Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on May 24, 2012, 01:48:30 PM
These terrorists set up dualism based on black-white world by using politics but many artists refuse this rhetoric, instead of that, they use more metaphysical and philosphical aspects, but still they don't accept this world, as RAF and BREIVIK. I guess that MILITIA and BRETHREN only seemingly differ from themselves. I don't care so much how they see this world, the most important is their riot because this is more universal and mystic problem for me.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 24, 2012, 01:03:05 PM
Therefore simply destruction itself, without any idea what is there to be found, appears lazy and dull.
It depends on how we see an idea. Doing something without an idea is something like NIHILISM. Nihilism is very important in my life and I consider this view as one of the most important in art and philosophy. In my opinion, and I use this rule in my view on art, the question of lazy and dull doesn't lie in an idea or lack of idea, but in artist's passion and sensitivity.
To some level I do understand and accept the glorification of action and tumult as itself. That revolt against the world - whatever it would be - could be common denominator. But I think it remains very superficial if aim + result is not considered and valued.
Like the DEATH in Atrax Morgues work is different that DEATH in Genocide Organ? Simply to file it all under tumult against the world we know, would make it impotent of real meaning. Therefore value and take on the world can be found and one can easily value if artists passion and sensitivity caused some real insight or offered substance or at least inspiration what allowed listener to create some by themselves.
I firmly believe noise is all about idea or being able to notice idea when it is passing by. Anyone with gear can make some. Just like photography as well. Anyone can push a button, but it requires much much more to have idea or see potential for one when flow of free-form sounds(/images) are passing by. One can call this quality passion or sensitivity, but those would be intrinsicly tied to idea.
In the old school fascism, "men of action", was in dominant role. Do first, think later. It works for art as well, rejecting dusty academic stagnancy, breaking free with mere tumult against something - but it hardly helps if one never looks back at reasons and achievements - or lack of them.
In nihilism, we can see various traits.
Metaphysical nihilism could deny possibility to really know anything about... well anything.
Moral nihilism would deny existence of moral - its validity at least in universal sense.
Political nihilism tends to reject society as utterly corrupt
etc.
There has been published in Finland book which translation pretty well sums of the reality: "Couldn't Care Less". It makes rought separation of two forms of nihilism: active and passive. In active nihilism, we deny values and cynicism is the potent tool for victory, while in passive nihilism, the same cynicism spreads to deal with everybody and everything.
Even the good old Friedrich Nietzsche, perhaps the biggest character to be associated with nihilism, believed that nihilism is the passing phase which is necessary to get over. And also presented ideas what would be necessary for masses to get over the nihilism (caused by corruption of christianity) and I fully agree that. Passive nihilism as end of all, results most often what the kids today like to say: "Couldn't care less!" -attitude. And people who couldn't care less are often the most lazy, dull, uninteresting, shallow human waste I revolt against. That nihilism, is the nihilism of victims of slave moral.
This is very close to difference of positive and negative provocation as well.
