Loneliness in noise?

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, January 25, 2026, 10:11:02 PM

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FreakAnimalFinland

I was listening to one podcast where professor of some sort of social-&health politics was discussing mainly about struggles of the lower economic classes. He did touch the topic of social isolation and loneliness, which made me think not about lower class generic population, but about how it manifests itself in noise.

I recall several episodes in noise podcasts, where notion of social isolation has come up. People growing in small cities or farms and so on. You got people who grew up in the rural areas. This doesn't mean automatically there would be loneliness per se, but it can mean things such as mere logistics of creativity, may drive one to experimental sound, when there may not be people to play music with. It is possible some are driven into creativity out of nothing else really than... having something to do. It would be possible they are alone, but not possibly lonely. It is also possible that they are indeed very lonely, very alienated, and some sort of morbid sound is almost... natural reaction?

This has been present in old times Black Metal. Many of the best bands or project were born in small cities, often "one man metal" or couple guys. Not born out of rock capitals of the nations. Punk, it has maybe some of it, but already more a lot more there is big city & social scene element there.

I don't think I am ever really lonely, as I like to do a lot of this alone. Plus to get to hang out or go to places with people or do something collectively is always something that can be done pretty easy when one feels like it. However, I do feel there is a strong effect of that this was not really a choice, but originally being in conditions where not much was happening in small town. Everything interesting happening sort of "elsewhere". Perhaps around the world. To have anything, or be involved in anything, demanded active attitude and efforts in communication. Therefore, conditions favor to being somewhat socially active (contacting people, writing letters, going to shows, etc) as there was nothing happening via passivity. Unlike now, when you could somewhat passively get just enough to... entertain yourself during days?

It makes me curious to think how much may have some sort of isolation, rural life, loneliness etc effect into noise creation or interest. Let's mention guys like GX of Haters just recently mentioning in WCN how he basically lives early life without any contact to other kids. You got The Rita, BDN, Marhaug, and many notable names who I recall talking about life in pretty isolated countryside. I always lived in city, born in relatively big family and always other people around, including always at least handful of locals into same sort of UG stuff I was into..

I could imagine there is plenty of things that could fuel to creativity, but I also realize there are plenty of people who do not get anything done alone. They need group dynamic. They need band mates, they need.. whatever input, people asking to join band, asking to play gig, asking to record something for release etc. People to actively.. hmm.. socialize with, or nothing happens. Doing recording in some sort of "vacuum" just makes it all pointless for some.

Any thoughts on matter? Will you create fueled by loneliness or too much time in your hands.. or possibly need the push from people around?
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Minus1

#1
Hmmm. Interesting topic.

I proudly describe myself as a 64 year old, happy, retired, divorced, single, loner, introvert, swimmer, walker, reader, film-loving Noisehead.

I know exactly ZERO people in real life who would tolerate me blasting Vomir.

So for me, Noise is a lonely hobby - a solitary pursuit - except...these forums!! 😂

I'd still enjoy my Noise sessions without these forums, but this place informs and expands it so much.

Now...did I arrive at Noise (around the age of 40) because of this state of being? I was much more sociable pre-Noise. Perhaps I decided that most people suck then turned to Noise? 😂 Nah! I dunno.

(The Ex loves Coldplay.) 🤷🏼�♂️
Give Me CDs Or Give Me Death.

Cranial Blast

#2
Interesting topic indeed! For me noise kind of shares a bit of that same isolation factor and solitary interest that one might also get from black metal as well. I live in what was once a small town, that's now developed into fast growing and sprawling suburb, which is home to mostly new families and old people in their 80s, who have lived here forever. I think the lack of any type of "community" for any interesting anything is few and far between in a major way. Very seldom do I meet people who are into anything remotely interesting as far music or creating music goes and not that I'm out looking to be a part of social community to find it either. I think the lack of this at least for my say is when I'll create noise it's given me kind of a blank canvas of ideas as to creating, not having anyone else around to give pointers or influence in a communal sense. I feel very isolated within the town I live in. I don't really have a desire to connect with it as I naturally feel alienated by it to where I don't feel the need to approach it or engage with it on any level, which in turn can make the process maybe even more isolating, which can maybe be a good thing to..? I dunno. I've lived in different large cities before as well, so I've had an interesting contrast from living in different types of places, but no place has ever felt like home anyways, so maybe that leads to some sort of choice for self isolation or withdrawal from even searching anymore to find like minded individuals. I'd say most of my social interactions regarding noise and music with anyone who's also interested in such topics are always on this forum, very seldom do I have an actual in the flesh conversation with a person about music or music creation out in the world. Also, would like to mention Minnesota, where I reside is the most miserable place on the planet! From most of it's human inhabitants, down to the crippling cold weather, which will lead to even more isolation, whether you want that isolation or not, Ha! My mom told me once that when my great grandpa came to Minnesota from Finland that he absolutely hated it here and drank all of the time. I very much share that same exact sentiment. Anyone who lives here might share the sentiment as well or anywhere ice cold for that matter, the cold brings out the isolation and misanthrope, which in turn can help some of us find our path to interest in such music genres perhaps! Haha

Balor/SS1535

As a roundabout way into this topic, I can say that some of the times that I feel the least lonely are when I am engaging with noise people at shows (and, to a lesser extent, through forums like this---though the lack of "face to face" really limits things with that).  (For context, I deal with loneliness very frequently.)

I think I have a lot more to say on this topic, but I need some time to collect my thoughts.

Minus1

#4
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on Today at 03:51:34 AMAs a roundabout way into this topic, I can say that some of the times that I feel the least lonely are when I am engaging with noise people at shows (and, to a lesser extent, through forums like this---though the lack of "face to face" really limits things with that).  (For context, I deal with loneliness very frequently.)

I think I have a lot more to say on this topic, but I need some time to collect my thoughts.

May I ask out loud, as you gather thoughts, if loneliness for you is "bad"?

I knew, even as a kid, that being alone was my preferred state. Oh sure - over the decades I did all the weddings, parties, everything. But most of that time I thought "I sure would like to be alone". And now, as an old guy, I embrace that.

And right now I'm doing Deathpile - G.R. loud, for the second time in a row, and who the fuck would be ok with that in the "normal world"? 😂

I dunno. Being alone / solo / single is often frowned upon in this world. But I think a great percentage of us are happiest this way.

How does this connect with Noise? I'm not really sure. But I can blast "strange music" whenever the fuck I want without pushback / guilt. 😂

Edit: I got carried away here. Sorry. Not the original post intent. I'll (thankfully!) stfu now, and lurk.
Give Me CDs Or Give Me Death.

Cranial Blast

#5
Quote from: Minus1 on Today at 04:30:54 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on Today at 03:51:34 AMAs a roundabout way into this topic, I can say that some of the times that I feel the least lonely are when I am engaging with noise people at shows (and, to a lesser extent, through forums like this---though the lack of "face to face" really limits things with that).  (For context, I deal with loneliness very frequently.)

I think I have a lot more to say on this topic, but I need some time to collect my thoughts.

May I ask out loud, as you gather thoughts, if loneliness for you is "bad"?

I knew, even as a kid, that being alone was my preferred state. Oh sure - over the decades I did all the weddings, parties, everything. But most of that time I thought "I sure would like to be alone". And now, as an old guy, I embrace that.

And right now I'm doing Deathpile - G.R. loud, for the second time in a row, and who the fuck would be ok with that in the "normal world"? 😂

I dunno. Being alone / solo / single is often frowned upon in this world. But I think a great percentage of us are happiest this way.

How does this connect with Noise? I'm not really sure. But I can blast "strange music" whenever the fuck I want without pushback / guilt. 😂

Your perspective is enlightening, hopeful and reassuring in some sense. After failed relationship, other disappointments and ect. It's nice to hear you've found a sense of calming or clarity with time within your own personal space to where you can find a sense of peace so to say. I'm finding that with time, that it's becoming more "doomed" and a punishment to seek a higher meaning or purpose the further one wants to investigate any form of "truth".  I don't feel any sense or calm, but rather one of a sense of quiet preparation for this enviable sense of foreboding doom. I agree in the sense that there is a sense of freedom in being alone, but with that solitary comes this weird ominous sense of guilt that makes one feel as if they can never relax. It would feel as if I was putting on the blinders to say the world we are headed in would be a place of mundane repetition of the last 2 decades, but it feels more urgent and ending at the moment. It's almost like we've reached a pinnacle of what once was will no longer be the same from here after. 2026 going forward feels like something else to me personally. I wouldn't feel so passionate about the topic of isolation if I didn't feel so personally touched by it. Things about life feel off and altered since we entered the 00 era going forward and I don't think many would disagree that it feels like time is being sped up towards oblivion like never before. Hopeless optimism be the flag we raise in opposition towards the endless void of all realities!

Balor/SS1535

Quote from: Minus1 on Today at 04:30:54 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on Today at 03:51:34 AMAs a roundabout way into this topic, I can say that some of the times that I feel the least lonely are when I am engaging with noise people at shows (and, to a lesser extent, through forums like this---though the lack of "face to face" really limits things with that).  (For context, I deal with loneliness very frequently.)

I think I have a lot more to say on this topic, but I need some time to collect my thoughts.

May I ask out loud, as you gather thoughts, if loneliness for you is "bad"?

I knew, even as a kid, that being alone was my preferred state. Oh sure - over the decades I did all the weddings, parties, everything. But most of that time I thought "I sure would like to be alone". And now, as an old guy, I embrace that.

And right now I'm doing Deathpile - G.R. loud, for the second time in a row, and who the fuck would be ok with that in the "normal world"? 😂

I dunno. Being alone / solo / single is often frowned upon in this world. But I think a great percentage of us are happiest this way.

How does this connect with Noise? I'm not really sure. But I can blast "strange music" whenever the fuck I want without pushback / guilt. 😂

Edit: I got carried away here. Sorry. Not the original post intent. I'll (thankfully!) stfu now, and lurk.

ha  Without getting too personal, I'll say that it's a struggle!  So, yes, I would say that it's a bad thing overall.  On the positive side, however, not being close to many people has also allowed me to be shielded from being too normal.  Because of this, even just listening to noise and other weird stuff is a sort of lifeline.

Returning this more to noise, it makes me think of Merzbow---where, in many of the early discussions, noise is associated with the erotic as a sort of chaotic connective force!

Balor/SS1535

Maybe an initial thought in another direction is this: Many people experience noise in everyday situations as an intrusion on their isolation (which is generally associated with silence).  Noise is an imposition, something unwanted, or an interruption.  So I think there might be some sort of "otherness" that is present in the experience of noise, at least in its day-to-day sense (i.e. something that penetrates through loneliness, in some way?).

prolapsedlielack

I can definitely say that noise/PE/DI has become a "coping mechanism" for me. Artists like Disgusting Sanctum/Agonal Lust, Atrax Morgue or Navicon Torture Technologies have helped quell some of the heavier negative moments in life. Plus the friends I've made through it/because of it and the current relationship I'm in being based on our mutual interest in it have been a great motivator for a curmudgeon like me.


Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on Today at 03:51:34 AMI can say that some of the times that I feel the least lonely are when I am engaging with noise people at shows

Bingo to this, meeting you in person (on accident!) is still a hilarious moment for me.

Vrenndel

When it comes to underground stuff, or let's rather call it out-of-the-norm kind of interests and activities, in this case - as far as it is possible to define a "norm", I think loneliness and solitude - are they really the same thing ? - shouldn't necessarly be seen as negative things. Personally, as a kid, I had the chance of enjoying reading way more than hanging out with kids of my age that would rather be interested in other stuff which I do now also consider perfectly normal, even though back then I could have been seen as the strange one, always stuck in books or mentally lost in a fantasy world which seemed way more attractive than the real outside world. Also, growing up in the countryside limited social interactions outside of school for a long time, and finding/meeting people with the same kind of interests as mine wasn't that easy, but I do not regret all of these experiences.

I do agree about the fact that as a teen, for example, it feels good to meet with other people with the kind of interests and get some kind of input, or confirmation, but you're not sure about what you wanna do. I had the chance of meeting some of my best friends this way, and they unconsciously led me on what I think was the right path for me. After it, life has done whatever it has done.

Good experiences push you to seek other good experiences, and bad experiences push you to isolate yourself. Failed relationships, broken friendships, reality perception vs reality confrontation, and so on, all of these things can also lead to make the choice of solitude, even though I wouldn't necessarly describe myself as solitary person - I get along with people very fine, I like meeting like-minded or curious individuals, people open to discussing particular things, but I do also appreciate time alone, isolated from everyone, for the sake of mental health. So, I guess that solitude is a choice, but loneliness isn't.

A lot of people interested or being active in Noise music probably do feel lonely because it's not something everyone appreciates - musically talking - and when it comes to themes, ahah, you either meet someone as autistic as you are and share some nerd knowledge, or you get those estranged/confused facial expressions which in some cases honestly made question my mental health. Who's right and who's wrong ? Who can truly tell? I guess it matters only if you give some importance to it. When I was a kid I wouldn't have liked being called a weirdo, but as teenager I slowly and carefully turned it into something else - some kind of armour, let's say. I don't know if that was the right thing, but always better than feeling openly offended or morally and mentally brought down by someone "cooler".

As an adult, I definitely stopped caring and openly embraced this "weirdness". Does it make me feel lonely, sometimes ? Yes, it does. People tend to seek other people's confirmation and approval in some cases, and it's perfectly normal. The sight of others can shape the way we perceive ourselves, in a good way as well as in a negative way. It sure demands some efforts, or some distance (?) - i don't know if that's the right word choice in this case - but well, to everyone's its own, I guess.

To be honest, i think it's totally legit to be socially attracted to groups of people with the same kind of interests, otherwise, maybe even this kind of discussion would take place. But is it truly about input, in that case, or it's more of a purely intellectual interest? I sometimes don't have anything interesting to say about noise in general, but it sure can be refreshing to listen to others talking about particular matters, or, in this case, reading a lot of comments in similar threads.