Women In Noise? Women Here??

Started by Minus1, June 25, 2025, 03:41:10 AM

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NedOik

Quote from: Wainhouse on February 02, 2026, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: NedOik on February 02, 2026, 09:14:51 AMMayuko Hino C.C.C.C. was not mentioned. Awesome.

She is mentioned on the first page of the discussion thread.

Doesn't she have an interview in Bananafish? Was that a C.C.C.C. interview, or just her? I would love to read what she has to say. I've never owned a Bananafish. I've only read THAT Macronympha interview "Mean Sheets" from Bananafish #10... Hino is discussed therein... OK! I'm going to reread it again; it never gets old...

There is an interview segment with C.C.C.C. on the Live At Club Lower Links VHS (reissued on DVD by Tribe Tapes):

https://tribetapes.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-club-lower-links

Do any of her text interviews exist online?

I didn't read back that far hehe silly me. There is a short interview clip of her here - subtitled in English : art demolition 4 - c.c.c.c. . If anyone has anything in English raise your hand.
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post-morten

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 02, 2026, 11:38:02 AMFrom perspective of noise, there are some major figures who made scene of specific moment to be what it is. Lets say Gaya of Antichildleague is not only noisician, but major gig promoter of industrial-noise. She is to thank for A LOT of most significant 00's power electronics and noise things. Or Ina of Tower Transmissions, who may not be so visible for people who do not know about festival, but indeed right there on top of entire operation. Something like Artware label is obviously long gone, but just couple of weeks ago, Ulex Xane credited Donna Klemm to be the person who was the first to really buy and import Streicher tapes. Lifting the project from obscure, almost private tape trading network into being treated like releases of real label: getting distributed by dealers. These just couple obvious examples of people who really have changed noise history in very different magnitude compared to dude who just put out couple audio releases.

In this context of females playing pivotal roles behind the scenes, so to say, I want to pay tribute to Katarina Johansson. Seasoned Swedes know who she is, but probably unknown elsewhere. Katarina was very early in the Swedish industrial scene, ran the Spanking Housewives distro and contributed to the mid-80s zine Res Publika. She travelled over Europe, hung out at Club Moral, visited Gary Mundy when he still lived at his parents' house, interviewed Douglas Pearce in a London cemetary. She DJ'ed at events, did graphic design for flyers and record covers, contributed so much in different areas. In the early 2000's we did a series of events, Club Rehab, with all the big local names (IRM, Institut, Survival Unit, Ochu, Treriksröset, etc) spiced up with international acts like MK9 and Dieter Müh. Her role can not be overstated. Sadly she's not with us anymore and she is missed by many.

Hyena

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Quote from: Minus1 on January 31, 2026, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: Hyena on January 31, 2026, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: Manhog_84 on June 29, 2025, 11:06:37 PMThat kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.

I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.

I'd love to hear more about this!

My kneejerk reaction is "Wtf? But Vomir relaxes me and cleanses my brain." (Maybe that is not the same as "therapeutic"!?)

What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?

(I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative.)

NP. I just find that, for me, really rough spots... if one is familiar with really difficult circumstances, it's not gonna do much. That's why I have a difficult time with all these DSBM- and similar acts who have all these things going for them and all these people around them, the support systems, the fans, the labels, and yet they claim misanthropy.

My take on it is that misanthropy is forced upon you and if you actually live it, trust me, you'd do anything to not have to live it. So for music alone to solve anything... I dunno, maybe I'm not making sense. Doesn't matter.

I may be slightly OT. Long day.

Minus1

Quote from: Hyena on February 14, 2026, 12:13:15 AM
Quote from: Minus1 on January 31, 2026, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: Hyena on January 31, 2026, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: Manhog_84 on June 29, 2025, 11:06:37 PMThat kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.

I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.

I'd love to hear more about this!

My kneejerk reaction is "Wtf? But Vomir relaxes me and cleanses my brain." (Maybe that is not the same as "therapeutic"!?)

What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?

(I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative.)

NP. I just find that, for me, really rough spots... if one is familiar with really difficult circumstances, it's not gonna do much. That's why I have a difficult time with all these DSBM- and similar acts who have all these things going for them and all these people around them, the support systems, the fans, the labels, and yet they claim misanthropy.

My take on it is that misanthropy is forced upon you and if you actually live it, trust me, you'd do anything to not have to live it. So for music alone to solve anything... I dunno, maybe I'm not making sense. Doesn't matter.

I may be slightly OT. Long day.

It's all good. Makes some sense. Thanks.

Some might respond "but lyrics should not be seen as autobiographical". "The singer is simply role playing." Etc.

Thermophile

Lack of females in "difficult" music scenes is very noticeable, both as artists and as audience. I think part of it is innate preferences and differences between the two sexes. Despite equal opportunities, choosing different things. For example women have very little interest in some film genres such as War, Action, Western, Science Fiction films. Films that feature lots of male violence, it simply doesn't interest them but men seem to like those. Similar to styles of music that contain lots of abstraction, noise included or disciplines that contain abstraction such as Mathematics and Philosophy leave them indifferent for the most part.

Part of it is cultural, the culture that rose from the ashes of the destructive two world wars, they blame masculinity for the violence and destruction in the world. Male interests and displays of overt masculinity are seen as problematic and not socially acceptable. Men though, still needed an outlet for the supressed masculinity hence you have thriving male dominated subcultures such as noise/PE and metal. In metal as well, there aren't many females, is mostly an outlet for men to feel like glorious warriors of the past.

Balor/SS1535

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Quote from: Thermophile on February 14, 2026, 05:45:12 PMLack of females in "difficult" music scenes is very noticeable, both as artists and as audience. I think part of it is innate preferences and differences between the two sexes. Despite equal opportunities, choosing different things. For example women have very little interest in some film genres such as War, Action, Western, Science Fiction films. Films that feature lots of male violence, it simply doesn't interest them but men seem to like those. Similar to styles of music that contain lots of abstraction, noise included or disciplines that contain abstraction such as Mathematics and Philosophy leave them indifferent for the most part.

Part of it is cultural, the culture that rose from the ashes of the destructive two world wars, they blame masculinity for the violence and destruction in the world. Male interests and displays of overt masculinity are seen as problematic and not socially acceptable. Men though, still needed an outlet for the supressed masculinity hence you have thriving male dominated subcultures such as noise/PE and metal. In metal as well, there aren't many females, is mostly an outlet for men to feel like glorious warriors of the past.

While there could very well be truth to some parts of your analysis, I think the glaring omission is that perhaps many women also do not particularly like the omnipresence of thematic sexual violence in noise?  I think this philosophizing might abstract away from the more everyday aversions.

Theodore

RE: Misanthropy: i have lived half of my life, hopefully. I have been through various phases, thoughts, emotions ... What i believe now is that people dont deserve your hate, neither your love, respect or appreciation, untill they earn them.

Your Misanthropy is giving value to those that have done nothing to deserve it, yet.

Indifference. Is the starting point.
"ἀθάνατοι θνητοί, θνητοὶ ἀθάνατοι, ζῶντες τὸν ἐκείνων θάνατον, τὸν δὲ ἐκείνων βίον τεθνεῶτες"


Thermophile

Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on February 14, 2026, 06:46:32 PMWhile there could very well be truth to some parts of your analysis, I think the glaring omission is that perhaps many women also do not particularly like the omnipresence of thematic sexual violence in noise?  I think this philosophizing might abstract away from the more everyday aversions.

That is part of men asserting their own viewpoint on sexual themes outside of what is considered socially acceptable in the mainstream so it doesn't contradict my point. I can't relate either to female pop stars or even female noise artists when they sing about these issues.

NedOik

Quote from: Thermophile on February 15, 2026, 01:18:16 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on February 14, 2026, 06:46:32 PMWhile there could very well be truth to some parts of your analysis, I think the glaring omission is that perhaps many women also do not particularly like the omnipresence of thematic sexual violence in noise?  I think this philosophizing might abstract away from the more everyday aversions.

That is part of men asserting their own viewpoint on sexual themes outside of what is considered socially acceptable in the mainstream so it doesn't contradict my point. I can't relate either to female pop stars or even female noise artists when they sing about these issues.

agree in a way on this point - it's the form not the content, as i read somewhere that women are - by far - the primary "consumers" of true crime content (films, tv , podcasts, books etc).
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"Its not punk, it's pure junk."

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MkB

Quote from: cr on June 27, 2025, 09:20:23 PMSome other:

Nika (aka Zola Jesus)






Zola Jesus a noise artist? For quite a while she's been down the dark/alt pop road, but even her early releases aren't what you could call noise.
She does still drop the occasional noise track into her "Dj" sets though.


MkB

Quote from: cr on February 21, 2026, 09:13:35 PMNika – Olga's Revenge

https://www.discogs.com/release/18180262-Nika-Olgas-Revenge



I apologise. I didn't know of this release.
I should also know better because a few NIKA tracks were shared on her patreon a few years ago and I guess they could be described as being noise(y).

Thanks for the link.

EXU

I'm glad we finally came to the conclusion that maybe women are not thrilled with all the rape, objectification and overall goon culture so they are not exactly keen to hang around, one less mystery of noise. :)

Minus1

Quote from: EXU on February 22, 2026, 07:12:44 AMI'm glad we finally came to the conclusion that maybe women are not thrilled with all the rape, objectification and overall goon culture so they are not exactly keen to hang around, one less mystery of noise. :)

Hmmm. Is that our conclusion?

Unrelated:

I just had a random thought for a new thread:

Black People In Noise? Black People Here??