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[Noise and online life as subject matter]

#21

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Noise about the internet?

Last post by FreakAnimalFinland - Today at 12:18:48 PM

I was reading curious essays from UNTITLED issue 11 (fall 2025) that had bunch of texts filed under common headline Noise and online life as subject matter. There are interesting points made in four different takes about it, but most of all, I found myself almost amused to think how diametrically different feelings I would have about it.

As example, I don't share sort of nostalgia about shopping malls like Chris Gibson does. Indeed, the decayed malls are somewhat interesting reminder of changing lifestyles of people, yet I never understood the idea of "hanging out at mall". I always associated that the UG misfits of all kind, pretty much loathed the idea of spending your free time... at the mall? When just about entire world is out there, it would seems like example of simple minded mainstream kids to have no other idea than.. "lets meet at the mall". Yet, in context of noise and in context of quickly decaying form of society, of course it has interesting elements.

However, more curious I felt about mr. Henteleff text titled "Noise about the internet". I have to recommend buying the zine, as I can't really cut & paste or elaborate all the ideas of the piece. What captured my attention, enough to actually read it twice, just to make sure I did got the main points right... was that it really does conclude that:

People are naturally drawn towards art that reflects and gives meaning to their experiences. As the internet's share of our lives grows, creative works that incorporate it effectively  will become more relevant, and those that do not will seem antiquated. It is therefore essential that, if this thing we like is to continue being important to us, it takes on subject matter that is significant to us. Otherwise, we will move on and Noise will be left as a novelty.

Text does mention noise does incorporate elements synonymous with being online. I am wondering that is really non-internet, non-virtual antiquated? For me, perhaps due elements of industrial culture, noise is associated with critic to contemporary society and what constitutes as expected lifestyle. I see more and more noise folks that actually drop out. Especially they drop out of social media, but also highly limit their screen time and experiences. Dropping out from consuming internet streams, and so on on and...

They do it exactly for reason that internet share of our lives grows, and most often has become counterproductive in terms of experience.

In recent times, it was largely discussed how all the hit art exhibitions in Finland were the ones, that museum not only had something visually suitable for social media, but actively encouraged people to do so. Pieces that can be experienced in form of someone posting selfie to IG, with that particular cool piece seen simultaneously. In some ways, it was success. A lot of people coming in. A lot of people enjoying. A lot of media attention. Free-of-charge street team of people promoting the exhibition. Problem was mainly, that this approach was counterproductive towards art that is meant to be experienced, thought of, not manifesting itself in tiny phone screen size image. Many argued that art got lost into this somewhat meaningless media consumption. Suddenly it was more about people posting selfies online, display of being there, and people watching online this happening, while amount of people who would go to experience art was way smaller than amount of people who are more or less "content creators" for internet.

I always considered noise as extensions of something real. As ways of making it, being physical, concrete, something you invested time, energy and commitment. As listener, you'd dive deep, indeed like the essay says "being drawn towards art that reflects and gives meaning". I know some people prefer dreaming or escapism etc, I have noticed more the opposite? Escapism often endorses turning away from real life; opposite comes with finding the meaning, light and beauty within what one felt like escaping from OR creating the new reality. Within noise, many times, there is the new, preferably non-virtual life. Some have social life there, some don't. For some it connects to their lifestyles, surroundings etc.

I am sure there are ton of people who lives lifestyle where internet really is what gives the meaning. I just can't really get it and I see a lot of people who appear to be the same. None of them really die hard luddites or antiquated. Many appear more like... progressed. Seeing how internet share of live is already too much and to give all the rest to it, is not going backwards or staying behind, but progress.

If I see band or artist address internet as topic or theme, it is largely turn off. One that did make me wonder was one of the ideas why internet experience as topic of noise might be less popular was hypothesis that Noise is relative unpopular, so there are fewer people coming into the genre with new ideas.

Aaarrggg... I mean, internet experience as idea, I would assume that big part of pornographic noise is exactly that? There is a lot of internet experience as intrinsic quality of noise themes, yet I would assume its like artists who got into topic from book, despite THE BOOK as topic could be done, but most often what really matter is what is inside the book, not book as format and as means of experiencing the world?

Anyways, long rant, but points: Untitled #11 - recommended!  Internet experience as topic of noise, opinions?

#22

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Re: YLEINEN NOISE FIILISTELY S...

Last post by Manhog_84 - Today at 11:21:11 AM

Merzbow eilen Ääniwallissa toimi itselleni mainiosti. Pitkä keikka kesti melkein tunnin. Viimeksi Kuudennella linjalla setti oli suunnilleen yhtä pitkä. Moni tuntui olevan vähän ettei oikein innostanut, mutta eri mieltä! Intensiteetti kesti hyvin koko ajan. No ehkä se edellinen keikka oli parempi kun ei tarvinnut katsella "lumoavaa" AI-taustamaisemaa. Taustaprojektio, savukone ja diskovalot oli aika järjetön yhdistelmä kyllä muutenkin heh. Silloin kun Government Alpha oli Suomessa niin se taustavideo oli ihan hauskaa älyttömyyttä joka sopi meininkiin, mutta jos vastaavaa näkyy melukeikoilla enemmänkin niin idea vanheni jo ajat sitten. Keikassa oli useita eri vaiheita ja pidin siitä alun kollaasimaisesta osuudesta joka muistutti kasari häröily kolisteluita. Siinä vaiheessa kun alkoi tulla rajumpaa kohinaa niin mietin että onpas monotonista, mutta kun tulpat otti päästä niin huomasi että ne leikkasivat tiety taajuudet pois ja kyllähän siinä tapahtui koko ajan. Vittu mikä ihmisryntäys, varmaan 500 osallistujaa. Ei tuolta meinannut päästä ulos. Melko ankea merch-pöytä, Merzbowlta oli pari 20€ cd:ta myynnissä.

Metsäkirkko oli todella minimalistinen, mutta myös todella tylsä. Hieman kuten Nuori veri keikalla Lahdessa, volyymi oli hiljainen ja esitys tuntui koostuvan aika hajanaisista äänistä jotka jossain määrin sitten yhdistyivät toisiinsa, kuten haitariluuppi. Mukana oli myös performanssia, kuten kuusen havulla nesteen pirskottaminen yleisön päälle ja siellä kiersi myös joku mystinen puulevy. Yleisö oli onneksi hiljaa eikä mölöttänyt päälle.

#23

CLASSIFIED ADS / Re: Metal to the Core 1986 || ...

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#24

Live Show Announcements / Re: 2-14-2026 - Banjo's Dead F...

Last post by prolapsedlielack - Today at 09:36:09 AM

UPDATED FLYER WITH TWO ACTS.

#25

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Re: Grunt !

Last post by Minus1 - Today at 05:39:45 AM

I want to acknowledge that, as I type, I am experiencing my very first Grunt, in the form of Petturien Rooli. I'm really fucking impressed so far. Track 1 had me thinking, with what sounds like wailing guitar, that Metalheads would love this Noise. Track 2 changes course, rather haunting. Track 3 sees a beautiful, junky ambiance. Such variety just one-third in. Everything segues?

I love it.

Edit: A magnificent, varied work that adds up to a seamless whole. I swear I'm not blowing hot-air simply because The Man Himself is here. 😂

64min - this must be one of the longer Grunts?

#26

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Re: Books about noise/experime...

Last post by Balor/SS1535 - Today at 03:58:13 AM

Has anyone read this?  https://www.lulu.com/shop/philippe-blache/the-art-of-duration-and-resonance/paperback/product-1w4gpwd9.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq4srbWbQ6o-kiYxaVkpKgv3k9WpekSNUNvUZ_RuaEeoc4ElVeA&page=1&pageSize=4

I came across it while reading the MD Wikipedia page.

#27

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Re: Notable voices

Last post by tisbor - Today at 01:10:40 AM

Not a surprising list but big influences and also my favorites:

Tongue in cheek, over the top and murmured Whitehouse
Mark Solotroff in Intrinsic Action, Bloodyminded etc
Mike Dando
Final Solution
Wertham
Murder Corporation
Mauthausen Orchestra
Bizarre Uproar/XE
Atrax Morgue
classic Teatro Satanico
Taint
Nicole 12
Anenzephalia
Streicher/Goldenrod
Slogun

but most of all:

Gero 30

I'm probably forgetting something

#28

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Re: Soundcloud, bandcamp ?

Last post by Theodore - January 14, 2026, 10:13:42 PM

https://opusdeisociety.bandcamp.com/
https://disabusetransmissions.bandcamp.com/

#29

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Re: K2 appreciation

Last post by impulse manslaughter - January 14, 2026, 09:41:32 PM

100% agreed. Such a great series of collaborations.

[Incipientium - Untitled]

#30

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION / Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REV...

Last post by John Cagefight - January 14, 2026, 08:50:48 PM

Incipientium - Untitled
self released - 2024
This release went out in a short run of 13 copies to be distributed at a performance at Discreet Music shop just over a year ago. It's very excellent kosmiche sounds that fits right in with the rest of the artist's catalog of highly narrative works and follows a similar pattern where more abstract or droning sections give rise to wholly excellent melodic reliefs. Side A features a series of synthesizer test tones sustained, twinkling, breathing, and overlapping until they give rise to a reverb-soaked feedback and chord swell finale. Side B opens with a room recording of muffled voices and gong tones that move into a brief passage of meditative om-chanting. This gives way to the cassette's crescendo of highly epic melodic guitar riffing that escalates into a pitch bending, feedback, and tape squeal triumph. As the cassette winds down I can only think "Its impossible for me to listen to Incipientium and not think about Popol Vuh."

Tahma - II
Satatuhatta - 2025
I'll confess this is the first Tahma release I've taken in, and my oh my does it hit all the right notes for me. I'm quite excited to go back and find a copy of the self-titled cassette on Satatuhatta from the year prior. Distinctly dirty, stop-start noise that gives me deep empathy for the Stop and Play buttons on the artists Walkman. Some particularly melty tape warble sections that pepper the on and off frenzy help instill a real swampy aura across the affair, and occasionally the pacing of the manic scramble will yield for some very brief moments of lingering electronic sustain to give the listener a chance to hang their coat on something - but never for any length of time. Nothing sits or rides for more than say 5-10 seconds, always cutting to the next series of hiccups and stalls. If I space out enough I can imagine the pacing of a high-tempo free jazz percussionist wailing on his kit - but its all anonymous mid range scrape and pummel. Massively appealing in every capacity and works distinctly well in the 3" length / format.