
There is Con-Dom also in SI#5 issue, which isn't so much about music.
Of course this mentioned topic or thoughts they managed to rise, could be their triumph, but all in all, I don't consider it general rule of "what should be".
Perhaps it is based on my own experience. I can't be shocked by noise, so I have to find the other type of value. But of course you're accurate about the blurred boundary.
Any example of negative provocation in industrial/noise/pe? I ask because I can not find such examples.
Judging by the indignation in that LAME DiS thread it just happened. It will happen again when some undesireable fact blows its arse somewhere. Some people say it's not possible to shock and outrage anymore. I disagree. It's probably easier now than ever. There's a severely weakened younger generation that has been raised on - just one example - the idea of everyone being equal. They stamp their feet and holler at the mearest suggestion that reality might be different. The DiS thread is a really good example. I guess in most ways the masses were always stupid enough to be servile towards any bullshit thrown at them but I doubt in the past that they were such pussies as they are today.
My recommendation to all here is keep doing what you're doing. Hone your skills. Chip out a purpose to what you do and what you're going to say. There will never be a shortage of false idols to pound on. Don't let Hongkonggoolies and his ilk bully you into submission. Assume your place and keep walking beside them. Choose your island and all that. It clearly bothers them.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 22, 2012, 11:37:15 AM
When may we talk about provocation? People who are seriously involved in such music / art which destroy status quo mainstreem culture and civilization, in my opinion, shouldn't consider it any actions as examples of postitiv or negative provocations.
I would classify "nagative provocation" by definition: to anger, enrage, exasperate, or vex. which results people to be... well, shocked, provoked. To result reaction, which most of all is like pavlov dogs barking. They see word "nigger" in screen of stage and at 2012 with all recources at their hand they are saddened, confused, outraged. Reaction wasn't even what was actually said nor they have any real interest to further. It is most of all their right to be upset.
I would classify "positive provocation" by definition: to stir up, arouse, or call forth (feelings, desires, or activity). Which results people to be awaken from dullness and dormant state. To result reaction, which is not about your right to be upset, but to find out, to observe, to study. Be enlightened, be awaken.
Lets say, you are listening to Militia back in the day when it wasn't sure if they are "fascist" or what. Very vague, very militaristic materials. You could be upset. You could rant about camo pants and boneheads taking over your previously confortable experimental music scene. Or, you can actually take a look for next release. Check out reference to Bakunin and perhaps go far enough to get book to study some revolutionary russian thinking.
Needless to say which I personally consider better. I don't find provocation worth much, if people are unable to awake, only to remain briefly annoyed. Then even if project can only awake couple fanboys or at worst perhaps merely the creator himself, it's already better.
Why the boundaries could be blurred? Because the same content and action can result the opposite on intent - or simply both at the same time?
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 22, 2012, 03:49:41 PMDon't let Hongkonggoolies and his ilk bully you into submission. Assume your place and keep walking beside them. Choose your island and all that. It clearly bothers them.
WHAAAT? I'd rather hear the most tired and lazy PE/noise or drone/lo-fi than the shit which gets pumped out of the radio. And I have more respect for any independent creator of sound than for those who sit and watch the X Factor. I simply expressed my admiration for the way Con-Dom and CE achieved those negative reactions. Good old fashioned troublemaking. I had such a great time at the one day of BF I went to, really wish I'd seen this Con-Dom set too. I'm not sure I would agree that the younger generation is "severely weakened" and brainwashed, I've worked with some great people in their early twenties lately. DiS is a mainstream music discussion site so attracts people who haven't been exposed to industrial culture or considered music/performance as art and who in some cases were intrigued and willing to engage and think rather than kneejerk responses.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 22, 2012, 04:27:46 PM
I would classify "nagative provocation" by definition: to anger, enrage, exasperate, or vex. which results people to be... well, shocked, provoked. To result reaction, which most of all is like pavlov dogs barking. They see word "nigger" in screen of stage and at 2012 with all recources at their hand they are saddened, confused, outraged. Reaction wasn't even what was actually said nor they have any real interest to further. It is most of all their right to be upset.
I would classify "positive provocation" by definition: to stir up, arouse, or call forth (feelings, desires, or activity). Which results people to be awaken from dullness and dormant state. To result reaction, which is not about your right to be upset, but to find out, to observe, to study. Be enlightened, be awaken.
Lets say, you are listening to Militia back in the day when it wasn't sure if they are "fascist" or what. Very vague, very militaristic materials. You could be upset. You could rant about camo pants and boneheads taking over your previously confortable experimental music scene. Or, you can actually take a look for next release. Check out reference to Bakunin and perhaps go far enough to get book to study some revolutionary russian thinking.
Needless to say which I personally consider better. I don't find provocation worth much, if people are unable to awake, only to remain briefly annoyed. Then even if project can only awake couple fanboys or at worst perhaps merely the creator himself, it's already better.
Why the boundaries could be blurred? Because the same content and action can result the opposite on intent - or simply both at the same time?
Great post, can't disagree with a word of that.
I may have misunderstood you and if I have you have my apologies. We can start over.
To further derail this thread (or maybe not) I've never seen the conflict between commercial pop music and the so called underground. I have no insight into the mechanics of the pop world but I've seen enough fakery, whoredom, dishonesty and nastiness in our part of the duck pond to fill me with disgust. X-Factor, to use an example, is totally outside of what we do and therefore has no effect on us. Some of the dire shit that was given a pass at the BF fest is on the inside and therefore its detrimental effect is real and possibly even accute.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 22, 2012, 11:37:15 AM
Any example of negative provocation in industrial/noise/pe? I ask because I can not find such examples. I know some people who talks about negative provocation which is used by GENOCIDE ORGAN or Peter SOTOS. When may we talk about provocation? People who are seriously involved in such music / art which destroy status quo mainstreem culture and civilization, in my opinion, shouldn't consider it any actions as examples of postitiv or negative provocations.
Since the Debatte is gone way far from The Festival, i think maybe Nice for a New Topic, or maybe not?
In Germoney you have a Long and Intensive History about beeing Negative Provocatet from...nothing. Even in the Small Scenes itself you have Borders, Images and "No Go Areas" without any Sense. For example are there Many Noise~P:e Listeners/Musicians who Boycott/Take Agressive Force against any Kind of Right Winged Images. Its not Relevant if the Project is "real" Right Winged, its enought to Transport hte Images. So the "Just Provocation" Sticker works not well. Ironically it works at the Point, where a Bigger Label is behind it. As Funny Example i have had a Discussion with a "Anti Nazi" Musician and i directed the Discussion to Freak Animal Rex, since the Guy liked the Label (and Specially Haare). So his Problem where then, why could be a Project like Haare can stand next to a Project like Deathkey?
This kind of Onedimensional Thinking is normal and you find it everywhere. The People In the Scene are provocated at all. Think with Pedo Themes are its like Righted Winged, but its easier to find out with Political Matters
In Canada we never get anything resembling the Broken Flag Festival, but last weekend there was a big electro/EBM festival in Montreal called the Kinetik Festival (http://www.festival-kinetik.net/kinetik12_main.htm). This is, sad to say, considered a major event in what many attendees refer to as "the industrial scene" over here. Anyway, on the first night of the festival the headliners were Combichrist and Nachtmahr, and a project called Ad.Ver.Sary was one of the openers. This is a backing video from the Ad.Ver.Sary set:
http://vimeo.com/42322595
Naturally this caused some controversy among people in "the industrial scene", though most people I know in that scene think Ad.Ver.Sary did a great thing by calling out the sexist/racist themes of Combichrist and Nachtmahr. Personally, I think the video is amusing.
To bring this back on topic for SI, I was discussing this with Jairus from Ad.Ver.Sary on Facebook (we used to live in the same city, so I knew him before this incident), and asked him if he had the same condemnation for oppressive themes in actual industrial/noise. This is what he said:
QuoteI think there is value to writing material designed to transgress, and to make people uncomfortable. When Pornography [Is No Longer Enough] is probably one of the best examples of that kind of art. The big difference for me between early industrial / power electronics and what's happening now in the electro-industrial scene is that the current artists have been saying that their art -isn't- transgressive, it -isn't- sexist/racist, which normalizes that sexism and racism. Foetus or TG or SJ never said "oh this is just a homage, don't be offended, I'm not sexist", they -wanted- people to be uncomfortable with what they were doing, for the same reason COUM Transmissions wanted people to be uncomfortable. To hold up a mirror so people would say "this is ugly". Compare with the modern examples, where artists are holding up a mirror that says "this is coooooool".
But this is kind of ironic, because he's more legitimately uncomfortable with the content of a couple dumb dance bands than he is with power electronics that is supposedly designed to make people uncomfortable. Is this then a failure for noise/PE culture, if making people maximally uncomfortable is indeed ever the goal? Is the "ugliness" or "difficulty" of the sound itself actually
comforting to the audience, in that it implicitly negates any potential approval or enjoyment of the offensive subject matter (whereas dance music provides implict approval)? Like Barthes on 'shock photos', "We are in each case dispossessed of our judgment: someone has shuddered for us, reflected for us, judged for us..."
I don't think its Ironic, what the Guy say's.Since TG where called "Wreckagers of Civilsation" CAUSE the People Feared that Someone could think it is Cool, Today all kind of Freaky IS Cool and the same People from the Past fear now to be Uncool. I have had the Discussion about old TG Ideologic in the Past (when it happend) and Today, same with the Start of Black Metal and Now. Its like they "won a War" and where the Loosers in the End. Cause Today all of this is Normal and Accepted. They tried to be not Accepted and Normal at all Costs and then came a Lot of "Fans" and Music Listeners and fucked it up. in the Rock/Hard Rock/Metal Scene or also in the Punk Scene and Today in Goth you can see it perfectly how the Changes are in the End, but the Changing Process are working for nearly 20 Years or more. All the Time where Many Followers who claimed to be "the nice guy" and it worked after long time. If I list some Topics in such Music Scenes who where normaly "No Go Areas" and thinking about that this is Normal Today. Prostitution is Normal in any kind of Way, since the Teens grow up with Cool Sex, Gangbangs, Pornos, Fetish ect ect. You must be into Fetish today in the Mainstream Goth Scene to be Goth. Fetish is no Fetish anymore, its totaly normal Behaviour. In a Brethren Interview where a very good Opinion. He wrote that Power Electronics can be Mainstream in some Years. He's right about it. The Music and the Background is irrelevant, the Image and the Intention is also irrelevant, you can sell everything. Even Controversial Black Metal like Burzum will be Debatted to Death for Moneys Sake. Child Abuse is morely not really a Big Crime here. You will get less Problems like don't paying Taxes. ts Insane but its "normal"
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 23, 2012, 06:27:38 PM
Yes, I know this is funny, but I cannot accept noise/industrial/PE which was created by anyone [...] who produces children
How many cds, lps and tapes do you have to throw out now to stand by that opinion?
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 23, 2012, 06:27:38 PM
Quote from: Brad on May 23, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
But this is kind of ironic, because he's more legitimately uncomfortable with the content of a couple dumb dance bands than he is with power electronics that is supposedly designed to make people uncomfortable. Is this then a failure for noise/PE culture, if making people maximally uncomfortable is indeed ever the goal? Is the "ugliness" or "difficulty" of the sound itself actually comforting to the audience, in that it implicitly negates any potential approval or enjoyment of the offensive subject matter (whereas dance music provides implict approval)? Like Barthes on 'shock photos', "We are in each case dispossessed of our judgment: someone has shuddered for us, reflected for us, judged for us..."
I aggree with that. Besides, I see the power (and the greatest value) of industrial/noise/PE in massive consistency between: art/music-noise-philosophy-psychology-sociology-religion (atheism)-politics-personal experiences. The common point for all of these is metaphysical abhorrence to other people, society, culture, and will to destroy this world. Yes, I know this is funny, but I cannot accept noise/industrial/PE which was created by anyone who I know that he feels shocked by others artists, who represents traditonal system of values, sensitivity, who doesn't want to change the world, who accept this world, who believe in god, family, for whom sex is less important as love, who believe in power of love, who produces children, who doesn't (and doesn't want to) understand serial killers, paedophiles, Jim Jones etc.... I don't believe to noise artists who don't want to destroy themselves, their devices, sound and who don't want to hurt audience, insult them, even if they know that he play for people who love their music. So where we look for provocation? here isn't place for provocation. I don't see provocation here. I demand all of that.
The intention of Noise weren't to provocate or to destroy the World, so why do you now want to Tie it with this? I don't really Understand this, but its the same like all other "Extreme" Music Scenes changed, cause the Fans wanted something different than the Initators. But to be more Detailed lots of Noise Artists have nothing to do with Provocation, Sex, Drugs, Rock'N'Roll or anything like that. I even can't imagine an Asmus Tietchens CD about some Serious Religious Matter with any Praying Intention...
So what's the problem with Combichrist? I took a look at videos on their website & it wasn't anything violent/misogynist but then I didn't look all that hard but the few I did see was scenes from movies.
Tell the Adversary people that it's KU Klux Klan, not Klu Klux Klan.
The specific Combichrist video accused of being oppressive to women is "Throat Full of Glass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z-xdM0-540)" (warning: dorky electro-rock song). It is a very "mainstream" type of exploitative, and I agree that it is completely different in tone for any attempts at provocation I've seen in the noise/PE scene.
I'm sure Ad.Ver.Sary has gotten the Ku/Klu correction many times by now.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 21, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
"Oh goodness. Well I left my camo trousers at home and am a woman so was instantly alienated by this total cock-fest.
Going back to the original post, I'd just like to wonder why she assumes "being a woman" means she automatically must be offended by "provocative" performances by men. I mean, I was also born with a cunt and it certainly hasn't given me any sort of innate moral superiority: I actually find that Victorian strain of gender-essentialist thinking far more offensive than anything I've read about Best's performance. I also attend "cock-fests" on a regular basis and don't feel alienated at all. To each their own, lady.
As far as artists and musicians using "provocative" tactics in their work: I produce my own zine that could be considered to have "provocative" content, and I could frankly churn out a few essays on "provocative/transgressive/controversial" themes and their motives, etc. But I'm too fucking tired right now.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 23, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: Goat93 on May 23, 2012, 07:34:16 PM
The intention of Noise weren't to provocate or to destroy the World, so why do you now want to Tie it with this?
I have different opinion. The intention of Industrial/Noise/PE was always destruction as value, on every level. From the level of science (see LUSTMORD, SCHLOSS TEGAL, CLOCK DVA/TAGC, even WHITEHOUSE), to higer level - philosophy (see lyrics of NEUBAUTENs or NON - only destruction can create something new), to the highest form - ordinary life (HANATARSHI, HIJOKAIDAN, COSTES, SCHIMPFLUCH-GRUPPE, The EUGENICS COUNCIL and many many others), not mention apoclyptic visions of CURRENT 93/NWW, from idea of cut-ups, which was a tool to destroy language, to concepts of cultural terrorism of The GREY WOLVES. Yes, DEATH - is a value, death of mankind, and death of society. This is very clear for me, but I don't want to take pleasure in having your vision of this problem away.
You put Industrial Noise and P:e together. But Noise is not Industrial. It works when you Put Industrial/P:e together and left Noise out. Noise where Influenced from Dada and often a further Going from krautrock/Psychedelic Rock. Specially Japannoise is famous for that. Other Way where the Soundart Stuff who just experiments with Sounds at it is or broke up Music into Sounds. Or the Science/Math Ways. But all of them have nothing to do with World Destruction or Provocations at all. In Noise the Sound itself is Important. In Industrial (and later power Electronics) the Message is more Important than the Sound, the Sound is just a Tool/Vehicle. Or maybe better said, Noise is from the Meaning of the Word itself and should be handled as this.
You can surely put any kind of Story into it, but in Noise mustn't be these Themes. Can, but must not. You can also enjoy a Musical Diploma Work about the Math Calculation of Notes in 3D Room and Relax without fear the Armageddon.
Quote from: Brad on May 23, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
http://vimeo.com/42322595
this video could fit straight in the this week pc faggotry discussion
One could say the old noise was far more often provocative than now. Lets look at the kind of "new wave of american noise" ? Or lets check Japanese noise outside the single hermits and outsiders?
I think the complexity of value systems around, and difference now in 2012 or lets say 1982, what is the prevailing value to be destroyed, can be tricky? We can see projects like Brethren for example, who are in my opinion delivering utmost dissent in contemporary underground. His message on race, nation, education, drugs, culture, family, etc are very different from project such as... Lets see... Barrikad? Militia? And most certainly quite different from most anyways. If they are nearly opposites, what is their relation to society?
Now, when urban youth culture is no more transgressive subculture, but actually pretty much prevailing reality that operates in all levels, be it sexuality, media, lifestyles, entertainment, substance use, religion/spirituality (lack of it?), etc. etc.. What was destructive strike against society in 1982, maybe be simply swimming with the current in 2012. Therefore simply destruction itself, without any idea what is there to be found, appears lazy and dull. The simple laws - even from misconceptions a'la law of strong has been already proven untrue and inaccurate. To destroy and to oppose "world", seems impossible, as you will remain part of it whatever the choice. Slightly enlightened or thoughtful "pro" something, feels much more crucial than endless "anti" something.
Of course, I'm quite sure the cultural climate and "mainstream" in Poland can be very different from Finland for example.
So is the guy with a gun pointed at two Slimelight sluts a Combichrist video? A hint of Forced Entry on a higher budget with more glamorous looking people. Assuming it's set to a pumping electronic discobeat. I've always avoided Conbichrist like the plague but I'd give that a chance.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 24, 2012, 01:48:30 PM
These terrorists set up dualism based on black-white world by using politics but many artists refuse this rhetoric, instead of that, they use more metaphysical and philosphical aspects, but still they don't accept this world, as RAF and BREIVIK. I guess that MILITIA and BRETHREN only seemingly differ from themselves. I don't care so much how they see this world, the most important is their riot because this is more universal and mystic problem for me.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 24, 2012, 01:03:05 PM
Therefore simply destruction itself, without any idea what is there to be found, appears lazy and dull.
It depends on how we see an idea. Doing something without an idea is something like NIHILISM. Nihilism is very important in my life and I consider this view as one of the most important in art and philosophy. In my opinion, and I use this rule in my view on art, the question of lazy and dull doesn't lie in an idea or lack of idea, but in artist's passion and sensitivity.
To some level I do understand and accept the glorification of action and tumult as itself. That revolt against the world - whatever it would be - could be common denominator. But I think it remains very superficial if aim + result is not considered and valued.
Like the DEATH in Atrax Morgues work is different that DEATH in Genocide Organ? Simply to file it all under tumult against the world we know, would make it impotent of real meaning. Therefore value and take on the world can be found and one can easily value if artists passion and sensitivity caused some real insight or offered substance or at least inspiration what allowed listener to create some by themselves.
I firmly believe noise is all about idea or being able to notice idea when it is passing by. Anyone with gear can make some. Just like photography as well. Anyone can push a button, but it requires much much more to have idea or see potential for one when flow of free-form sounds(/images) are passing by. One can call this quality passion or sensitivity, but those would be intrinsicly tied to idea.
In the old school fascism, "men of action", was in dominant role. Do first, think later. It works for art as well, rejecting dusty academic stagnancy, breaking free with mere tumult against something - but it hardly helps if one never looks back at reasons and achievements - or lack of them.
In nihilism, we can see various traits.
Metaphysical nihilism could deny possibility to really know anything about... well anything.
Moral nihilism would deny existence of moral - its validity at least in universal sense.
Political nihilism tends to reject society as utterly corrupt
etc.
There has been published in Finland book which translation pretty well sums of the reality: "Couldn't Care Less". It makes rought separation of two forms of nihilism: active and passive. In active nihilism, we deny values and cynicism is the potent tool for victory, while in passive nihilism, the same cynicism spreads to deal with everybody and everything.
Even the good old Friedrich Nietzsche, perhaps the biggest character to be associated with nihilism, believed that nihilism is the passing phase which is necessary to get over. And also presented ideas what would be necessary for masses to get over the nihilism (caused by corruption of christianity) and I fully agree that. Passive nihilism as end of all, results most often what the kids today like to say: "Couldn't care less!" -attitude. And people who couldn't care less are often the most lazy, dull, uninteresting, shallow human waste I revolt against. That nihilism, is the nihilism of victims of slave moral.
This is very close to difference of positive and negative provocation as well.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 24, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
We back to terms and differences between industrial and noise again... I think you mean about industrial avantgarde of rock music when you say "industrial", aren't you? Do you see differences between CABARET VOLTAIRE and SPK? Both is so called industrial, but they created different music, yeah? Do you see differences between NON and The HATERS from beginning of 80s? NON is "industrial" or noise? Not only NOISE comes from dada or krautrock. These genres was main influence for so called industrial too (see for example mentioned CABARET VOLTAIRE, NWW, NEUBAUTENS, BCO, and many, many other, not so much well known projects). NOISE (I usually add INDUSTRIAL yet) is the most extreme sub-genre of INDUSTRIAL MUSIC. I consider such groups like TG, SPK, CAVS, CLOCK DVA, EN, LAIBACH, TEST DEPT as industrial avantgarde of rock music, not INDUSTRIAL MUSIC (though TG used this term for them in 1976).
I think your neologism "industrial avant-garde of rock" is a useful concept, but saying TG and Cabaret Voltiare were never INDUSTRIAL MUSIC goes against 35 years of consensus and is going to confuse everyone. Why would a noise artist be more worthy of being called "industrial" than the artists who actually established the term?
I generally really like the "industrial avant-garde of rock" bands. I wish I could find more current music like that.
Quote from: tiny_tove on May 24, 2012, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: Brad on May 23, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
http://vimeo.com/42322595
this video could fit straight in the this week pc faggotry discussion
Though it is completely fair to do a public announcement warning for Combichrist and their ilk. Perhaps not for using "shocking" content & language. Can't they just stick to their pseudo-fascist nostalgia?
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 24, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Goat93 on May 24, 2012, 09:16:47 AM
You put Industrial Noise and P:e together. But Noise is not Industrial.
We back to terms and differences between industrial and noise again... I think you mean about industrial avantgarde of rock music when you say "industrial", aren't you? Do you see differences between CABARET VOLTAIRE and SPK? Both is so called industrial, but they created different music, yeah? Do you see differences between NON and The HATERS from beginning of 80s? NON is "industrial" or noise? Not only NOISE comes from dada or krautrock. These genres was main influence for so called industrial too (see for example mentioned CABARET VOLTAIRE, NWW, NEUBAUTENS, BCO, and many, many other, not so much well known projects). NOISE (I usually add INDUSTRIAL yet) is the most extreme sub-genre of INDUSTRIAL MUSIC. I consider such groups like TG, SPK, CAVS, CLOCK DVA, EN, LAIBACH, TEST DEPT as industrial avantgarde of rock music, not INDUSTRIAL MUSIC (though TG used this term for them in 1976).
You write that for NOISE the messege isn't important. I don't think so. Were The NEW BLOCKADERS noise group or industrial? If noise, they used manifestos about anti-art, but this "anti..." was message... They saw in destruction process for tool, method and the value, on the level of creation, and on the level of culture/art. Didn't MERZBOW use a message? His fascination to SCUM idea, dead devices, not-well worked products of our civilization, and confrontation various cultures what is a source for start destruction everywhere... This was and still is clear message of MERZBOW, doesn't you see that? Is HANATARASH noise or industrial? Doesn't see and hear in his art fascination to destruction? Isn't there any message? Today noise artists? Probably they use more destruction and apocalyptic idea than so called "stars" in history. Death, war, sickness and atrophy are still important sources for many acts, do you want to mention all of them? I don't say that ALL noise artists clearly use this themes or they believe in apocalypse. Many of them don't use that, but, for me, is something like subconscious and multilayered construction in ART as language to communicate between artist and receiver. If VOMIR don't use any messege, this isn't mean for me that his music doesn't describe this state of agony. This is on metaphysical and abstract level. Why? Because, if artist destroys the sound, changes the real construction and sonic colour, if uses natural or synthetic noise (which is itself an enemy for people considering dangerous for health its technical parameters) this isn't random situation. This has a background...
You Point all to "Music", you ask me about Differences in the Music....but Noise isn't Music, it is Noise. And here we have the Point about it. Noise have not Poped Up after TG get Famous. You can see it with TG (or SPK or or or). First they were Active Art People, later they were Musicians. The Change from Art to just Music came from the Listeners. In my Eyes the "Provocation" and the "Danger" seen from normal Public went down, when an Artist came from Activity and End into Music. But Noise weren't nailed on a single Term or to some Names like Industrial. Btw. When Neubauten maked their Music, Industrial as itself where already dead and Neubauten wheren't Revoluzzer at all, Art Students fits just better. Your Saying about not Accepting a Noise Artist is in my Eyes Contrary to noise itself, you try to nail it to some minimal Topics and try to Classify this with some Projects. But after all, this Artists aren't only focused on some Negative Topics. Merzbow for example went more and more in the opposite Direction within the Music and if you want to nail it really, which Noise Artist is Serious focused in this Topics? Is a English Teacher, who now gives Seminars to Business Class a real Serious Power Electronics Guy? Whats with Euler-Donnersperg or already named Asmus Tietchens or Kontakt der Jünglinge. All not Serious Artists, cause they are not Negative enought?
Take a Whitehouse CD and imagine it without Lyrics, is it Power Electronics anymore? Do you feel a Destructive Message, a Negative Approach from it or is it just....Noise Sounds? As i wrote before you CAN take a Message but you MUSTN'T. And thats quiet a difference. A whole Instrumental SoundScape Album (Without Artwork ect, just the Music itself) is Serious Noise, but can such a Instrumental Soundscape Album be Power Electronics? And when Yes, why? Its no Provocation on it and you must find out the Message for yourself...or just enjoy the Sound...
But maybe you can tell me which Negative, Sexistic, provocative and Destructive Message have the Black Album from Boyd Rice?
Quote from: Mme Deficit on May 24, 2012, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 21, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
"Oh goodness. Well I left my camo trousers at home and am a woman so was instantly alienated by this total cock-fest.
Going back to the original post, I'd just like to wonder why she assumes "being a woman" means she automatically must be offended by "provocative" performances by men. I mean, I was also born with a cunt and it certainly hasn't given me any sort of innate moral superiority: I actually find that Victorian strain of gender-essentialist thinking far more offensive than anything I've read about Best's performance. I also attend "cock-fests" on a regular basis and don't feel alienated at all. To each their own, lady.
I guess she just didn't enjoy the show and then thought for a lame reason to justify the instinctive dislike afterwards. I remember doing this myself when drone act Vibracathedral Orchestra were successful a few years ago, even though I knew the people involved and have enjoyed some of their other stuff it just didn't do it for me. Ended up ranting in clueless way about sell-out and cliche, see ancient Muckraker interview http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LhuXcQK6rNQ/SYDR4vBq6wI/AAAAAAAAADQ/H08byzICHnA/s1600/m6.jpg - not my finest moment! Still love the Milovan quote though.
Taste and aesthetics are so fucking subjective, we either like something or we don't and our reasons and justifications for it are pretty much bullshit. "The loudest voices getting heard the most" - PB.
Goat93 how come you've randomly capitalised loads of words in your posts?
Ok, i think we should Stop Conversation.
Merzbow have no Elements of traditional/psychedelic/rock music. Neubauten are Revoluzzer and Negative, Asmus Tietchens must be Serial killer Fan to be serious but he is Serious cause he makes another kind of Noise, but Noise must be Negative and Destructive to be serious. You can feel the Intention of the Music, even if its just Randomly Noise (as it is often in nOise btw.). Industrial Groups aren't Industrial, cause it fits better with minimal techno....
Sorry Guy, i don't know you and maybe its missreading but your talk here is too much for me :)
So, no offend but we should Stop it seriously.
???? Who are you replying to and what are you on about??
Is this supposed to be ironic/sarcastic? -
QuoteMerzbow have no Elements of traditional/psychedelic/rock music. Neubauten
Quote from: Cementimental on May 27, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
???? Who are you replying to and what are you on about??
Is this supposed to be ironic/sarcastic? -
QuoteMerzbow have no Elements of traditional/psychedelic/rock music. Neubauten
I answered to a Post from ImpulsyStetoskopu, but it seems he erased all his Posts. I havn't quoted it like the other ones before, so now my Post doesn't make any Sense at all. Sorry for that.
Strange move since he was one of the main spokesman of topic. And I do see the point in most of them, although would not necessary agree. It may be issue of how much you can change the meaning of word/term/genre to your own vision and rejecting what it is generally considered to be?
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 27, 2012, 12:45:55 PM
Strange move since he was one of the main spokesman of topic. And I do see the point in most of them, although would not necessary agree. It may be issue of how much you can change the meaning of word/term/genre to your own vision and rejecting what it is generally considered to be?
Exactly, but not only. I erased that because I wrote that to initiate a discussion, not stupid bullshit. Maybe I treated this place so much seriously, nevermind. Anyway, I will try to be more good-tempered in the future.
"Anyway, I will try to be more good-tempered in the future."
Fuck that.
Get angry, get mean, say what you want, and say it MEAN!
One of the most stunning and memorable noise performances I've ever seen was a Dave Philips set as part of a Schimpfluch joint tour in about 2005. He had a backdrop of abbatoir slaughterhouse and animal experimentation footage, really grim and brutal and bloody material. His sound sources seemed to be entirely contact microphones in and around his mouth which was semi taped shut - he paced around more and more disturbed making incoherent sounds, sounding distressed but unable to speak, discomfort apparent on his face. It came to a climax, sudden stop and a screen appeared on the projector "This is not (just) about animal rights, it is about power differentials" (or something like that).
You couldn't really make light of it, although people tried saying 'who wants a bacon sandwich then, haha'. Unbearably intense and troubling performance. The atmosphere completely changed in the room afterwards. No longer 'those fun crazy Schimpfluch guys' but feelings of upset all round.
Not much interest in animal rights or much 'political' noise here myself but fuck, that was a show which used provocation to full advantage.
There is inbuild instinct that most people feel unconfortable with death/torture/mistreatment of innocent. Crying baby sound will be stressful for most, and animals howling from pain perhaps very similar.
Some people may remember "TRUE GORE" video? Monte Cazazza, Psychic TV and the rest involved. While genital piercing rituals and such are like contemporary pop culture now, the footage of animal experiments hardly gets old. It's as brutal as it ever was.
It has probably more to do with people being so distant from it. Either never wanting to really think what their food and clothing supply requires to happen, but also being perhaps unable to see what is honorable & necessary death and what is like cold fun of boys drowning cats. I don't think the death itself would be provocative at all, but the mockery and disrespectful malicious intent suddenly makes it all very disturbing. I personally don't associated food culture among the malicious intent, but I'm 100% sure, that if one would want to have "negative provocation" within industrial circles, all you need to do is project animal trampling fetish videos on big screen and very very few of the die hard industrial freaks will remain untouched by brutality of it. At least that's my assumption. It would be at the same time tasteless, but also extremely brutal and effective. I'm sure at least some people on the forum are familiar with the genre and don't think there is many who can say they will look at the filth from perspective of pure pleasure. Probably most of all morbid curiosity?
Some things just affect people. Cynicism and nervous psuedo-humour are just two examples of how people react. To genuinely allow yourself to feel the inspired emotion is something that may seem uncomfortable to people who don't like having their emotions manipulated, like me, but it's honest.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 28, 2012, 03:10:18 PM
if one would want to have "negative provocation" within industrial circles, all you need to do is project animal trampling fetish videos on big screen and very very few of the die hard industrial freaks will remain untouched by brutality of it.
I thought it was bizarre that Peter Sotos's "Show Adult" (which I think more and more is his best book) received several negative reactions from his tiny fanbase due to the descriptions of animal torture videos in there. They tolerated years of paedophilia, wallowing in racist impulses, depressing toilet sex and all manner of unpleasantness, but for some this was the last straw.
QuoteCrying baby sound will be stressful for most, and animals howling from pain perhaps very similar.
I remember an extremely intoxicated Toby Dammit, on his first public gig, playing high pitch feedback and loops of crying babies. People did throw some glasses at him but i'm not sure this counts as provocation.
Quoteall you need to do is project animal trampling fetish videos on big screen and very very few of the die hard industrial freaks will remain untouched by brutality of it
Yes, i'm absolutely sure of this! Everybody loves cute puppies with big disney eyes, including me of course. Change the object of torture/exploitation to an octopus and most people will magically not be offended anymore.
Curiously the one guy who did that animal trampling magazine and some art videos by himself, was projected in movie festivals - including one in Finland. He set the limit to trampling worms and at hardest newborn mice, which supposedly were unable to feel pain. His art vid shot on film and shown at festivals was barefoot worm squishing, I guess.
Still FBI raided his studio and got rid of all the footage.
The more blatant and perverse videos of course raised some interests. Amusingly titled "Who killed roger rabbit" for sale at 140 USD per download or/and CDR with the file sent to you, naturally would be like magnet for those with morbid curiosity. Who's pay 140 USD for high heel crushing on rabbit duct taped to flood? Not me. But when option was to get dozens of the videos for free of charge, could I say no? Of course not.
The japanese artists who does the XXX films series with all sorts of worms, bugs, fish, octopus, etc.. I guess one may know what I talk about? In his interview with Vice mag he mentioned that first video in series (with dog) made him sad and feeling he exploited. Following parts, not at all. He felt it was more of food games. Inserting 100 baby eels up your ass - perhaps it is food games!
HongKingGoolagong's Sotos story doesn't surprise me a bit. I would assume big part of the transgressive underground is most of all dissatisfied with human species. In this bitter state any mistreatment of human race appears justified and perhaps entertaining. It requires animal sacrifice to remind the how true suffering and death is.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 28, 2012, 07:52:25 PM
He set the limit to trampling worms and at hardest newborn mice, which supposedly were unable to feel pain. His art vid shot on film and shown at festivals was barefoot worm squishing, I guess.
Still FBI raided his studio and got rid of all the footage.
I have one american movie (probably this same as you mentioned) in my collection which was produced for fetishist's woman feet. She squishes (in stockings, and without them) various animals, from worms to mice (but not only newborn mice). There are sounds of golden hits from 70s and 80s. In the end of 90s I used this movie for the first live show VILGOĆ - Polish noise industrial (now HNW) act during one day multimedia festival in Legnica. Many people were shocked and gone out (or closed eyes and ears).
A bit of a late entry, but a couple notes. First, and I may be playing a bit fast and loose with the word "provocation" here, but I wouldn't think it controversial to suggest that few readily embrace the possibility of being provoked – present company most assuredly included. Take the phrase "I tend to avoid that kind of thing." Well, what I am tending to do here is to avoid the possibility of being provoked. If I have some inkling as to what's coming, and I pursue it anyway, then the "provocation" is to be had on largely agreeable terms; hardly a provocation. Applied to noise/pe, perhaps the only real provocateurs would be organizers who, say, deliberately book performers like Hijokaidan at jazz festivals; or perhaps the mischievous friend who knowingly invites another whose sense of taste may stand to be fouled by paying witness to such performers in action.
Nevertheless, I think a performance (or re-presentation) of provocation can be had if there stands a chance that something or someone is going to be damaged; emotionally, physically, financially, whatever. Especially in a "community" where practically everyone knows everyone else. An extreme example might be where the performer, of whom I may have considerable respect, suddenly offs and kills himself. In such an instance I wouldn't know whether to laugh, cry, cheer, or stroke my chin*. I am provoked because I don't have any internalized script on how to react.
Note that in my view damage need not actually transpire; but rather, at some instance, the seeming possibility that it might. A more probable example might be back in the late 90's when I caught Death Squad in Toronto...
It's a small venue and things are already a bit surreal after the owner, at the behest of paying bar patrons upstairs, comes down and castrates Knurl by turning him down in mid-set... I'm already bit provoked you could say... So here's MK9, three feet away, hacking away at his forearm with a straight razor. I want to cheer but I'm not sure I should. In fact, it pops into my somewhat adled brain, I barely know this guy. Who knows what he's capable of? And at that moment, of course, the performance, and the provocation, could be said to succeed. Later audience reaction furthers the point. Knurl's girl shivers and confides, "I never could stand self-mutilation." I remain silent; I've indulged in something of the same style of "performance" myself – if not in a noise/pe setting. Her unsettlement actually unsettles me more; because it makes me look back on my own indulgences a little more critically. At the end of the evening, the provocation is more or less complete. Well done.
* the Japanese word for "penis"
[edited before my punctuation provokes reply from the grammar nazi]
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 01, 2012, 10:12:53 AM
Nevertheless, I think a performance (or re-presentation) of provocation can be had if there stands a chance that something or someone is going to be damaged; emotionally, physically, financially, whatever. Especially in a "community" where practically everyone knows everyone else. An extreme example might be where the performer, of whom I may have considerable respect, suddenly offs and kills himself. In such an instance I wouldn't know whether to laugh, cry, cheer, or stroke my chin*. I am provoked because I don't have any internalized script on how to react.
I share your opinion. I could say more, I demand (as audience) to be provoked (in positive or negative way, whatever it means)... Even then, when my body loses control (usually I black out then) during body art performances, seeing real blood or piercing. I like this state of my mind, when I am shocked (out of my control) though earlier I knew what will happen.
Hi, everybody.
I guess you may like this stuff:
http://metacultura.com.ar/pornografia/
All about the sound aspects of Peter Sotos' work.
It's written in Spanish, but by using the Google translator it can be easily read.
Have fun!