Scientific Noise

Started by Alex, February 06, 2011, 06:06:03 PM

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Alex

I gather there has been done a lot of research on different sounds' effect on people, I'm interested in hearing about noise or experimental music that uses methods in that area. There are records like Lustmord - Heresy or L/A/B - Psychoacoustics that in their liner notes point to the function of the music in a (pseudo?) scientific manner.
What I'm after is "the science of pleasure" I guess, and artists that explicitly (or unknowingly for that matter) employ it. Or is it just a question of taste?

Jaakko V.

The Hafler Trio!

(Which deserves a topic of its own.)

imaginaryforces

Quote from: Jaakko V. on February 06, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
The Hafler Trio!

(Which deserves a topic of its own.)

Whilst I love The Hafler Trio, I wouldn't say that thier work was in any way scientific. Sometimes vaguely philosophical and touching lightly on religion.

Alex

I have The Hafler Trio - The Name of Someone, maybe I should give those discs a listen again.

I wrote "the science of pleasure" which is a bit vague. Part of what I mean is the effect on the listener of specific frequencies, but releases with scientific themes (including conceptual releases) can also be mentioned here I suppose.

Jaakko V.

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Quote from: imaginaryforces on February 06, 2011, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: Jaakko V. on February 06, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
The Hafler Trio!

(Which deserves a topic of its own.)

Whilst I love The Hafler Trio, I wouldn't say that thier work was in any way scientific. Sometimes vaguely philosophical and touching lightly on religion.


I am referring to the fact the Hafler Trio describes "psychoacoustics" as one of the main fields of operation, and Andrew defines himself as a "mood engineer" instead of a musician. Of course not scientific at all in the exact meaning, but enough to be mentioned here.

Bereft

Perfect example are two lustmord related projects:
Arecibo, Transplutonian Transmissions  which explores deep space noise

and

Isolrulbin bk  Crash injury trauma, which explores the mechanics of car crashes via sound.

P-K


Strömkarlen

Quote from: Alex on February 06, 2011, 06:06:03 PM
I gather there has been done a lot of research on different sounds' effect on people, I'm interested in hearing about noise or experimental music that uses methods in that area. There are records like Lustmord - Heresy or L/A/B - Psychoacoustics that in their liner notes point to the function of the music in a (pseudo?) scientific manner.
What I'm after is "the science of pleasure" I guess, and artists that explicitly (or unknowingly for that matter) employ it. Or is it just a question of taste?

There was a lot of talk about research in the late eighties/early nineties. Kind of in the way everything is an obsession these days.
Hausswolff claiming that Life and Death of PBOC was putting people to sleep and that was a good thing. That the record had a function besides the obvious i.e. being a good record.
A shitload of TOPY related releases coming with all matters of pseudomumbojambo etc. attached to it.

Isn't Z'ev involved with "Sonic archeology" these days? I saw some images of him bagging with rocks on other rocks.

If I recall right Cabs viewed themselves as a research unit and H3O tried really hard to have that persona also. Schloss Tegal was also into the research bit if I recall right and Giancarlo Toniutti has a LOT of theories about his sound.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Giancarlo+Toniutti

Fitting here perhaps. I read in the newspaper this weekend that they done research in Norway on kids with ADHD. They could all concentrate and study properly if there was a constant drone roughly in style and volume of a vacuum cleaner in the room. Normal kids did worse.... Couldn't help thinking about HNW when I read that.

Konvuls

Look up the band SPK. They should be right up your alley, as they conducted research alongside producing albums. 1978-1982 was when they made "industrial" "music", and from 1983 until the early nineties they produced mostly synth-pop music, which I personally dislike, but I found some live versions of those tracks from '82 to be enjoyable. Check out their albums Information Overload Unit and Leichenschrei. Information Overload Unit was top of the line noise mixed with background beats, and on occasion, scattered metallic percussion, while Leichenschrei is mostly metal percussion, distorted electronics, and interesting sound sources such as frozen knives thrown into boiling oil, and extremely heavy pieces of junk being dropped from what I recall to be at least 100ish feet. Their 1979 work was experimental synth-punk, for the most part, with Slogun being top grade power electronics used extremely rhythmically. If you like what you hear, be sure to check out their documents and interviews, in which they discussed the methods by which they created the music, as well as it's effects on the listener.

P-K


ImpulsyStetoskopu

Quote from: P-K on February 13, 2011, 10:23:17 AM
SPK scientific?!?

Hehehe, surgery, psychiatry, sociology, philosophy, maybe in these means? :)

FreakAnimalFinland

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Lets start with my favorite thing nowadays on boards, getting first to root of meaning of the word:
QuoteScience (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. An older meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained.

And if we're talking about experimental music, perhaps we could simply talk of experimental science? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_science
To me, it would seem that in the field of our pseudo music, the pseudo science dominates. And, that it simply operates in manners of tests & experiments, not really the conclusions. Science would be rather the form of alchemy.

One could say bands like Con-Dom, could be seen as scientific noise. The repeated references to Pawlows dogs, how the gigs and recordings over and over again prove the conditioned responses build in majority of listeners. It may not be only the sound itself, which might be topic of this, but I would guess this is much more valid approach than attempt to find some... ehm.. brown note!

To me, it's not necessary to call it "scientific". But I am pretty interested in effect of sound, merely as listening pleasure. What is the difference of hearing material what is limited to area of human hearing, compared to material what goes beyond the hearing. And perhaps compared to material which is restricted to highly compressed substitute audio, which only focuses on sound that is playable via laptop speakers. If material is played with accurate stereo image, with proper speakers, with proper volumes, how it affects the listener compared substitute what is just tiny fragment of the original sonic content?

I'm not sure, but I recall there was discussion about something what could be perhaps labeled as "concrete sound". Not to be confused with any other than the pure meaning of concrete: "capable of being perceived by the senses; not abstract or imaginary". This, being something, what merely by hearing, will give you idea of source, loudness, magnitude, etc.  If you hear synthetic / "acousmatic sound", it may be anything. It's volume and power is defined by playback device. If you hear heavily manipulated and processed sound, you may hear huge metal junk crash, yet it sound artificial due simply usage of small objects and synthetic effect processors trying to imitate or create massive space.
With real concrete sounds, you will instantly connect it to something. When you hear car crash in Haters album, it is the pain of steel. You hear the screech of burning rubber, the collision, and the splinters of metal exploding to every direction. When you hear the dog barking and shotgun thundering in Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock, it's like instant shivers from the visions of hostile rabid dog and the power of shotgun impact. Human voice being very easy to mention. You know what loud shouting sounds like compared to talk. Merely hearing electronic sounds doesn't deliver necessary illusion of volume, but depending if narration is spoken or shouted, it may result the feeling that electronics are loud as fuck, since you barely hear the shouted voice. Or that they must be quiet, since someone is able to whisper over the sound...
I don't know can you call it "scientific", but I'm 100% sure, that some of these artists are aware of things such as mentioned above, and they consciously choose something like that. They want to employ the sound that delivers distress and confusion .. or in other hand, the utmost joy like the fire crackles to pyromaniac listener. They may combined voice of child crying to dog barking and it delivers instantly more disturbing and uneasy listening than brutal wall of Big Muff crackles.  They may use the sounds physically created, in ways that you will feel the magnitude of musical elements. Not the equipment. Not the processing, but the physical core of sound. Like difference of sledgehammer hitting the steel structure of huge boat. And not the couple screws rattling inside contact mic'ed tuna can, routed via reverb...

To me, one could call it scientific, since in the end, it's about the tests how you (as creator of sound also!) react on the sound. But at the same time it's to be understood it's pure pseudo science. It's perhaps more to connect with spirituality. Physical matter transforming into spirit.

I don't personally care much, when it transforms from pseudo- to utterly pretentious. I don't like the pasted on rituals. I don't like excuses applied to material to justify utter boredom & lacking vision. But those are sometimes subjective issues.
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 13, 2011, 01:22:55 PM
Lets start with my favorite thing nowadays on boards, getting first to root of meaning of the word:
QuoteScience (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. An older meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained.

I don't personally care much, when it transforms from pseudo- to utterly pretentious. I don't like the pasted on rituals. I don't like excuses applied to material to justify utter boredom & lacking vision. But those are sometimes subjective issues.

I think that about sums it up for me. And to be honest even some of the psuedo scientific starts to grate on my nerves.

Alex

Of course it has a lot to do with what you bring to a listening session yourself. For example "I fall apart every time I hear the sound of breaking glass" (from the back of The Haters - In the Shade of Fire cd) is a kind of empiricism I guess.
Funny, I was thinking about what trance-inducing music is, when the Sleep Chamber track Leviatan came on, in which there's a repeated sample of a voice saying something about music inducing trances.