Bands/projects using bands to make noise.

[Antihumanism]

I was thinking again about this lately after seeing hmm 2 years or probably less (?)that episode on wcn with Dead body love saying he used old grind (napalm death i think it was?) it actually disgusted me a bit wich let me to leave a bit noise on the side of me. (Concerning this I'll write in "quiting noise" thread if I can find it)

Hmm just to make it as topic as I am not on internet all day to browse all, even on here but it is the most i read onto hah, I was wondering how you people on here feel about it?
Not talking about releases such as Emil Beaulieau abusing the little ones or such of course. I mean releases, and I can't remember what release it was from DBL he talked about, where it is not written anywhere. Sound sources with agreement is a whole other story wich is absolutely great!
Neither do I mean like something like using for example girl screaming from gonzo porn dvd using and destroy with pedals.

[Balor/SS1535]

I'm assuming that you do not mean, with this topic, projects like AMK that use recordings of traditional music in noise-collages?

I'm not sure exactly why Dead Body Love using grind albums as a sound source would be "disgusting" rather than just another interesting technique either.

Personally, I have no problem with this approach and, honestly, I think more people should give it a try!

[k.p.g]

I think there's a pretty decent amount of projects that use bands or more "composed" music as a part of their sound.  Whether it's the plunderphonic stylings of John Oswald, The Rita utilizing old Blasphemy tapes for noise wall, or just artists today like Max Julian Eastman slowing down some old lounge muzak on his Satatuhatta release; this is a practice that has existed long before and long after Dead Body Love utilizing grindcore in his material.

[Antihumanism]

Hmm ok.

I should have said disappointed rather then disgusted.

Of course amk or evil moisture are something else, and good! I just finished listening Killer nuts mcd of evil moisture wich i received today, crazy as expected.

[k.p.g]

I just finished listening Killer nuts mcd of evil moisture wich i received today, crazy as expected.

One of his absolute best!

[Stipsi]

Is it true that the cherry point used spice girls tapes (or Britney spears) as sound source?
I don't remember where or when i heard this, but now I'm curious

[Balor/SS1535]

Is it true that the cherry point used spice girls tapes (or Britney spears) as sound source?
I don't remember where or when i heard this, but now I'm curious

I desperately hope that this is true!  It feels very fitting.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I remember same sort of .. slight disappointment back in the day, when music bits were within noise. Reason was, that noise was something almost mythical, kind of escaping the musical references. Then suddenly you hear Merzbow having death metal bits in his music, and it might have been really cool for people never really exposed to it, but as guy who listened death metal before got into noise, it seemed cheap and trivial thing to do.
I remember writing critical review about Streicher using RAC song bit. Buying annoyed that sloppy rock appears in middle of power electronics release.

Nowadays I am not "purist" in that sense, I many times there can be even thematic reason. Like Bizarre Uproar sampling old finnish hardcore or XE referring/sampling to rac songs.

Homage or reference or tribute gesture may seem somehow odd, when it is directed to something obvious and something too close. Like, I won't mind Bizarre Uproar sampling Terveet Kädet, but if some new noise band would sample their teenage years hero, that would be like Lorna Shore or something, I'd most definitely think it would... suck ass.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

One thing might be also that when someone uses sounds that are exotic for them, familiar to you. I can imagine year 1992 and sampling obscure USA death metal is like new thing to guys who come from improv, jazz type of thing..  Or in other hand, you got someone putting like jazz clips or chamber music bits into noise and for them it might be just something vague to create atmosphere and listener may be like why this guy has Miles Davis or Arvo Pärt going on here...

[Kaaoskultti]

Maybe utilizing lowbrow music as a source for Noise music sounds uninspired, specially due to the genre's ethereal and transcendental nature. Like that Sickness presentation in which a guy uses Death Metal growls to perform a song and it ends up being the most boring "metalhead-trying-to-make-noise-harsher-by-incorporating-extreme-metal-elements-into-music" act ever. That being said, WH's Halogen has to be one of the best songs ever, not least because of its incorporation of that eldritch unknown japanese music into layers of it.

[Balor/SS1535]

Maybe utilizing lowbrow music as a source for Noise music sounds uninspired, specially due to the genre's ethereal and transcendental nature. Like that Sickness presentation in which a guy uses Death Metal growls to perform a song and it ends up being the most boring "metalhead-trying-to-make-noise-harsher-by-incorporating-extreme-metal-elements-into-music" act ever. That being said, WH's Halogen has to be one of the best songs ever, not least because of its incorporation of that eldritch unknown japanese music into layers of it.

Is noise transcendental?  For me, noise always felt like a lowering of everything, like trash, waste, filth, formlessness, etc.

[Kaaoskultti]

Is noise transcendental?  For me, noise always felt like a lowering of everything, like trash, waste, filth, formlessness, etc.

Of course it is! It might sound counterintuitive, but by focusing on such aspects of reality whilst giving them a integrative form, Noise music manages to provide the listener a catharsis which, naturally, transcends the sheer, vulgar, day-to-day experience of such filth. From dirty noise like Taint or XE to the magnificent appeal of someone like Diamanda Galás, 'tis fair to say few artists have dwelt so low, and thus, rose so high.

[NedOik]

Maybe utilizing lowbrow music as a source for Noise music sounds uninspired, specially due to the genre's ethereal and transcendental nature. Like that Sickness presentation in which a guy uses Death Metal growls to perform a song and it ends up being the most boring "metalhead-trying-to-make-noise-harsher-by-incorporating-extreme-metal-elements-into-music" act ever. That being said, WH's Halogen has to be one of the best songs ever, not least because of its incorporation of that eldritch unknown japanese music into layers of it.

Is noise transcendental?  For me, noise always felt like a lowering of everything, like trash, waste, filth, formlessness, etc.

yes if you consider transcend meaning to climb across. horizontal not vertical. e.g. transcend a barrier, moral, limit. not a case of a lowering or raising (vertical).

[groesk]

Then suddenly you hear Merzbow having death metal bits in his music, and it might have been really cool for people never really exposed to it, but as guy who listened death metal before got into noise, it seemed cheap and trivial thing to do.

as someone who also got into harsh noise after liking death metal, i don't really get the whole "cheap and trivial" thing. the one example i know of this (i'm by no means a merzbow expert) is that 2-3 second death metal clip from Venerology. I find it as a cool little nod and then moving on. even then i'm sure he only did it because he knew he would be on a stage full of metalheads.

maybe you wanna elaborate more? maybe there's a release i'm missing, the dude has way too many to track of.

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