Obscurities of post-industrial / PE / postmortem tapes

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Was listening to THE MORALUNARY CLASS "Liber XXX" tape on Extreme. Very little information appear to be online. I assume 1985 release with 6 tracks of ritualistic industrial from Ulex Xane, who later made more name for himself with Streicher. It has similar low-tech ultra primitive methods, but also more. Occasionally tape sounds like some boom box recordings of simple percussion or early con-dom type lo-fi distorted "drone" with various rubbish thrown around. At some songs the oscillating delay   manipulations on vocals bring distant echoes of Ramleh, but Moralunary Class is much more mysterious and dark than violent and perverse.
I don't remember EVER reading anyone to mention the project, although I recall couple of the tapes should be in my shelves?

Split tape of Moralunary Class and INFORMATION SYSTEMS is a tape that seems to be listed on discogs. 88 release on Information Systems own label presents raw M.C. side, what can't match the Liber XXX, but still is pretty unique.
Information Systems is 3 member unit that is pretty well done heavy and dark loop based dark industrial sound.

I'm curious about the bands that you never hear anyone talk about, but which could be worth attention.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

some changes while checking out what tape I was actually listening to.. hah.. Well, One more M.C. tape seems to stick out of shelves. Another '85 Extreme release, looks like C-10 and I recall more of keyboard tones, yet have to give it listen in near future.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Moralunary Class "Passional attitudes" in deed c-10 or c-15 tape, with 2 tracks. Realized for sound project on theme Abnormality for Newsounds Gallery, CFRO Radio Canada, 1985. One side is dark industrial with lunatic screams and powerful atmosphere. Other side is more of soundcollage and tape manipulations reminding of atmosphere of asylum. Very good tape!

[Tenebracid]

what about David Gilden? texas noisician very related to MSNP, nobody talks about him nowadays and I have never been able to listen to any material but discovered and got interested after seeing he released a tape in one of my favourite labels, Slaughter productions. A tape titled "depress regress" which is actually one of the rarest and hardest to find from the SP catalog... His more well known tape must be the Texas Chainsaw Dopefiend on MSNP and I think he also collaborated in early black leather jesus and had a few short lived projects with different names.

also would like to mention Mlehst as someone's who's really drowned in obscurity nowadays when he should be praised along the classics.. such an unique approach to noise & (dark?) ambient using a lot of field recordings and creating an intense atmosphere thats both disturbing and emotive, i cant think of anyone who remotely sounds like him. any fans here?

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

what about David Gilden? any fans here?

I am big fan of his music. Lately I talked with Richard RAMIREZ about DG. Probably he had mental problems and over 10 years ago he finished with music.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I think Mlehst isn't that obscure anymore? Late 2000's came like 6 LP's, 6 parts of History of... CDR's on Self Abuse. Band is easily available. Of course it might not be rated among the best known classics, but far from "obscure"?

David Gilden in deed is good. Not long ago Lasse Marhaug was nice enough to transfer CDR copy of 1994 (?) tape on his label. Of course I had the original tape, but DAT transfer to CDR... nice. Not all the stuff is top notch, but still very good. And has kind of unique feel. I think I should put that Slaughter prod tape on player some day soon..

Was listening HEX MINORA "Ai" tape from 1995. UK female noise artists who ran also BV tapes. Sexy stuff, heavy duty electronic keyboard throbbing. Perhaps not too far from some older Sshe Retina Stimulants, MSBR at his most "industrial" phase or such. Very thick and strong sound. handful of tapes and I guess just one 7" and split CD on defunct MDP label. Other tape titled "Sabrina" came on same label, and sample can be heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkePO8dvk0
packaging is also very similar. Should listen to "Under pornographic sun" tape, since the name is so brilliant. If someone has the 7" for sale/trade for cheap/fair price, let me know.

[bitewerksMTB]

I'm pretty sure I still have the Hex Minora 7". Use to correspond with the guy. Have the "ai" tape also & maybe another in that same packaging.

I have 2 copies (1 dub & 1 that looks like it'd be an orig. but I think it's a dub too) of PERIMETER on Servile Ghost Tapes.I think it's Aussie. It's really good but I do not remember details. One of the dubs says "Medical Data" on it (I think T.Carlsson sent it to me). Should take a look on discogs...

I have a tape by ROUGEAUX (sp?) who is/was associated with RRRon. Did bizarre collageart. There was some sort of 7" with 8mm film set but all the copies had to be destroyed or soemthing?

The tape by ODIUM on Arbeit Recordings was the only rel. that I know of from that project. Seems like it was feedback with alot of fast delay & vocals? Haven't given it a listen in years but I remember liking it & wondering why there had been nothing else. Not sure I've seen anyone ever mention it anywhere.

http://www.discogs.com/Odium-How-To-Philosophize-With-A-Hammer/release/715566

[implicitruin]

Perhaps a stupid question, but what defines post-mortem electronics? On releases I have listened to that are labeled as such, I guess you could often talk - without being too crass - about analogue synth primitivism recorded to tape or other analogue means, as a central common denominator. But I figure that this trait cannot be definitive enough. Projects that differ quite a bit from this frame of sound have also been labeled as post-mortem. Is the essence in a certain filthy/deathly feeling of the sound or is it rather depedent on recording technique, or both? Specific concepts dealt with?

[PTM Jim]

While we're on the subject of MSNP, I did like the Olympic Shit Man C60.  I remember buying it because the cover art was fantastic. I think Harbinger Sound just reissued it on a double LP, but I could be wrong.

Certain Viodre material (especially live) had some PE references, but it was kind of rare...and thus obscure.  Absolutely amazing artist and he get little to no credit.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Olympic Shit Man 2xLP should be out very soon, I think?! Keep eye on distributors..

[bitewerksMTB]

Hex Minora was male/female. She was a dominatrix. The guy wrote about a few things she did to him + mentioned doing alot of speed. Those tapes would be interesting for LP if anyone could find them.

I remember that Olympic Shitman not being good at all. Way too busy for my taste. There was a tape on Mother Savage, right? In a small case?

[oppositional]

what about David Gilden? texas noisician very related to MSNP, nobody talks about him nowadays and I have never been able to listen to any material but discovered and got interested after seeing he released a tape in one of my favourite labels, Slaughter productions. A tape titled "depress regress" which is actually one of the rarest and hardest to find from the SP catalog... His more well known tape must be the Texas Chainsaw Dopefiend on MSNP and I think he also collaborated in early black leather jesus and had a few short lived projects with different names.

love his stuff, what little i have (i'm looking, hard, if anyone wants to help me out with more . . .). After revisiting the "depress/regress" tape many times this past month i've noticed that the majority of the material is used as source for "texas chainsaw dopefiend" -- not to say it can't hold it's own in a separate context, it's a solid tape as well; screeching metallic feedback tones with lots of guitar in the mix. unfortunately my copy has some volume issues for the first 10 minutes of the a-side, a lot of drop-outs and fumbling. i've never been able to locate another.

what about David Gilden? any fans here?

I am big fan of his music. Lately I talked with Richard RAMIREZ about DG. Probably he had mental problems and over 10 years ago he finished with music.

my understanding is that gilden died in 2008, age 34. the last known recordings are from 2000 and are unreleased, i believe; joe lombardo reviewed a tape way back in the days of noiseweb.

[bitewerksMTB]

I can't remember Viodre's name but he passed out during a taint set in Providence RI. He said it was because I was so intense. I think it was because he was drunk or high. He set up our (Grunt, Bloodyminded, Control, Deathpile, etc) gig in Brooklyn in this warehouse with exposed wiring in pools of water & holes dug into the floor near the 'stage'.

[Bloated Slutbag]

I remember that Olympic Shitman not being good at all. Way too busy for my taste.

Practically everything sounds busy after a good dose of, say, Taint. But such dismissives are not entirely undeserved I suppose, especially given the slippery slops from which such slaphacklery spewed: Roemer plugging the Macro Evil Moisture split as a "tennis match for the ears"; K2 "anybody can't catch up with me" phase splattering far and wide; Menche strutting about like a WWF wrestler; fat wads of testosterone hitting the Olympic Shit fan from every bitch angle. The artwork - hard-on headed superhero primed for aural plugging - singularly serves to Slip, Slap, Slop such sentiment home.

[Andrew McIntosh]

Perhaps a stupid question, but what defines post-mortem electronics? ... Is the essence in a certain filthy/deathly feeling of the sound or is it rather depedent on recording technique, or both? Specific concepts dealt with?

I wouldn't mind an answer to this so far un-answered question myself. I've always quite liked the name "Post Mortem", more so than Power Electronics or Industrial or any of the other usual terms used, but it's only ever been mentioned in passing, that I've read. I suppose it's one of those off-the-cuff terms that are usually invented but it would be nice to see a more definite definition. My usual reading of it is just another way of saying Death Industrial.