I don't know if there was a topic like that, but i'd like to create a ranking of the best albums in your opinion.
So, let me start :)
Absolutely number 1. Nicole 12 - Braces EP
2. Consumer Electronics - Estuary English and Dollhouse Songs (exe quo)
3. Whitehouse - Bird Seed
4. Taint - Whoredom and Mysoginist Lust (exe quo)
5. Nicole 12 - Substitute
So that's like 5 best albums for me, what would you choose?
Edit: Albums, EP's and 7'' too
I don't think I could narrow down to just five, even for each genre I listen to...but current top five at least are:
Taint- Sex Sick
SPK- From Science to Ritual
Whitehouse- Dedicated to Peter Kurten
Premature Ejaculation- Dead Horse Riddles
Peturbator- The Uncanny Valley (I know, I know...shoot me)
John Carpenter- Lost Themes II is a close runner up, I can't wait to see him live in June!
Not pe/industrial/ambient but I can't get enough of that White Death mcd, Reptile Womb- The Fyrst Deathe, Vorum- Current Mouth mlp, anything and everything with Vetala, everything by Vampyric Blood (incredible Sorath and old Black Funeral worship!), Diaboli- Wiking Division, Aryan Art LP etc.
Also Braces EP is an EP...not an album...I'd be here ALL DAY if we were doing EP's and 7''...First Dance of Spring is even better though! Pony is possibly my favorite Nicole 12 song ever, that sample hahaha..
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on May 21, 2016, 01:40:20 AM
Also Braces EP is an EP...not an album...I'd be here ALL DAY if we were doing EP's and 7''...First Dance of Spring is even better though! Pony is possibly my favorite Nicole 12 song ever, that sample hahaha..
i edited the topic a little so EP's and 7'' will count in haha
This is nearly impossible, but the following are among my favorites...
Atrax Morgue - Death-Orgasm Connector
Merzbow - Metalvelodrome
The Klinik - Sabotage
The Sodality - Beyond Unknown Pleasures
Whitehouse - Great White Death
EP-wise
Bizarre Uproar - Musta Rotta
Grunt - Dead Beauty
are absolutely mandatory!
Quote from: 13 on May 21, 2016, 06:44:27 PMAtrax Morgue - Death-Orgasm Connector
Just starting to get into Atrax Morgue, not sure if it's a good starting point but Paranoia just crossed my path for pretty cheap so I'm going to sit down with some of my anxiety and enjoy this album later this evening...hopefully.
Ive never understood the praise for Nicole 12, to me its all very predictable.
Off the top of my head:
Anenzephalia "Ephemeral dawn" CD (Tesco)
Core "An area's era aria" LP (Coc)
Entre Vifs "Heavy duty" KZ (Cthulhu)
Lustmord "Heresy" CD (Soleilmoon)
Maeror Tri "Pleroma / Altrove" PIC 10" (Ant-Zen)
Nightmarish "Pompeji" CD (Galakthorrö)
Organum "Sphyx" LP (Aeroplane)
O Yuki Conjugate "Into dark water" LP (Final Image)
Proiekt Hat "Lebensunwertes leben" LP (CMI)
S·Core "Missing volume" LP (Zabriskie Point)
Small Cruel Party "Islands of sleep" LP (G.M.B.H.)
Werkbund "Skagerrak" LP (Walter Ulbricht)
Look, no one released after 2000... These ones I keep returning to, and has had a larger impact on my further listening.
As for 7": David Jackman "Flag of surrender" (Die Stadt) and Lille Roger "Undead" (CMI).
Quote from: Leewar on May 22, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
Ive never understood the praise for Nicole 12, to me its all very predictable.
Why being predictable is something bad ? If a band is steadily good delivering what knows best and what fans want, is that bad ? Or is the unpredictable always good ? OK, i get it when someone is repeating himself again and again, this can be a little boring for some people. But if something is already good, then the unpredictable most of the times leads to failure and disappointment. So the only question that really matters is you like what you listen or not ? , imo. Generally speaking.
Quote from: Leewar on May 22, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
Ive never understood the praise for Nicole 12, to me its all very predictable.
The whole discography, or which releases are you referring too? Just out of curiousity. I think the 7''s and Black Line definitely have their own unique style personally, but even the old stuff I can't think of anything to compare too? I'm not the most well versed in PE/Noise as some here admittedly so maybe I'm wrong.
I personally love the Nicole 12 project... cold / undistorted synth patterns over reverb laden samples and whispered pervert vocals... can't beat it
Quote from: totalabuse on June 01, 2016, 04:21:55 AM
I personally love the Nicole 12 project... cold / undistorted synth patterns over reverb laden samples and whispered pervert vocals... can't beat it
Seconded. Sure, some of it is predictable but as others already pointed out that mustn't necessarily be a bad thing. With noise and PE being around for nearly 40 years it's hard to be unpredictable. But we are getting off-topic... ;-)
I agree that's it nearly impossible to make a ranking from the tons and tons of releases, simply too much amongst it that greatly tickles my spine but these are some of my all-time favourites to which i keep getting back :
Keimverbreitung : Metastasis tape
Steel Hook Prostheses : Torturous Anxiety
Am Not : Unpunished
Mörkermännen : Hell on Earth
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 01, 2016, 01:46:11 AM
Quote from: Leewar on May 22, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
Ive never understood the praise for Nicole 12, to me its all very predictable.
The whole discography, or which releases are you referring too? Just out of curiousity. I think the 7''s and Black Line definitely have their own unique style personally, but even the old stuff I can't think of anything to compare too? I'm not the most well versed in PE/Noise as some here admittedly so maybe I'm wrong.
I have just never been impressed with the whole project, cant remember what ive heard, think it was a couple of the 7"'s but it just struck me as the usual 'bloke pretending to be a bit of a pedo, after purchasing his first Sotos book' type material, some good sounds but just seems more for superficial 'shock' value then anything more.
Quote from: Leewar on June 01, 2016, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 01, 2016, 01:46:11 AM
Quote from: Leewar on May 22, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
Ive never understood the praise for Nicole 12, to me its all very predictable.
The whole discography, or which releases are you referring too? Just out of curiousity. I think the 7''s and Black Line definitely have their own unique style personally, but even the old stuff I can't think of anything to compare too? I'm not the most well versed in PE/Noise as some here admittedly so maybe I'm wrong.
I have just never been impressed with the whole project, cant remember what ive heard, think it was a couple of the 7"'s but it just struck me as the usual 'bloke pretending to be a bit of a pedo, after purchasing his first Sotos book' type material, some good sounds but just seems more for superficial 'shock' value then anything more.
actually, i really apprecieate those albums for it's sound, sometimes is really calm ("Substitue" the first track on Substitute album) i can say sad (Ballerina) and sometimes just kickass loud and crazy (like Nippon Lolita Substitute) also that fascination went from the other fascination of "daddy and his princess" role plays... so some of the topics there are not anything weird for me
Quote from: Leewar on June 01, 2016, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 01, 2016, 01:46:11 AM
Quote from: Leewar on May 22, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
Ive never understood the praise for Nicole 12, to me its all very predictable.
The whole discography, or which releases are you referring too? Just out of curiousity. I think the 7''s and Black Line definitely have their own unique style personally, but even the old stuff I can't think of anything to compare too? I'm not the most well versed in PE/Noise as some here admittedly so maybe I'm wrong.
I have just never been impressed with the whole project, cant remember what ive heard, think it was a couple of the 7"'s but it just struck me as the usual 'bloke pretending to be a bit of a pedo, after purchasing his first Sotos book' type material, some good sounds but just seems more for superficial 'shock' value then anything more.
Sounds like the concept of project went over your head, straight to your feelings.
Not really, just old and jaded.
Nope, still comes across as a bad attempt at copying Whitehouse's "Mummy and daddy" album.
And no im not upset by it or hurt, i just think its about as safe as you can get in this scene.
Well, it's an equally unhelpful idea that the only sacred cows in PE come from 30 odd years ago.
I've only ever heard good things - sometimes bordering on evangelical - about Nicole12 but after plenty of listening over many years I struggle to get past some very basic stumbling blocks. I think the music is great: excellently composed and often minimal synth textures with great pacing. But much of the lyrical quantity of the work (which surely nobody could deny is integral to the project?) is riddled with quite bad writing and even some pretty broken English at times! Maybe that can't be helped and is unfair to pick on, but it prevents the project from fully building the world that I think it is trying to. From listening, the overarching feeling I still have is of a person who has decided to do an industrial project about paedophilia rather than the bare bones expose it is often heralded as. I dont feel it particularly makes any interest statements about it's subjects beyond identifying in detail that things like that exist, and it feels like just making these references and saying these things explicitly is enough for people to buy into it as a super provocative project. N12 is made for and consumed almost exclusively by an audience well aware of what to expect from the genre and many of these people will have clear knowledge that this person talking is Mikko Aspa rather than a pervy dad cumming on his daughters shoes. Whether or not it is the case for anyone else, these things really prevent me from finding the project that affecting, and so in these contexts I'd agree with Leewar that it is pretty safe. Enjoyable, sure.
All just my very humble opinion of course...but I think there are more passes given to projects in the worlds of Noise and PE owing to who is behind them and what they are about than many folk would like to admit, and that buck doesn't begin and end with middle aged men who were in Whitehouse.
Quote from: Duncan on June 04, 2016, 12:10:02 PM
Well, it's an equally unhelpful idea that the only sacred cows in PE come from 30 odd years ago.
I've only ever heard good things - sometimes bordering on evangelical - about Nicole12 but after plenty of listening over many years I struggle to get past some very basic stumbling blocks. I think the music is great: excellently composed and often minimal synth textures with great pacing. But much of the lyrical quantity of the work (which surely nobody could deny is integral to the project?) is riddled with quite bad writing and even some pretty broken English at times! Maybe that can't be helped and is unfair to pick on, but it prevents the project from fully building the world that I think it is trying to. From listening, the overarching feeling I still have is of a person who has decided to do an industrial project about paedophilia rather than the bare bones expose it is often heralded as. I dont feel it particularly makes any interest statements about it's subjects beyond identifying in detail that things like that exist, and it feels like just making these references and saying these things explicitly is enough for people to buy into it as a super provocative project. N12 is made for and consumed almost exclusively by an audience well aware of what to expect from the genre and many of these people will have clear knowledge that this person talking is Mikko Aspa rather than a pervy dad cumming on his daughters shoes. Whether or not it is the case for anyone else, these things really prevent me from finding the project that affecting, and so in these contexts I'd agree with Leewar that it is pretty safe. Enjoyable, sure.
All just my very humble opinion of course...but I think there are more passes given to projects in the worlds of Noise and PE owing to who is behind them and what they are about than many folk would like to admit, and that buck doesn't begin and end with middle aged men who were in Whitehouse.
Nailed it.
Quote from: Leewar on June 04, 2016, 10:43:04 AM
And no im not upset by it or hurt, i just think its about as safe as you can get in this scene.
So what's "unsafe" in this scene nowdays ? Peace-love-unity ? Make love not war stuff ? I guess yes, that would be considered "unsafe" given that i agree the most "safe" path for a project nowdays is "put a swastika on the cover". That said, i don't really care about "safe" and "unsafe". All i care is if something works for me and if its concept is in the wider of spectrum of my interests or at least to not be as stupid as "Imagine all the people ..." songs, and i don't necessarily ask those both things happen on the same time.
I don't seek to be shocked, neither to be surprised, so safe / unsafe is pretty much meaningless to me. One [Me!] could also translate that "safe" as "keeping / following the traditions of the genre", thing i appreciate.
Id say its 'safe' more as its a safe bet for a audience, same as you say - sticking a swastika on the cover.
Was this done deliberately? I doubt it, but at the same time for me personally it was nothing new, as i said i enjoyed the sounds, but just dont understand the praise.
Would the Salty Milk audio be a better study on its own? Probably but maybe thats a whole new topic of "upping the shock ante". Im sure somebody will go straight to the source one day.
Quote from: Theodore on June 04, 2016, 03:50:30 PM"unsafe"
All this talk about safe/unsafe is totally insane!
http://www.discogs.com/Bizarre-Uproar-Unsafe-And-Insane/master/546656
I disagree with the talk of Nicole 12 being safe. It does not fail to convey its content in a disturbing manner. I liked the sound, but I hated the concept and general atmosphere so much that I stopped listening to it pretty much right away and haven't listened to it for years. Honestly I think perhaps it shouldn't have been made at all. But to say that it is ineffective, cliched or "safe" is not true. I would certainly not praise it - i don't even like it, despite being a huge fan of a large chunk of Mikkos output - but as a pure "piece of art" aimed at provoking, exploring the subject and being disturbing, I don't think Nicole 12 was ineffective at all. And grammatical errors don't matter in this particular case.