Women In Noise? Women Here??

[Minus1]

Good point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ? - I am not part of any scene, no experience, but i guess women may be more interested in the socializing aspect ? Is there a woman out there just a loner who listens and enjoys ALONE without their friends be interested in noise as well ? - And if they are about socializing why none of them ever posts anything in forums ? Is it all about artistic creation, gigs, hanging out, have fun ?

I don't know what happened in the last few pages of this thread but I just wanted to reply to this specifically.

Woman here. I "enjoy" listening to noise and PE while making art or anything that requires hours of creative focus. I wouldn't consider a noise show exactly a pinnacle of socializing and fun, but I guess that could also be subjective depending on who you ask!

OMFG!!! A WOMAN!!!

(Irony.)

Yeah. Waaaay too many assumptions in this thread, including my own admittedly cringeworthy OP. ("OMG the ladies will be so offended.")

Kick my ass. Kick it hard.

[msdo]

Female here.

Been doing noise (mostly live)since 94, both in groups and solo. i have sporadically put out tapes, but have put out stuff fairly consistently since 2010.

i took long breaks due to playing in grindcore/black metal/death metal bands between 1994 and 2010.

my label MSDO has a lot of women artists. Farrah Faucet, Winter Rose, Side Wound, Chana Levannah, LURED, DTH DRV, NoAthlete, etc.

i'm a huge fan of Alessandra Zerbatini, Prayer Rope, Moonbeam Terror,AntiChildLeague,and Torschlusspanik amongst others.

  i would say my label would be mostly known here due to the releases i have done for Black Leather Jesus and Caligula 031. expect records from Wertham/Psywarfare and The Rita by the end of the year.

[Paradoxo]

Good point, i wonder too. Maybe collecting is a male habit ?

I know several women who collect things (magazines, dolls, porcelain pieces, fashion items, etc etc.), and let's not forget that collecting music is becoming less common nowadays for both men and women. Since extreme genres are still predominantly male-dominated, most sales will naturally go to men.

On the other hand, I assume attendance numbers at shows are likely to be much more balanced.

[cr]

@msdo:
Don't know much about your label and will make some research, but I really do like the Cheyne Stoecks – An Index Of Intersex Conditions tape on HgM!

[cr]

SCRUBBER from Australia

[post-morten]

Not noise/pe by any stretch but Johanna, the female half of Institut, did some pounding, rhythmic industrial back in the mid-noughties under the name Koeff. Really good stuff with a Maria Zerfall vibe. It was cool how she turned gender stereotypes on their head by using mic'ed up household appliances, washing machines etc in this traditionally so male dominated domain. I think pretty much all her recorded output along with some live clips are available on the Tube.

[Hyena]

That kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.

I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.

[Minus1]

That kind of notion reminds me of one woman I knew. Extreme art went seemingly over her head, and the only way she could comprehend why anyone would e.g. listen to power electronics, was that it has to be some sort of therapy. Men who need to process their depression, trauma or whatever.

I inherently mistrust any one who considers either the creation or the consumption of art to be therapeutic.

I'd love to hear more about this!

My kneejerk reaction is "Wtf? But Vomir relaxes me and cleanses my brain." (Maybe that is not the same as "therapeutic"!?)

What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?

(I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative.)

[anusenvy]

Has anyone mentioned Gyna Bootleg yet? I actually really don't have to say anything on this project.... I was more familiar with a band of hers in first decade of 2000.

As hetero, I've found myself aroused at most noise shows. Take that as you will.

[Minus1]

Has anyone mentioned Gyna Bootleg yet? I actually really don't have to say anything on this project.... I was more familiar with a band of hers in first decade of 2000.

As hetero, I've found myself aroused at most noise shows. Take that as you will.

I have been far from perfect in this thread. I made some dumb assumptions. (See the OP.) I never want to be that guy on the high horse.

But for me, your post is a perfect example of "objectification" over "artistry".

Yeah - I'm hetero too - attractive women are a thing!

But what is this thread about?

(Sheesh. I'm having some difficulties on Noise forums this week.)

[groesk]

What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?

for me, extreme music and noise has been therapeutic, and especially making it. i read an scientific (i think) article on someone with a TBI who loves extreme music, (so me, for the most part) mainly hardcore punk. i got a ton of "baggage" as therapists call it. I can turn my brain off and just vibe. my brain has devolved to loving the grooviest, most rhythmic stuff i can get my hands on. I turn to harsh noise when I want something more extreme and in your face than brutal death metal. also, the community is usually not half bad.

creating music really helps my mental health, which I try to focus on. there's something about honing your craft behind the scenes thats really appealing. what's not so appealing is the frustration of even playing my music live. then again, i live in a pretty isolated town.

But for me, your post is a perfect example of "objectification" over "artistry".

this sounds like the catalyst for a nasty internet fight. i'm not gonna put my hat in the ring on this one. also sorry of my post sounds disjointed.

[Minus1]

Yeah - I'm bracing myself. But I'll be cool. I'm sipping my whiskey, and doing The Von Einem Tapes. 😂

But I think my comments, in a roundabout way, get to a major facet here, regarding Women In Noise, in what is (I think, inarguably) a male dominated environment.

Do certain preconceptions and norms need to shift, for Noise to join Rock as an equal-sex Artform? I think so. This thread contains some problematic statements (including some by me)!

[Minus1]

What does creation/consumption of Art do for you?

for me, extreme music and noise has been therapeutic, and especially making it. i read an scientific (i think) article on someone with a TBI who loves extreme music, (so me, for the most part) mainly hardcore punk. i got a ton of "baggage" as therapists call it. I can turn my brain off and just vibe. my brain has devolved to loving the grooviest, most rhythmic stuff i can get my hands on. I turn to harsh noise when I want something more extreme and in your face than brutal death metal. also, the community is usually not half bad.

creating music really helps my mental health, which I try to focus on. there's something about honing your craft behind the scenes thats really appealing. what's not so appealing is the frustration of even playing my music live. then again, i live in a pretty isolated town.

And thank you for this.

Maybe the word "therapeutic" conjures up images of New Age music and herbal teas, or other such things that are anathema to Noise. 😂

I mean...what other words can we use for the enjoyment of Noise, if not "therapeutic"?

(Edit: Fuck! Anathema. Is there a band / artist called that? I'm still looking for my name!)

[groesk]

a male dominated environment.

honestly for someone who listens to male dominated music i love it when women break the mold. i've heard BDM be described as "made by men for men", and with all of the edgy misogynistic themes i can see the stigma. that being said i only wish Stabbing the best, even if they don't wow me.

but for noise, there's not much stigma other than weird nerds that tend to be male that make it for each other. while Sukeban seems to be an independent female artist, i listen to the music and i think it's actually Matt Stephens in disguise. he has distinct hallmarks that echo in his many projects.