Talking with many guys about current situation in noise. Who and where are the "real" distributors of noise releases? Places where you don't only get couple random releases, but quite large selection of material? There used to be a lot of distributors. Almost every country would have someone selling decent selection. Now when I take a look in Sweden, certainly bands and labels yet... who distributes? One vinyl distro? Is that it?
In Finland, well, obviously Freak Animal, but smaller ones like Obscurex and Filth & Violence (who focuses mostly on his own, but also closely related items). Denmark? Norway?! Russia?! Latvia? Estonia? Lithuania has Autarkeia and Terror. Poland? Germany has Tesco, Rumpsti Pumsti, Loki Foundation... UK has Unrest, Cold Spring, Peripheral,... 2nd Layers still? more? France... Nuit & Bruillard is still slowly operating. Metamkine? Who else? Italy has Old Europa Cafe, and several more.. Still a lot of european countries to mention.. USA.. RRR, Phage, Malignant and .. and.. Who's there anymore? Self Abuse doesn't appear very active, but still is there. Many others appear to have dropped whole distribution thing and focus on putting out releases. Japan has NEdS and Lust Vessel (for few selected titles). And I'm thinking... Is this all?
Reminders who is out there, with distributions. Be no shy with direct links.
And to clarify: Not just distrolist of your own releases and two releases of your buddies, but DISTRIBUTORS!
I'll update the opening message with contact details etc...
FINLAND
Freak Animal www.cfprod.com/fa
Obscurex http://obscurex.org/
Filth & Violence www.filthandviolence.biz/
SWEDEN
Millstone www.millstonevinyl.se/
NORWAY
?
LITHUANIA
Terror www.terror.lt
Autarkeia www.autarkeia.org/
POLAND
Rage In Eden http://rageineden.org/
GERMANY
TESCO www.tesco-germany.com/
RUMPSTI PUMSTI www.rumpsti-pumsti.com/
Ars Macabre http://www.arsmacabre.de
FRANCE
Metamkine www.metamkine.com/
Nuit Et Bruillard http://www.nuitetbrouillard.com/
ITALY
Old Europa Cafe www.oldeuropacafe.com/
Ars Benevola Mater http://www.arsbenevolamater.com/
UK
Unrest www.unrestproductions.co.uk/
Turgid Animal www.mutant-ape.co.uk/
Cold Spring www.coldspring.co.uk
Peripheral www.peripheralrecords.co.uk/
USA
RRR www.rrrecords.com
Malignant www.malignantrecords.com/
Phage tapes phagetapes.blogspot.com/
Speaker Fire http://www.speakerfire.com/
JAPAN
NEdS www.neds-records.com/
Lust Vessel http://lustvesseldistribution.blogspot.fi/
Art Into Life www.art-into-life.com/
HONG KONG
Other Musick
I don't know how picky you are with the term "noise" but if more hmmm... openminded:
http://www.art-into-life.com/ (Japan)
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on May 03, 2013, 11:49:28 PM
I don't know how picky you are with the term "noise" but if more hmmm... openminded:
http://www.art-into-life.com/ (Japan)
I recommend too!
Malignant. He's become more varied, or at least held on to his interests and continued to trade/distro many of them. I wish he'd branch out into more experimental areas again, like he did back in the early Audio Drudge days, but that might be more to do with those labels not interested in trading than with him unwilling to deal with them.
Tedium House has a relatively nice selection, too.
(are there any good neo-folk distros in the USA?)
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on May 03, 2013, 11:49:28 PM
I don't know how picky you are with the term "noise" but if more hmmm...
Lets say that distributors who have mostly noise/noisy/industrial/expeirmental.
Not for example goth or metal or punk distro who has couple noisy records.
No EBM industrial distros who have couple of Genocide Organ on the side.
Best is to write short description what type of distro it is. You know, "wide selection of ambient CD's, not tapes, no vinyl, very little of noise" -type.. Or "neo folk / martial industrial label with some noise & pe too"
Didn't know Ars Macabre is still going! Bought some stuff from them back in 1998 or so..
HANSON RECORDS (USA)
BIMBO TOWER (France)
MONOCHROME VISION (Russia)
I think... more reminders before I make further updates..
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 04, 2013, 08:42:12 AM
Didn't know Ars Macabre is still going! Bought some stuff from them back in 1998 or so..
I contacted them last year because I wanted to buy some records, but never heard back. So I'd guess they aren't going anymore and just have the website still up?
AUSTRIA: STEINKLANG.AT http://www.steinklang.at/shop/ (http://www.steinklang.at/shop/) - Their own productions are more Neo Folk/Ritual, but they distribute a good amout of PE and noise (a bunch of other avantgarde music styles too).
GERMANY: SKULLLINE http://www.skullline.de/catalog/index.php?osCsid=0ufkngb0dvr1nif2usad2vsrd2 (http://www.skullline.de/catalog/index.php?osCsid=0ufkngb0dvr1nif2usad2vsrd2) Label mostly focussed on selling totally overpriced CD-Rs, but due to the rather big noise section I guess it qualifies.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 03, 2013, 09:28:17 PMNow when I take a look in Sweden, certainly bands and labels yet... who distributes? One vinyl distro? Is that it?
Millstone already mentioned, but Järtecknet seems to develop a small distribution section as well: http://www.järtecknet.se
Then there is Börft of course: http://www.borft.com
Harbinger Sound in the UK have started distributing Vinyl On Demand boxes as well as selected CD's .. They have a facebook page for contact.
Has Second Layer Records in London ceased to exist??
For USA an essential mention is Mimaroglu Music Sales (http://www.mimaroglumusicsales.com).
There is Beast of Prey in Poland. Though it's mostly ambient, neoclassical, but there is noise from +- famous labels. Mostly CDs, but there is some merchandise too. No tapes I think and I didn't see any vinyls too. Link: http://beastofprey.com/ (http://beastofprey.com/)
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
Has Second Layer Records in London ceased to exist??
The physical store has unfortunately closed, I used to love going there. Still online though.
If you can keep an open mind, Gilgongo Records (http://gilgongorecords.com) is a friend and good source for basically anything and everything. Plus John Wiese drew the logo, so that's saying something.
www.soundohm.com in Italy have a great selection.
Ufa Muzak from Russia has some noise releases http://ufa-muzak.narod.ru/
Quote from: Mattias G on May 04, 2013, 08:10:14 PM
www.soundohm.com in Italy have a great selection.
At least in my case they were very slow and I never received one of the items but great selection nevertheless.
I think Untergeschoss (from Finland) should also be listed.
http://untergeschoss.blogspot.fi/
Quite minimal selection but at least good stuff and all the releases are top notch!
Is White Centipede Noise still active? His blog hasn't been updated since summer '12. He carried quite a few titles. Maybe he is neglecting the blog; hope he hasn't ceased activity.
Is Fusetron still around? I know I've looked at his site but not sure how much noise he carries.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 05, 2013, 01:05:20 AM
Is White Centipede Noise still active? His blog hasn't been updated since summer '12. He carried quite a few titles. Maybe he is neglecting the blog; hope he hasn't ceased activity.
Is Fusetron still around? I know I've looked at his site but not sure how much noise he carries.
I did an order with WCN a month or two ago. He took a little bit to respond, and a couple of items listed on the site were out of stock, but he's still going.
Norway / /
LOOOP
http://www.freewebstore.org/looop/index.aspx?pageid=1000155 (http://www.freewebstore.org/looop/index.aspx?pageid=1000155)
In addition to a label and press I am developing, Where frost reign, I run a small distro with handpicked items within music, art and literature.
http://wherefrostreignhangar.tumblr.com/ (http://wherefrostreignhangar.tumblr.com/)
Used to be a really good noise/experimental distro in Northern Norway. Cannot remember the name now. Maybe Marhaug have a clue?
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on May 04, 2013, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Mattias G on May 04, 2013, 08:10:14 PM
www.soundohm.com in Italy have a great selection.
At least in my case they were very slow and I never received one of the items but great selection nevertheless
Despite the odd diplomacy and humor ("they have everything! but they only send you some things."), I'm going to take that as code for "Soundohm are ripoffs." Unless I'm running into a bit of dementia, that's the only possible way to read your experience. Fuck that. Fuck them.
QuoteDespite the odd diplomacy and humor ("they have everything! but they only send you some things."), I'm going to take that as code for "Soundohm are ripoffs." Unless I'm running into a bit of dementia, that's the only possible way to read your experience. Fuck that. Fuck them.
In my experience he's not a ripoff, he's "just" very disorganized (by his own admission). Granted, that doesn't matter if you don't get something you've paid for. But I would've thought he'd have sent that item separately that he didn't include (mentioned in a previous post)... Soundohm's record in my case: forgetting to include items, including stuff again that I already got the last time, and even forgetting to send a package once. However, I keep ordering from him because I can withhold payment until I receive everything; he also has a huge selection (although there's little overlap with this forum's genres) and mainly because beyond a certain amount, he sends packages via free registered post worldwide. If I didn't have these reasons, I wouldn't bother, but as it is, for me it's worth ordering from him.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 04, 2013, 12:12:24 AM
(are there any good neo-folk distros in the USA?)
i believe that i heard a guy from the band Cult of Youth opened up a place in the bushwick neighborhood of Brooklyn that is supposed to have a quite good selection of such things, including some noise and industrial (bought all of Hospitals shit from them when they closed shop). That is where my info stops though, they might still be open though
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 05, 2013, 04:17:23 AM
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on May 04, 2013, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Mattias G on May 04, 2013, 08:10:14 PM
www.soundohm.com in Italy have a great selection.
At least in my case they were very slow and I never received one of the items but great selection nevertheless
Despite the odd diplomacy and humor ("they have everything! but they only send you some things."), I'm going to take that as code for "Soundohm are ripoffs." Unless I'm running into a bit of dementia, that's the only possible way to read your experience. Fuck that. Fuck them.
I think I should clear my post a little. I did in fact receive the item but it was defective and despite many promises, he didn't send me a replacement product. But then again, in the end it all comes down to pretty much same conclusion. I mean, even though I received the item, what can I do with it if I can't play it. On the bright side, I just recently ordered something from the label of who released the item and mentioned them about the defective product and they promised to include some extra into my order so now it's all good.
So, if you are willing to wait month or two and be lied at, then order from SoundOhm but if you think that's bs, then don't even bother. I think I had enough of them but in case they have something that I'm not able to find elsewhere, I would place an order.
Quote from: KMusselman on May 04, 2013, 10:50:47 PM
QuoteDidn't know Ars Macabre is still going! Bought some stuff from them back in 1998 or so..
the last catalog update was 15.02.2012 so, not sure if they are still going. being an international forum, surely someone knows?
have ordered 3 Weeks ago some Muslimgauze CDs, so they are active. The Online Mailorder is also Up to Date, but no News Section. He sells also on Discogs. Is one of the Best Places to go in Rostock.
Germany:
http://www.diestadtmusik.de/mail_order.html
http://www.90-prozent-wasser.de/shop.html
http://www.aufabwegen.de/catalog
http://www.mndr.de/shop/index.php
I am pretty much a regular customer at Soundohm, but living in the same city I have the chance of going directly to his warehouse when making my purchases, so I have never experienced the kind of problems you guys are talking about. What I can say is that the guy running it is extremely kind and an overall good bloke, a very decent fellow, so I'm inclined to think that all his mistakes are done in good faith. He's just really un-organized as a person, I guess. A friend of mine who lives elsewhere and orders from him has also experienced hiccups like missing items etc., but the guy always straightened things out in the end. And yes, their selection is huge, the problem is that the catalogue on the website isn't updated in real time and that could be a pain sometimes.
A new physical store in London opened for experimental/noise/etc.
Electric Knife Records
http://electrickniferecords.co.uk
Physical Shop open as usual with stock from RRR, Absurd, Tochnit Aleph, Antifrost, Drone Records, Urashima, Organised Music From Thessaloniki, Cheeses International, Kukuruku Recordings, Second Layer, Ground Fault and more stuff coming everyday (almost).
Artists like Frans de Waard, K2, Leif Elggren, John Butcher, Big City Orchestra, Daniel Menche, Merzbow, Lasse Marhaug, Prurient, John Wiese, Mecha/Orga, Factor X, Astro, Sudden Infant, Kallabris, Mattin, Ilios, Rudolf Eb.er, Henri Chopin, Antoine Chessex, Michael Northam, Goverment Alpha, Onomatopeia, Smega, Balinese Beast, The Rita, Marc Behrens, Wolf Vostell, Mauthausen Orchestra and many more.
Come early and you might have a chance for a nice coffee as well (at least as long as it lasts)
Opening Hours
Tuesday - Sunday
11.00 to 18.00
Address
16B Fortess Road
Kentish Town, London
NW5 2EU
(2 minutes walk fron Kentish Town tube station or a little bit more from Gospel Oak Overground station)
Quote from: Salamanauhat on May 09, 2013, 03:39:14 PM
A new physical store in London opened for experimental/noise/etc.
Electric Knife Records
http://electrickniferecords.co.uk
Wow, thanks for the notice, will have to check this out on the weekend.
i have a friend selling me two Bizarre Uproar cds for 27 total dollars. can someone explain why postage is so high in finland to us? maybe someone can post an american distro that distributes freak animal/filth&violence stuff with cheaper postage. not trying to raise the ire of Mikko. most of my metal cds were anywhere from 5 bucks to 13 bucks minus postage. i dont understand.
No, but then nor do I know why US postage rates are so high. I recently sent a CD to America for 1.65 euros, but to get one from America, it would cost $11 - more than the price of the CD. Prohibitively expensive, I'd say.
thats why im looking for US distributors to save me the hassle of ordering overseas
I think Mikko's prices while ordering from Finland are really low. 2 euros everywhere in the world if I remember correctly? I doubt that could be called expensive.
27 dollars for two BU CDs is as cheap as it gets and if you consider the class of BU, 27$ is not nearly enough for two CDs.
EDIT:
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 17, 2013, 09:58:33 PMUSA => Malignant
I have had same CD prices since... about '95 ? Something like that. I recall they used to be 70mk, then when euro currency came, price was rounded up to 12 euro and that's what it has been ever since. Back in the day, for 12 euro you could buy quote a lot of things. Nowadays very little.
Something like 5usd metal CD's, is a distortion of prices created by labels like NWN and desperate ones trying to get rid of their dead stocks. A lot of releases cost more than 5usd to make per copy. (For those who have more than large bulk run pressing cost to think about)
I would guess FA is one of the cheapest of european industrial labels?
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 10, 2013, 08:12:22 AM
I have had same CD prices since... about '95 ? Something like that. I recall they used to be 70mk, then when euro currency came, price was rounded up to 12 euro and that's what it has been ever since. Back in the day, for 12 euro you could buy quote a lot of things. Nowadays very little.
Something like 5usd metal CD's, is a distortion of prices created by labels like NWN and desperate ones trying to get rid of their dead stocks. A lot of releases cost more than 5usd to make per copy. (For those who have more than large bulk run pressing cost to think about)
I would guess FA is one of the cheapest of european industrial labels?
Metal CDs are mostly cheaper than Noise/Industrial in generell. The Sales are Common in Metal. 10%, 20% or 25% (even till 50%) to make Room for new Stuff. Not only NWN, Obscure Abhorrence, Funeral Industries, Eisenwald, Witching Hour have this. But same like Steinklang, Tesco or others, who lowers Prices from Deadstocks.
I'd say dead stock discount prices hardly reflect what new CD's are generally worth. I don't have much of "dead stock", because I don't run label in attempt to move whole inventory over short period of time, but can have items in stock for 10 years without seeing much problem with it. Even if it sells 1 copy every 3 years, hah!
That is certainly gamble, if thinking "I'll get this cheaper later".
With some releases it may be useless to pay 20,- now when you get it 5 euro quite soon, but some releases have pressing size estimated to reflect real demand. Meaning, theoretically all new copies will be sold at regular retail price and when release is sold out, it depends pure on "market" whether it becomes sought after high priced item or regular 2nd hand item sold for fraction of the original value.
Overall CD price appears to be 10-16 euro range in European industrial labels. It mostly depends on country, it's tax levels and level of economy anyways. Finnish postage rates keep rising. I think next in about 1 month? Minor corrections, what will not affect prices to my customers (3 euro flat rate, any amount of CD's anywhere in world!), but always cumulating into my own bills..
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on May 09, 2013, 11:38:01 PM
i have a friend selling me two Bizarre Uproar cds for 27 total dollars. can someone explain why postage is so high in finland to us? maybe someone can post an american distro that distributes freak animal/filth&violence stuff with cheaper postage. not trying to raise the ire of Mikko. most of my metal cds were anywhere from 5 bucks to 13 bucks minus postage. i dont understand.
That seems very reasonable if it's a combined price (you're complaining about a dollar difference on your upper limit?). Given two CDs from American to anywhere else in the world would comprise at least $10-$11 postage, I just don't see the complaint. When the Australian dollar was shit, I on occasion paid close to $50au for a CD (now equivalent to $53us - back then it was c. $25us) including postage.
Postage
everywhere is expensive to overseas. Finland seems more reasonable than most.
Quote from: Salamanauhat on May 09, 2013, 03:39:14 PM
A new physical store in London opened for experimental/noise/etc.
Electric Knife Records
http://electrickniferecords.co.uk
Just to let anyone know in London who is thinking about going to this shop - it's not very easy to find. It could be down to me being an idiot but I walked up and down the road a lot and couldn't see it anywhere.
I emailed the guy who runs it and he told me some more details I thought I should share -
"It is the door next to a closed blue shutters and a Thai restaurant from the other. The 143bus stop is outside of the shop as well.
The door is open, you walk a small corridor and it is on the right hand side."
Canada:
Scream//Write distro + Absurd Exposition label
http://screamandwrithe.com/home/index.html
-Distro with Vinyl, cassettes, CDs, as well shirts patches zines, etc. Noise \ PE \ HNW as well a decent amount of Metal, Grind, Hardcore-ish stuff. Label is noise oriented.
I just ordered some things from:
Norway:
Where Frost Reign label + distro
http://wherefrostreignhangar.tumblr.com/
Good mix of music and literature, books, zines, cassettes and records. Currently stoking items from Filth and Violence, Peter Sotos, a bunch of other things too.
Beläten is building a mail-order. http://belaten.bigcartel.com
I have ordered from http://www.infinite-limits.com lately. Very good and fast service. From U.K by the way.
http://www.hagshadow.net/ (UK)
http://existest.org/ee_v3/?page_id=14 (US)
http://catharticprocess.com/cp/?page_id=3 (US, no homepage updates since August 2012, can anyone confirm activity?)
Quote from: Brad on May 14, 2013, 02:30:49 AMhttp://catharticprocess.com/cp/?page_id=3 (US, no homepage updates since August 2012, can anyone confirm activity?)
I think he's running it down. Some time ago he talked on the internet about selling the entire stock to whoever wants to buy it...
Swill Radio of course. Scott Faust does the best reviews in the world besides Angela Sawyer. No competition!
http://www.anti-naturals.org/swill/
Czech republic
Shitty situation here, althrough we have some devoted people who at least have some noise records in their distro's:
Epidemie Records
Lot of their own releases, neo-folk, doom metal, obscure electronics, however they made some approach in releasing interesting Hungarian stuff like Larhnakh or Kriegsfall - U. In their distro you may find Grunt, Bizzare Uproar, NTT, Theologian and some other selected P.E. or noise performers together with some releases of Malignant.
http://www.epidemie.cz
Ascarid Records and Mytina distribution
Somewhere between proffesional tape label nad D.I.Y. Ascarid records span their activities from Czech performers attached mainly to art schools, to raw black metal, DSBM drone to dark ambient artists. They offer also good services in tape production for reasonable money. Some of their tapes i would highly reccommend!
http://www.ascarid.cz
Industrial Gallery
Originally a video division of Ars Morta Universum, has slowly grown to an interesting DVD-R and CD-R label. You can still get there some rare live shows of Schloss Tegal, Einleitungszeit, VO.I.D., Skrol, Job Karma and simillar artists.
http://www.industrialgallery.com/
Quote from: Mattias G on May 14, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
Swill Radio of course. Scott Faust does the best reviews in the world besides Angela Sawyer. No competition!
http://www.anti-naturals.org/swill/
"There was a brief period, circa 1981-84, when there were a variety of artists, loosely grouped around the Whitehouse/NWW/Experimental scene, that were dead set on creating a new musical vocabulary that had nothing to do with music of the past. When was the last time that happened? The music of these explorers not only had 'nothing to do with rock and roll', it had nothing to do with jazz or folk or dance music or any other kind. These days this sort of 'sound art' is much more common, but those were the days when the doors were opened." - from his review of an MB reissue - I think that's exactly right - you can trace the inspirations to things as different as Alvin Lucier and Tangerine Dream but that era really was very unique.
Well, I guess I count as Norwegian distro now:
http://www.nicolavinciguerra.com/distribution.html
Not a very wide selection like it used to be, but it will improve.
I suppose isn't very polite to toot one's own horn, but I would like to add Tordon Ljud to the list of active noise distributors.
It was launched around a month ago for Swedes and is now ready to be launched to a wider audience. Perhaps you might find something that is to your liking.
tordonljud.wordpress.com
Thanks for your attention.
NORWAY: Where frost reign.
Music, literature, art, merch. Ships worldwide.
http://wherefrostreignhangar.tumblr.com/ (http://wherefrostreignhangar.tumblr.com/)
I must say I enjoy seeing a lot of new distros being established off late. This is a healthy and important sign for the continuing development of extreme music/art and the production of physical releases. With no - or rare funding opportunities for artists, this activity have as much an economical factor on the "scene" as being a channel for distributing artistic expression. Support the artists, invest in their products. Keep up the good work everybody.
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Do noise labels actively trade their releases? Forgive me for sounding absolutely clueless but most of the noise labels (with the exception of RRR) I've met seem to be ran be disorganized people that just exist to complain about how they can't get shit done.
I started releasing Noise, PE, Electronic, Ambient, industrial/whatever music through my label (which mostly has for years done black metal) and want to be able to distribute it amongst labels that actually cater to those audiences rather then the metal crossover crowd however everywhere I go is either a dead end.
In short I have the audacity to actually produce releases that aren't "limited to 5 copies packaged with random refuse" but have no idea where the hell to distribute it too/promote.