Could somebody, please, recommend me some racist noise/power electronics/noise rock? lol racist drone.
(Am I further isolating myself here?) It would be very interesting, I've enjoyed Control Resistance and Sektion B!!
sektion b is not a white power project.
The obvious, usual suspects are; Terre Blanche and other AWB stuff, Streicher, XE and some other F&V related materials like Iron Clad and Anti-Pakt, Deathpile, "David Rodgers" stuff i.e. Brethren, Organized Resistance, Bound and Revolutionary Command, etc. I would highly recommend an obscure, amazing gem of a tape titled American Boots – "Lone Wolves, Boot Parties". Solid, underrated stuff.
Also, try not to confuse anti-egalitarian and general hatred as being racially motivated, nor do nationalist, integralist, "Eurocentric", whatever ideas and imagery always reflect "White Power". Just mentioning this since PE, just like sub-genres such as NeoFolk and Martial Industrial, etc. can be easily misinterpreted. Even some of those who I listed who portray obvious racialist beliefs in their artistic content doesn't mean they "practice what they preach", so to say.
*edit* And yes, I meant Deathkey rather than Deathpile
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
Quote from: RyanWreck on November 11, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
Also, try not to confuse anti-egalitarian and general hatred as being racially motivated, nor do nationalist, integralist, "Eurocentric", whatever ideas and imagery always reflect "White Power". Just mentioning this since PE, just like sub-genres such as NeoFolk and Martial Industrial, etc. can be easily misinterpreted. Even some of those who I listed who portray obvious racialist beliefs in their artistic content doesn't mean they "practice what they preach", so to say.
exactly, think of the whole AWB rooster.
Quote from: RyanWreck on November 11, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
American Boots – "Lone Wolves, Boot Parties"
Ryan, can you send me rip? Can't find it anywhere.
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
Deathkey is not "white power" project. Antisemitic and anti-ZOG, if something.
Quote from: fetch the rope on November 11, 2015, 03:08:39 PM
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
Deathkey is not "white power" project. Antisemitic and anti-ZOG, if something.
true but it fits the bill much more than deathpile, or then deathpile has something i havent noticed yet. . .
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
i did think the same. on the other notes, i dont think that DEATHPILE has anything about "white power" in it.
you can prove me wrong, if there is any evidence but i dont think so.
about DEATHKEY i would underline as well, that he seems more into anti-semitic/anti-zog on a somehow
mystic level instead of preaching stereotype of "white power". again, i could be wrong but dont think so.
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 11, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
i did think the same. on the other notes, i dont think that DEATHPILE has anything about "white power" in it.
you can prove me wrong, if there is any evidence but i dont think so.
about DEATHKEY i would underline as well, that he seems more into anti-semitic/anti-zog on a somehow
mystic level instead of preaching stereotype of "white power". again, i could be wrong but dont think so.
Deathkey certainly has more of an occult edge to things. Much of the lyrics, at least the way i understand them, dont even relate to real life, political, racial issues that much. Yet, despite not being 'pure' white power noise, i think it still is relevant to the subject.
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 05:13:30 PM
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 11, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
i did think the same. on the other notes, i dont think that DEATHPILE has anything about "white power" in it.
you can prove me wrong, if there is any evidence but i dont think so.
about DEATHKEY i would underline as well, that he seems more into anti-semitic/anti-zog on a somehow
mystic level instead of preaching stereotype of "white power". again, i could be wrong but dont think so.
Deathkey certainly has more of an occult edge to things. Much of the lyrics, at least the way i understand them, dont even relate to real life, political, racial issues that much. Yet, despite not being 'pure' white power noise, i think it still is relevant to the subject.
sure it is and i think the same way about it as you. that was what i meant with "mystic level". maybe i did use the wrong words (since i am
not a native english speaker, sometimes my writings are a bit odd i guess), anyway DEATHKEY is for sure not typical "white power" stuff but
i bet his message at least bordes on "white supermarcy" even if it is not that clear for the outsider.
What's the difference between pro-white and 'white power'? Personally, I'd shy away from the latter term...
Bereft would certainly fit into the former category, perhaps Green Army Fraction, too. Zyklon SS, whilst certainly using white power imagery and samples - and appearing to endorse them - may only be doing it to piss people off. Not sure. The other two I mention would certainly be sincere in their views.
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 11, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
i did think the same. on the other notes, i dont think that DEATHPILE has anything about "white power" in it.
you can prove me wrong, if there is any evidence but i dont think so.
about DEATHKEY i would underline as well, that he seems more into anti-semitic/anti-zog on a somehow
mystic level instead of preaching stereotype of "white power". again, i could be wrong but dont think so.
Canady's projects are surely not related to white power, ecc. Don't know if he did single tracks on the subject, but it would sound strange.
pretty oriented on the true crime front, alternet by personal stuff
and I wish he will resuscitate deathpile since it was one of the best US PE projects of that age
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 11, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
and I wish he will resuscitate deathpile since it was one of the best US PE projects of that age
i would warmly welcome the return of DEATHPILE for sure.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 11, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
What's the difference between pro-white and 'white power'? Personally, I'd shy away from the latter term...
Bereft would certainly fit into the former category, perhaps Green Army Fraction, too. Zyklon SS, whilst certainly using white power imagery and samples - and appearing to endorse them - may only be doing it to piss people off. Not sure. The other two I mention would certainly be sincere in their views.
i think that the closed term "white power" refers to the cultural enviroment and movement the most where it was coined for the first time:
right-wing/racist skinhead movement. if i am not totally mistaken, the origins lies there. since this movement was and is heavily connected
to street violence, rascist violence, nazi thugs and so on, i can clearly see the reference for example in the works of Streicher for example.
later "white power" evolved into a term used not only rascist skinheads but by other white supermacists/survivalists as well (and of course
neo nazis). today "white power" term has become a slogan that is widely used by all kinds of right-wing people and is interpreted in this way.
dont know if that helps or if it is crap enterily.....
Quote from: burdizzo on November 11, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
What's the difference between pro-white and 'white power'? Personally, I'd shy away from the latter term...
Perhaps one interpretation could be a that pro-white simply refers to preservation of an ethnic group identity. For example ethno-pluralist thought without the racist supremacist hubris of "white power".
Quote from: Salamanauhat on November 11, 2015, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 11, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
What's the difference between pro-white and 'white power'? Personally, I'd shy away from the latter term...
Perhaps one interpretation could be a that pro-white simply refers to preservation of an ethnic group identity. For example ethno-pluralist thought without the racist supremacist hubris of "white power".
THAT is the answer i could not provide. thank you for that. not much to add on this.
Iron Clad?
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 11, 2015, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: Salamanauhat on November 11, 2015, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 11, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
What's the difference between pro-white and 'white power'? Personally, I'd shy away from the latter term...
Perhaps one interpretation could be a that pro-white simply refers to preservation of an ethnic group identity. For example ethno-pluralist thought without the racist supremacist hubris of "white power".
THAT is the answer i could not provide. thank you for that. not much to add on this.
Yes, well put.
Someone mentioned FFH on this thread, but I wouldn't think so. Elsewhere, I saw Alberich accused of this, but it was perhaps just someone stirring a pot.
Could we also mention 88MM and Sturmfuhrer? Though Sturmfuhrer is perhaps not firmly enough in 'noise' territory.
Oh, and Black State.
But, sure, a lot of people do that sort of thing. Sick Seed covered Skrewdriver, didn't they? Con-Dom and The Grey Wolves used a lot of White Power imagery, and seem to be not that way inclined, at all. Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces', and no one who knows anything has them down as a 'white power band'.
Oh yes, I accept you were equivocal enough about FFH, but I'd never have thought it from their stuff. Perhaps the cover of 'Make Them Understand' could be a bit suggestive, but it's hardly explicit, and I supposed the lad who started this thread was after the explicit stuff.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 12, 2015, 12:20:03 AM
Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces'
That track define what I consider as power electronics!
Quote from: burdizzo on November 11, 2015, 11:28:33 PM
Could we also mention 88MM and Sturmführer? Though Sturmführer is perhaps not firmly enough in 'noise' territory.
I like am both but 88MM´s "Motions Of The Spinning Black Sun" is a fucking masterpiece. Sturmführer is fine too but
for me not nearly in the same league (and the music is quite different of course).
Quote from: F_c_O on November 11, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
i think you mean deathkey instead of deathpile.
Yea you're right, names are too similar.
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 11, 2015, 08:59:56 PM
i think that the closed term "white power" refers to the cultural enviroment and movement the most where it was coined for the first time:
right-wing/racist skinhead movement. if i am not totally mistaken, the origins lies there.
George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party coined the term 'white power' during the 1960s inspired by the pro-civil rights slogan Black Power. Two decades later Skrewdriver recorded their first overtly racist record and had White Power as the title, helping to spread the slogan to Europe. Their music was rooted heavily in black-originated rhythm and blues, and they also covered their basic single biggest musical inspiration Chuck Berry but changed the words to Johnny Joined The Klan. Interesting stuff.
I like some of Streicher and The Grey Wolves' music more than anything else mentioned in this thread, and like them as people, and I do not underestimate the sheer depths of human idiocy - neither do those blokes I am sure.
Where I come from "lad" is a general term for any male person, young or old. But, judging by your pic., it might not apply...?!
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on November 12, 2015, 03:52:07 PM
George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party coined the term 'white power' during the 1960s inspired by the pro-civil rights slogan Black Power.
Argh.... how could i forget about Rockwell ?? Thank you for this correction of my wrong statement above.
Quote from: Dr Alex on November 11, 2015, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: RyanWreck on November 11, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
American Boots – "Lone Wolves, Boot Parties"
Ryan, can you send me rip? Can't find it anywhere.
Sorry, but I don't have a rip of it. Maybe try asking them for the tape yourself (their email is on the scan below)? Although, I doubt they have any left.
(http://i.imgur.com/IIwi1QF.jpg)
About Deathpile in this post, here his point of view:
"Jonathan Canady:
Hmmm. Well I am not racist and never intended any DP songs to be racist. Maybe the extreme (non-racial) misanthropy of songs like "Hate War" was misunderstood? Also the fact I referenced the film "Salo"? Maybe my project with Michael Hensley, Hollow Earth, that used concentration camp photos in the artwork? The photos and album title were not intended to glorify The Holocaust. Racism is stupid and Hitler was an insane asshole. If there's any specific comments about me or Deathpile being racist I'd be happy to answer them directly.
Anyone is free to contact me with questions through Facebook or malsonus.com"
Quote from: Leatherface on November 12, 2015, 11:13:06 PM
Racism is stupid and Hitler was an insane asshole
Never enjoyed this guy's music at all. But that statement eloquently says everything that needs to be said.
Quote from: Leatherface on November 12, 2015, 11:13:06 PM
About Deathpile in this post, here his point of view:
"Jonathan Canady:
Hmmm. Well I am not racist and never intended any DP songs to be racist. Maybe the extreme (non-racial) misanthropy of songs like "Hate War" was misunderstood? Also the fact I referenced the film "Salo"? Maybe my project with Michael Hensley, Hollow Earth, that used concentration camp photos in the artwork? The photos and album title were not intended to glorify The Holocaust. Racism is stupid and Hitler was an insane asshole. If there's any specific comments about me or Deathpile being racist I'd be happy to answer them directly.
Anyone is free to contact me with questions through Facebook or malsonus.com"
Did he just answer this or was this from a past interview?
Funny how by accidentally typing Deathpile instead of Deathkey brought about such a discussion. Oops.
Also, it's always been odd to me how racism always incites and bring such tension no matter what genre, no matter how "extreme". I always thought it was funny how people would be apprehensive about Sotos' writing because he might be racist. Talking about chopping up a little boys penis in a public bathroom with scissors is glazed over without discourse but he says "nigger" and "wetback" and all of a sudden people become worried. Same with holocaust imagery; "please explain this away, I mean you just like.... like it because it's extreme, r-right?"
Quote from: RyanWreck on November 13, 2015, 01:05:01 AM
I always thought it was funny how people would be apprehensive about Sotos' writing because he might be racist. Talking about chopping up a little boys penis in a public bathroom with scissors is glazed over without discourse but he says "nigger" and "wetback" and all of a sudden people become worried.
And some of the readers who could get past all that stuff and understand that he was aligned neither to murder, paedophila nor racism suddenly got all upset over his graphic descriptions of animal torture in the sublime Show Adult in that ancient yahoo group. Sotos is a very genuine writer, I care very little about the guy's obvious big bear sexuality and barely know him. It seems very obvious to me however much he may say nigger nigger nigger that he isn't racist or interested in any of this deeply autistic political shit. He has been known to hang out with Darius James fuck's sake. Don't really know about some of these obnoxious sounding mentally unwell noise 'artists' in this thread, think I heard that Deathkey was a perverse prank of some sort and remember being told that Control Resistance were for real genuine idiots. Oh well I'm ranting now and will shut the fuck up.
Racism is stupid, precisely because it's a basic human trait. We love splitting ourselves up into little groups, for what are probably evolutionary reasons. I really don't care about the "why" any more, all I know is that it's all too human.
Personally, though, I prefer an honest bigot who just doesn't like who s/he doesn't like, to those who try to rationalise the irrational with ideology. This is why I always prefer Xenophobic Ejaculation to other usual suspects, like Control Resistance or Brethren. Despite the Nazi imagery, XE isn't on a soapbox trying to convince the listener, it's just blatant fuck-off hate, straight from the maelstrom of the guts. As well as excellent, blatant use of feedback.
Control Resistance has some good sounds ("Declaration" is a good track) but all that wanging on about Israel and the Jews and that just puts me off. It's like paranoia ranting.
Brethren I never got into, mainly because of the vocals. I know that's often one of the main features of Brethren, but where I think he over-used that shouting was on "The Chosen". It seemed to me that the words on that would have had a lot more emphasis if he had uttered them sinister and sardonic, rather than shout every single syllable at the top of his lungs. If you're going to be paranoid about "the Jews", make them sound genuinely scary. For the most part Brethren are okay but not my bag.
Organised Resistance's "Day Of The Rope" is a pretty reasonable PE album. The lyrics on "What Will You Do?" have so much in common with anarcho-punk lyrics it's almost funny. But apart from the soap-boxing it's a good album.
Deathkey I just couldn't get into. I tried, because all the elements I like - mainly thick layers of ultra-distorted synth - were there, but for some reason it just sounded too sloppy and not quite right to me. Also, the vocals.
I've got a rip of the old Slave State "White Land, White Rule" tape and it sounds quite good to me, standard issue early cassette era PE, always nice. Hardly anything political, or indeed with any kind of issue at all with the actual music.
Also have rips of the Terre Blanche releases and like them even better, very nice, raw, layered electronics. Reminds me of the solo stuff of Mark Solotroff for some reason...
I didn't mind some of the Genocide Lolita stuff I heard on YouTube but it's been a while. Might chase it up again some time soon.
QuoteAlso have rips of the Terre Blanche releases and like them even better, very nice, raw, layered electronics. Reminds me of the solo stuff of Mark Solotroff for some reason...
That's probably because TB was actually MS.
Quote from: sterilization on November 13, 2015, 03:43:46 AM
QuoteAlso have rips of the Terre Blanche releases and like them even better, very nice, raw, layered electronics. Reminds me of the solo stuff of Mark Solotroff for some reason...
That's probably because TB was actually MS.
It's like everything on AWB and Bloodlust! and related labels was MS. I bet "Buyers Market" is just MS, Sigillum S is just him and himself when he stayed at a motel in Milan, and fucking Megan Emish is just him in drag.
And of course by MS we mean M. Sanderson.....
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 13, 2015, 01:53:54 AM
Control Resistance has some good sounds ("Declaration" is a good track) but all that wanging on about Israel and the Jews and that just puts me off. It's like paranoia ranting.
Brethren I never got into, mainly because of the vocals.
I didn't mind some of the Genocide Lolita stuff I heard on YouTube but it's been a while. Might chase it up again some time soon.
Yea, Brethren vocals were a turn off for me. Soapbox is a great word for that style in general and I've never liked it and I've always gotten shit for it. I feel like I'm really the only person who doesn't like that era/sound/style of the typical American 00's PE "unit" that Brethren (and all his side projects), Slogun, Deathpile, SKM-ETR, Control, etc. showcased. Just some low-end rumble with clear, up front yelling. The whole aesthetic of it was a turn off, reminded me of hip-hop mixed with CSI.
Completely forgot about Genocide Lolita and his other side project Operation Miranda.
Quote from: sterilization on November 13, 2015, 03:43:46 AM
QuoteAlso have rips of the Terre Blanche releases and like them even better, very nice, raw, layered electronics. Reminds me of the solo stuff of Mark Solotroff for some reason...
That's probably because TB was actually MS.
I know, I was trying to be subtle.
A rather new US PE project is Plantation. "Radical and racist Vinlandic Power Electronics" as described by the label (Vanguard Productions). Can be listened to here: http://vanguardproductions.bandcamp.com/ (http://vanguardproductions.bandcamp.com/).
I've got a load of Vanguard Productions titles in my distro, I also have a limited amount of all Plantation releases, but haven't added them to my list yet, since most of them came as a master tape with covers and I still have to get tapes to dub them.
"It seems very obvious to me however much he {Peter Sotos} may say nigger nigger nigger that he isn't racist or interested in any of this deeply autistic political shit."
I have it on good authority that Peter donates $1 every single time he writes the word "nigger" to the United Negro College Fund, so, yeah, he's not a bigot at all. And he has one black friend. I bet he volunteers around those neighborhoods where all the gangs are shooting kids dead every weekend, too.
Quote from: RyanWreck on November 13, 2015, 05:24:40 AM
Completely forgot about Genocide Lolita and his other side project Operation Miranda.
I first heard about it on the old Tronicks forum and recall there was a bit of piss taking going on about it, which was hardly surprising, but did give an impression that it wasn't a "serious" project.
There's a hell of a lot on YouTube, and however seriously it's intended, it sounds to me like perfectly acceptable Heavy Electronics, borrowing a lot from Genocide Organ's louder moments with, perhaps, a bit of a Survival Unit feel thrown in. The message is all very blatant and preachy, but with enough vitriol to make it entertaining. Average White Power Electronics.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 13, 2015, 01:53:54 AM
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Control Resistance has some good sounds ("Declaration" is a good track) but all that wanging on about Israel and the Jews and that just puts me off. It's like paranoia ranting.
Brethren I never got into, mainly because of the vocals. I know that's often one of the main features of Brethren, but where I think he over-used that shouting was on "The Chosen". It seemed to me that the words on that would have had a lot more emphasis if he had uttered them sinister and sardonic, rather than shout every single syllable at the top of his lungs. If you're going to be paranoid about "the Jews", make them sound genuinely scary. For the most part Brethren are okay but not my bag.
Organised Resistance's "Day Of The Rope" is a pretty reasonable PE album. The lyrics on "What Will You Do?" have so much in common with anarcho-punk lyrics it's almost funny. But apart from the soap-boxing it's a good album.
Deathkey I just couldn't get into. I tried, because all the elements I like - mainly thick layers of ultra-distorted synth - were there, but for some reason it just sounded too sloppy and not quite right to me. Also, the vocals.
(...)
I'd like to see the dvd that came with some Brethren release some time. Must be interesting watch, to say the least, unless its like those 2543534 hour shitfests on youtube. You must be inclined to believe them to bother to watch something so long that is clearly going to just rile about how jews did it. and that. and this. As for Brethren itself, while I personally like the vocals, the noise itself isnt my thing. Just something about how it sounds doesnt sound right to my ears. It just doesnt sound distorted to me, it sounds to me someone just pushed everything up to 11 on audacity and found out that you can make the whole thing clip a fuckton. Of course, I might be completely wrong here but either way.
Deathkey on the other hand, I enjoy the noise but don't like the vocals. Never been into highly effected vocals, at all. Still more tolerable than use of flanger or phaser or what the fuck ever used to make things sound like youre trying to yell me something under water.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 12, 2015, 12:20:03 AMBut, sure, a lot of people do that sort of thing. Sick Seed covered Skrewdriver, didn't they? Con-Dom and The Grey Wolves used a lot of White Power imagery, and seem to be not that way inclined, at all. Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces', and no one who knows anything has them down as a 'white power band'.
Oh yes, I accept you were equivocal enough about FFH, but I'd never have thought it from their stuff. Perhaps the cover of 'Make Them Understand' could be a bit suggestive, but it's hardly explicit, and I supposed the lad who started this thread was after the explicit stuff.
One thing I've never understood in PE/Noise is this notion that the listener is suppose to "get" what the artists motives are...shouldn't it be up to the listener to decide what they want this to be, rather then trying to figure out some artsy ambiguity approach, perhaps to someone else, they'd like it to be tasteless and nothing else, but pure audial violence. Am I the only one who thinks in these terms? For me Streicher and I don't care what anybody says about it, for me Streicher is WP, angry electronics and I don't give a fuck if his point of view is actually more drawn out and had more of an artistic vision than that...can't it just be bonehead for me and artsy for thee, without having to be lectured how I'm an idiot, because I don't it...I get it and I don't care and I reject it! Plain and simple. Is there anyone else who shares this sentiment, or does everybody follow precisely the artists own motives, does the artist even understand their own motives?
Quote from: Cranial Blast on December 07, 2023, 05:48:12 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 12, 2015, 12:20:03 AMBut, sure, a lot of people do that sort of thing. Sick Seed covered Skrewdriver, didn't they? Con-Dom and The Grey Wolves used a lot of White Power imagery, and seem to be not that way inclined, at all. Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces', and no one who knows anything has them down as a 'white power band'.
Oh yes, I accept you were equivocal enough about FFH, but I'd never have thought it from their stuff. Perhaps the cover of 'Make Them Understand' could be a bit suggestive, but it's hardly explicit, and I supposed the lad who started this thread was after the explicit stuff.
One thing I've never understood in PE/Noise is this notion that the listener is suppose to "get" what the artists motives are...shouldn't it be up to the listener to decide what they want this to be, rather then trying to figure out some artsy ambiguity approach, perhaps to someone else, they'd like it to be tasteless and nothing else, but pure audial violence. Am I the only one who thinks in these terms? For me Streicher and I don't care what anybody says about it, for me Streicher is WP, angry electronics and I don't give a fuck if his point of view is actually more drawn out and had more of an artistic vision than that...can't it just be bonehead for me and artsy for thee, without having to be lectured how I'm an idiot, because I don't it...I get it and I don't care and I reject it! Plain and simple. Is there anyone else who shares this sentiment, or does everybody follow precisely the artists own motives, does the artist even understand their own motives?
I think too often the idea of "separating the art from the artist" becomes some loaded commentary about political correctness rather than something more literal. The art exists independently of the artists once it is created. I think that gives quite a bit of interpretive freedom.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on December 07, 2023, 05:48:12 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 12, 2015, 12:20:03 AMBut, sure, a lot of people do that sort of thing. Sick Seed covered Skrewdriver, didn't they? Con-Dom and The Grey Wolves used a lot of White Power imagery, and seem to be not that way inclined, at all. Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces', and no one who knows anything has them down as a 'white power band'.
Oh yes, I accept you were equivocal enough about FFH, but I'd never have thought it from their stuff. Perhaps the cover of 'Make Them Understand' could be a bit suggestive, but it's hardly explicit, and I supposed the lad who started this thread was after the explicit stuff.
One thing I've never understood in PE/Noise is this notion that the listener is suppose to "get" what the artists motives are...shouldn't it be up to the listener to decide what they want this to be, rather then trying to figure out some artsy ambiguity approach, perhaps to someone else, they'd like it to be tasteless and nothing else, but pure audial violence. Am I the only one who thinks in these terms? For me Streicher and I don't care what anybody says about it, for me Streicher is WP, angry electronics and I don't give a fuck if his point of view is actually more drawn out and had more of an artistic vision than that...can't it just be bonehead for me and artsy for thee, without having to be lectured how I'm an idiot, because I don't it...I get it and I don't care and I reject it! Plain and simple. Is there anyone else who shares this sentiment, or does everybody follow precisely the artists own motives, does the artist even understand their own motives?
There are a lot of Informations in the Releases, so everybody have to think for himself. But just pointing out this is WP or this is this or that is too easy.There are many layers of Informations and Intentions and mostly its a direct Position against the easy Way of Black and White. As example Grey Wolves Division CD handles with Rockwell. The Fact that a Handfull White Power Guys are sitting in a Stadion Full of "Hateful" Black People is something to discuss about.
Intentions, Worldviews, Paradoxes, Slogans, Propaganda are examined and the Listeners don't get a Handbook for it.
Quote from: Goat93 on December 07, 2023, 05:37:57 PMQuote from: Cranial Blast on December 07, 2023, 05:48:12 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 12, 2015, 12:20:03 AMBut, sure, a lot of people do that sort of thing. Sick Seed covered Skrewdriver, didn't they? Con-Dom and The Grey Wolves used a lot of White Power imagery, and seem to be not that way inclined, at all. Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces', and no one who knows anything has them down as a 'white power band'.
Oh yes, I accept you were equivocal enough about FFH, but I'd never have thought it from their stuff. Perhaps the cover of 'Make Them Understand' could be a bit suggestive, but it's hardly explicit, and I supposed the lad who started this thread was after the explicit stuff.
One thing I've never understood in PE/Noise is this notion that the listener is suppose to "get" what the artists motives are...shouldn't it be up to the listener to decide what they want this to be, rather then trying to figure out some artsy ambiguity approach, perhaps to someone else, they'd like it to be tasteless and nothing else, but pure audial violence. Am I the only one who thinks in these terms? For me Streicher and I don't care what anybody says about it, for me Streicher is WP, angry electronics and I don't give a fuck if his point of view is actually more drawn out and had more of an artistic vision than that...can't it just be bonehead for me and artsy for thee, without having to be lectured how I'm an idiot, because I don't it...I get it and I don't care and I reject it! Plain and simple. Is there anyone else who shares this sentiment, or does everybody follow precisely the artists own motives, does the artist even understand their own motives?
There are a lot of Informations in the Releases, so everybody have to think for himself. But just pointing out this is WP or this is this or that is too easy.There are many layers of Informations and Intentions and mostly its a direct Position against the easy Way of Black and White. As example Grey Wolves Division CD handles with Rockwell. The Fact that a Handfull White Power Guys are sitting in a Stadion Full of "Hateful" Black People is something to discuss about.
Intentions, Worldviews, Paradoxes, Slogans, Propaganda are examined and the Listeners don't get a Handbook for it.
I understand that completely, but sometimes I think you the listener can value the work to your own personal feelings and beliefs about the project, regardless if there is a more complex intended meaning behind the entire scope of the project, while being aware that there is a deeper meaning. I know that sounds kind of "dumb", but There are WP noise projects out there that are strictly that and nothing else. In my mind I'd like to think Streicher is the most responsible for this massive influence for those types of WP noise acts and I think there is enough evidence to come to a conclusion that it was indeed influential, whether or not his work was misinterpreted or whatever. I think once a legion of these what some would call WP noise acts wouldn't even exist without the work of Streicher. I think because of the often misinterpretation of the project puts Streicher is a new category all together, whether he likes it or not and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on December 07, 2023, 06:25:54 PMQuote from: Goat93 on December 07, 2023, 05:37:57 PMQuote from: Cranial Blast on December 07, 2023, 05:48:12 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 12, 2015, 12:20:03 AMBut, sure, a lot of people do that sort of thing. Sick Seed covered Skrewdriver, didn't they? Con-Dom and The Grey Wolves used a lot of White Power imagery, and seem to be not that way inclined, at all. Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces', and no one who knows anything has them down as a 'white power band'.
Oh yes, I accept you were equivocal enough about FFH, but I'd never have thought it from their stuff. Perhaps the cover of 'Make Them Understand' could be a bit suggestive, but it's hardly explicit, and I supposed the lad who started this thread was after the explicit stuff.
One thing I've never understood in PE/Noise is this notion that the listener is suppose to "get" what the artists motives are...shouldn't it be up to the listener to decide what they want this to be, rather then trying to figure out some artsy ambiguity approach, perhaps to someone else, they'd like it to be tasteless and nothing else, but pure audial violence. Am I the only one who thinks in these terms? For me Streicher and I don't care what anybody says about it, for me Streicher is WP, angry electronics and I don't give a fuck if his point of view is actually more drawn out and had more of an artistic vision than that...can't it just be bonehead for me and artsy for thee, without having to be lectured how I'm an idiot, because I don't it...I get it and I don't care and I reject it! Plain and simple. Is there anyone else who shares this sentiment, or does everybody follow precisely the artists own motives, does the artist even understand their own motives?
There are a lot of Informations in the Releases, so everybody have to think for himself. But just pointing out this is WP or this is this or that is too easy.There are many layers of Informations and Intentions and mostly its a direct Position against the easy Way of Black and White. As example Grey Wolves Division CD handles with Rockwell. The Fact that a Handfull White Power Guys are sitting in a Stadion Full of "Hateful" Black People is something to discuss about.
Intentions, Worldviews, Paradoxes, Slogans, Propaganda are examined and the Listeners don't get a Handbook for it.
I understand that completely, but sometimes I think you the listener can value the work to your own personal feelings and beliefs about the project, regardless if there is a more complex intended meaning behind the entire scope of the project, while being aware that there is a deeper meaning. I know that sounds kind of "dumb", but There are WP noise projects out there that are strictly that and nothing else. In my mind I'd like to think Streicher is the most responsible for this massive influence for those types of WP noise acts and I think there is enough evidence to come to a conclusion that it was indeed influential, whether or not his work was misinterpreted or whatever. I think once a legion of these what some would call WP noise acts wouldn't even exist without the work of Streicher. I think because of the often misinterpretation of the project puts Streicher is a new category all together, whether he likes it or not and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
Could be and if its the Case, he did everything right with Streicher.
In my Opinion, the most influental are the People who work against something. An Antifascistic Organisation is much more Successful to create White Power Groups than any White Power Group in the First Place. Cause they focus the Attention and their Interpretation on so many others, that new Followers would belief thats the Way to be like that.
And there are not so many WP Noise People around, who are really into Politics. Hard to see any Political Structure in this Musical Subgenre at all. Mostly just Shock Value with a wide Variations of Shock Themes and its really hard to take it serious. Its like Black Metal some Years ago, where People where shocked with Satan Images.
On the other Hand it begins to went wrong, when the Listener try to choose, what the Artist try to interpret. There is always the possibility to be wrong with the Interpretation and sadly most People try to dictate their Interpretation to all others, insted to discuss the Interpretation.
So it went wrong and the Artist feels minsunderstood. (If he is not only in for the Shock Value of course)
I would say, if you take Con Dom's A Mans Skin Colour DLP and Streicher's Hammerskin Tape, its like two complete different Interpretations. A Lot of People call both WP Electronics, like its the same
Quote from: Goat93 on December 07, 2023, 06:59:55 PMQuote from: Cranial Blast on December 07, 2023, 06:25:54 PMQuote from: Goat93 on December 07, 2023, 05:37:57 PMQuote from: Cranial Blast on December 07, 2023, 05:48:12 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 12, 2015, 12:20:03 AMBut, sure, a lot of people do that sort of thing. Sick Seed covered Skrewdriver, didn't they? Con-Dom and The Grey Wolves used a lot of White Power imagery, and seem to be not that way inclined, at all. Genocide Organ have 'White Power Forces', and no one who knows anything has them down as a 'white power band'.
Oh yes, I accept you were equivocal enough about FFH, but I'd never have thought it from their stuff. Perhaps the cover of 'Make Them Understand' could be a bit suggestive, but it's hardly explicit, and I supposed the lad who started this thread was after the explicit stuff.
One thing I've never understood in PE/Noise is this notion that the listener is suppose to "get" what the artists motives are...shouldn't it be up to the listener to decide what they want this to be, rather then trying to figure out some artsy ambiguity approach, perhaps to someone else, they'd like it to be tasteless and nothing else, but pure audial violence. Am I the only one who thinks in these terms? For me Streicher and I don't care what anybody says about it, for me Streicher is WP, angry electronics and I don't give a fuck if his point of view is actually more drawn out and had more of an artistic vision than that...can't it just be bonehead for me and artsy for thee, without having to be lectured how I'm an idiot, because I don't it...I get it and I don't care and I reject it! Plain and simple. Is there anyone else who shares this sentiment, or does everybody follow precisely the artists own motives, does the artist even understand their own motives?
There are a lot of Informations in the Releases, so everybody have to think for himself. But just pointing out this is WP or this is this or that is too easy.There are many layers of Informations and Intentions and mostly its a direct Position against the easy Way of Black and White. As example Grey Wolves Division CD handles with Rockwell. The Fact that a Handfull White Power Guys are sitting in a Stadion Full of "Hateful" Black People is something to discuss about.
Intentions, Worldviews, Paradoxes, Slogans, Propaganda are examined and the Listeners don't get a Handbook for it.
I understand that completely, but sometimes I think you the listener can value the work to your own personal feelings and beliefs about the project, regardless if there is a more complex intended meaning behind the entire scope of the project, while being aware that there is a deeper meaning. I know that sounds kind of "dumb", but There are WP noise projects out there that are strictly that and nothing else. In my mind I'd like to think Streicher is the most responsible for this massive influence for those types of WP noise acts and I think there is enough evidence to come to a conclusion that it was indeed influential, whether or not his work was misinterpreted or whatever. I think once a legion of these what some would call WP noise acts wouldn't even exist without the work of Streicher. I think because of the often misinterpretation of the project puts Streicher is a new category all together, whether he likes it or not and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
Could be and if its the Case, he did everything right with Streicher.
In my Opinion, the most influental are the People who work against something. An Antifascistic Organisation is much more Successful to create White Power Groups than any White Power Group in the First Place. Cause they focus the Attention and their Interpretation on so many others, that new Followers would belief thats the Way to be like that.
And there are not so many WP Noise People around, who are really into Politics. Hard to see any Political Structure in this Musical Subgenre at all. Mostly just Shock Value with a wide Variations of Shock Themes and its really hard to take it serious. Its like Black Metal some Years ago, where People where shocked with Satan Images.
On the other Hand it begins to went wrong, when the Listener try to choose, what the Artist try to interpret. There is always the possibility to be wrong with the Interpretation and sadly most People try to dictate their Interpretation to all others, insted to discuss the Interpretation.
So it went wrong and the Artist feels minsunderstood. (If he is not only in for the Shock Value of course)
I would say, if you take Con Dom's A Mans Skin Colour DLP and Streicher's Hammerskin Tape, its like two complete different Interpretations. A Lot of People call both WP Electronics, like its the same
Thanks for writing and giving a good intelligent insight and nice reply back in regards to the subject. I think you're spot on with a lot of what you said, including the line about how people dictate to others their own interpretations and pretty soon the fact can be become so misconstrued to the point it's lost it's original meaning. I think this happens more then it doesnt. Also an interesting point about black metal, how in the beginning it was like satanic panic moment and remember all those guys in 2nd wave like Darkthrone, Burzum, ect. Were adamant that their intentions we never satanic, but now you look today at some of these bands like Hellvetron or even Inquisition who have sort built off of those myths of the early 90s. I think that's a little bit the same thing going on in PE in some ways.