INCAPACITANTS

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, May 13, 2014, 11:35:09 AM

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ddmurph

Quote from: prelapsus on September 08, 2024, 01:40:21 PMHad to resurrect this thread to say the show in London last night was incredible. Was anyone able to do both of them? Would be interested to hear how the sets compared to each other.

As Loud As Possible has always been my favourite but last night has made me want to go digging. Appreciate this thread.
I was there Friday. Had to fly home really early Saturday for a friend's wedding so missed that set. Apparently Saturday was a bit more structured and longer than Friday.

Friday was incredible. Easily one of the best gigs I've ever seen. It's a long time since I've experienced that level of giddiness/anticipation. But fuck me did they deliver. Absolutely stunning and joyous. Totally reaffirmed for me why they're the absolute greatest.

Moran

"Earthdamned" on Oxen Man's Uneasiness has constantly changing sounds of feedback, distortion, howling, metal-sounding things, reverberations, etc., that cohere to form an expansive environment; the sounds retain individual character, which contributes to the constant harshness and chaos inherent in Incapacitants' uniquely beautiful sound.

Minus1

Fuck I love the 4 (I know, right?) Incapacitants CDs that I have.

There's such a beautiful purity / energy / passion / vision / execution in this sound. One gets the feeling that they are barely handling / managing a monster. There's a tension that emerges here, a special kind of suspense, that I have not fully discovered in other Noise. I find myself cheering / concerned for the creators of this. "You can do this, guys. Hang in there." In a strange way, this is Hitchcock of Noise for me. (I'm aware that none of this makes sense - sorry.)

(TMI Alert: I type this from the bathtub, while New Movements In CMPD blasts forth.)

It appears, from readings here and elsewhere, that I am stupid for not getting Box Is Stupid. But the damn thing is now rather elusive.

Please help me to acquire it, Specint. Please.



Give Me CDs Or Give Me Death.

Kaaoskultti

Quote from: Moran on October 15, 2024, 05:27:32 PM"Earthdamned" on Oxen Man's Uneasiness has constantly changing sounds of feedback, distortion, howling, metal-sounding things, reverberations, etc., that cohere to form an expansive environment; the sounds retain individual character, which contributes to the constant harshness and chaos inherent in Incapacitants' uniquely beautiful sound.

Not only that, but the first and third tracks are fueled with such depth and nuance that adds up to a majorly interesting listening. "Earthdamned" also retains this 'individuality' whilst being volatile at the same time, straining away from a HNW dynamic while being just as massive as. Really good release.
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Moran

Quote from: Kaaoskultti on February 13, 2025, 07:17:48 PMNot only that, but the first and third tracks are fueled with such depth and nuance that adds up to a majorly interesting listening. "Earthdamned" also retains this 'individuality' whilst being volatile at the same time, straining away from a HNW dynamic while being just as massive as. Really good release.
I agree. The first three tracks develop noise in a direction I haven't heard elsewhere. It's like harsh musique concrète without academic baggage.

Minus1

Well I'm sure glad that I ordered Oxen Man's Uneasiness today, based on the previous few posts. Everything else I have from Incapacitants is much older.

I wonder if post 2010 (or whatever - later) Incapacitants is much better than we give credit for? (Similarly with Merzbow?)

In Rock many fans claim the late-60s as being the most classic period. Are we like that in Noise? ie "The mid-90s just can't be beat, Man."
Give Me CDs Or Give Me Death.

Moran

#51
Oxen Man's Uneasiness, Encounter When Pigs Fly and Achilles Tendon Rupture have great moments of flowing layered noise like earlier Incapacitants and Toshiji Mikawa, although I don't like the common toy-like sounds.

Reading Balor's posts in the Merzbox thread made me think I should try lesser-known Merzbow again. I feel that newer Incapacitants isn't appreciated very much although it's not too different in quality from the 90s CDs.

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Moran on July 20, 2025, 07:03:23 PMI feel that newer Incapacitants isn't appreciated very much although it's not too different in quality from the 90s CDs.

Sometimes that tiny thing is what makes big difference. As much as I WANT to like all new Incapacitants, there is very little of 2010-2020's Incapacitants that hits hard. And its not act of nostalgia, but about wanting great sounding noise. I suppose there is this one element that some of best albums was recorded at studio. Probably simply to be able to blast loud with amps?

Now when you listen some of new stuff, not sure where it is recorded, but production sounds like one would just slide all the levels up in the max with DAW. As opposed to ripping noisiness, there is that oddly phase error sounding bass-boosted "digital boost sound". I was just comparing Savage Gospel split material with older stuff and of course I can't say how much Grant has boosted it to know was it like that before.

I am not even comparing to painful early 90's screech. Heavier, more electronics and bassy ALAP, Ministry work perhaps as better example how some of new is pretty good, but there is that small difference how either toy-electronic type of sounds make is less appealing and many times that entire production often classic albums is so much stronger than they get for new material. I suppose this can be simply development of studios too. In former decades, whatever studio you used, may benefit the recordings, while these days feels that most of the time, going to studio will ruin almost whatever music you're making...

However, I have not given up! Incapacitants have all all these different phases over the years and perhaps there will be again something different coming up.
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theotherjohn

https://otoroku.bandcamp.com/album/chwalfa

New live CD of both Cafe OTO residency sets from September 2024 in London UK.

BatteredStatesofEuphoria

Quote from: Minus1 on July 20, 2025, 03:59:09 AMI wonder if post 2010 (or whatever - later) Incapacitants is much better than we give credit for? (Similarly with Merzbow?)

In Rock many fans claim the late-60s as being the most classic period. Are we like that in Noise? ie "The mid-90s just can't be beat, Man."

From a personal standpoint, I think this is a combination of the inevitable nostalgia for that initial euphoria when discovering something new along with "project fatigue."

A lot of people got into noise in the 90s/early 00s, so of course, we all look back on that time period when everything was fresh and new to us with fondness, when we were snatching up everything we could find, and probably tend to overvalue those releases a bit.

Along with that, when you have the veterans that have been putting out stuff for decades now, there's comes a time for me when I get to the point of "Do I really need any more of this?" That seems to be about 20 releases or so usually. That doesn't mean a project still doesn't have it and isn't putting out solid material. But its much harder to justify getting EVERYTHING anymore (and with how prolific some artists are, it'd be nigh impossible anyway). I'm mostly content with what I already have. I've got plenty of choices when I want to hear Incaps, Govt Alpha, Knurl, or Merzbow, for instance. Doesn't mean I won't get more occasionally, but it has to be something that people are buzzing about more than usual.

Certainly not implying an artist should stop putting stuff out if the fire moves them, either. Its impressive to see the longevity of a lot of these folks. My wallet and free time, however, are not so impressive. :P

Moran

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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on July 22, 2025, 10:29:49 AMSometimes that tiny thing is what makes big difference. As much as I WANT to like all new Incapacitants, there is very little of 2010-2020's Incapacitants that hits hard. And its not act of nostalgia, but about wanting great sounding noise. I suppose there is this one element that some of best albums was recorded at studio. Probably simply to be able to blast loud with amps?

Now when you listen some of new stuff, not sure where it is recorded, but production sounds like one would just slide all the levels up in the max with DAW. As opposed to ripping noisiness, there is that oddly phase error sounding bass-boosted "digital boost sound". I was just comparing Savage Gospel split material with older stuff and of course I can't say how much Grant has boosted it to know was it like that before.

I am not even comparing to painful early 90's screech. Heavier, more electronics and bassy ALAP, Ministry work perhaps as better example how some of new is pretty good, but there is that small difference how either toy-electronic type of sounds make is less appealing and many times that entire production often classic albums is so much stronger than they get for new material. I suppose this can be simply development of studios too. In former decades, whatever studio you used, may benefit the recordings, while these days feels that most of the time, going to studio will ruin almost whatever music you're making...

However, I have not given up! Incapacitants have all all these different phases over the years and perhaps there will be again something different coming up.
I agree with your thoughts, only for 2010s Incapacitants, which lacks the roughness and cohesion of 90s releases; the "phase error . . . bass-boosted" sound bothers me. I haven't spent much time with the split with Savage Gospel, but Oxen Man's Uneasiness and Achilles Tendon Rupture mix the uncanny clean feeling of post-2010s Incapacitants with the energy of earlier albums. The toy-like sounds and computer-like sounds don't get any less annoying, but there's something attractive about how they're arranged in these releases, like experiencing a crowded area with flowing and clashing movements, and all sorts of annoying and appealing sounds.

FreakAnimalFinland

I think there is often too much weight put on that people rely on "nostalgia". Many times there is preference or perhaps even undisputed quality that was more prevalent in certain time and less so now. One doesn't necessary approach it as "return to 80's (or 90's or whatever)", but simply seeks for appealing elements.
I would compare it even with appreciating hand drawn image vs generic AI works. Wanting to see real deal lino-cut print and not generated emulation of "almost like it". Its less about being nostalgic, but simply preference in finest detail. Some technic and methods remained appreciated and almost timeless, due having something special in them and are not nostalgia but recognizing quality? Just like we tend to recognize quality within certain decades and its not like it all rules due nostalgia.

I think Incapacitants, as is, still sets certain standards for intensity and fast moving due-noise. Even if would not think production is THE best or that some of sounds would be, even the UK live just linked here, there is that total INCAPACITANTS tension there, plus constant spastic motion, even with droning and monolithic stillness being there at the same time. Sometimes those qualities are more valuable than someone offering good recording and neat texture, but not being very good in "playing noise", so to say. Incapacitants clearly rule in playing live noise in duo format.
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moozz

Quote from: Minus1 on July 20, 2025, 03:59:09 AMI wonder if post 2010 (or whatever - later) Incapacitants is much better than we give credit for? (Similarly with Merzbow?)

Survival Of The Laziest is a great Incapacitants album from 2017.