NOISE RELATED RANDOM TALK TOPIC

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, August 05, 2024, 09:53:12 AM

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Quote from: Phenol on November 27, 2025, 10:49:15 AMWell, wasn't it always part of industrial tactics to put on masks - literally but also in terms of dealing with sensitive or provocative topics through embracing them - did anyone ever believe Whitehouse to be rapists, child molesters etc.? I never thought the AIW guy was African and also never thought it relevant. I think Xiu Xiu is lazily going for low hanging fruits here and that the discussion is grossly simplified because of it. Why is it so hard for people to deal with ambiguity these days?

You need to make a distinction here. Sure, creeping under the skin of serial killers, sexual predators, cult leaders, dictators and the like, to understand how they are wired, has been a current within the industrial scene since day one. But subscribing to a colonial mindset is altogether a different thing, that has been uncool for 50+ years. For me, that is what AIW is up to... exploiting the peoples of the African continent for his own benefit. Is there a hidden agenda behind all this faux ethno shtick? Is he perhaps examining the atrocities committed by the French colonial powers? I for one doubt it. Now I know I'll get a bunch of flak from all the tough guys here, but so be it.

FreakAnimalFinland

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I would think industrial music indeed is the place where uncool things are welcomed to be examined. I don't have enough interest in AIW to go through his discography to see if he would somehow glorify it. Simply present the moments from history, that have direct link to nation you are from.
Perhaps one day in underground art, people step above the pavlovs dog approach even with subject of colonialism and see there is quite interesting substance there that is way beyond "exploiting peoples of the african continent" and that it is "morally wrong". I don't think this is matter of tough guys vs others, since the behavior one usually lumps to be quality of tough guys, tends to come from the sensitive guys right?

It is interesting question I have been pondering. What was the year when toughness (i.e. strong enough to withstand adverse conditions or rough or careless handling) was no longer that, but became synonymous for sensitive. Even in this little scene of ours, you often see the self proclaimed tough men being first to be drama queens or react on any smallest thing. Not having resilience to survive little critic or even joke. This is present in hardcore, Black Metal even skinhead movement, where toughness often appears to be applied to guy who cries the most and the quickliest. hah.. It would perhaps bring positive results if ironic use of tough would be just replaced by word sensitive.  I would hope for return of tough, in sense of ability to not break instantly into automated hysteria.

That said,
I did became almost break into hysteria noticing that MURDER CORPORATION CD that Old Europa Cafe just put out, is not yet another reissue, but NEW stuff from 2025! As soon as it was out of the shipping box, I rushed copy into CD player and gave it a spin. 2025 Murder Corporation is not the muddy lo-fi bloodshed of 1995. I would say half of the tracks have some of the contemporary issues, where too clean samples and synth gadgets or such are not ideal, but about half of album is good painful stuff. I think Murder Corporation never was about creating flawless ear candy. Its just different now than in some of his classics, but several ripping good tracks here.


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Bigsby

^fantastic self-reflection! 👏🏻

impulse manslaughter

My experience; those who are trying to be the toughest are usually insecure posers. The hardest skinheads I know just keep to themselves and do not have to prove themselves.

Atrophist

Be resilient, not hard. Hard is brittle and inflexible, and breaks easily.