THE GEROGERIGEGEGE

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, April 01, 2012, 09:27:49 PM

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Peterson

#120
I heard Gero once when I was pretty young and looking for the weirdest Japanese oddities, but don't recall much of anything except the sounds of guys masturbating. Checked out the some tracks off the Moenai Hai CD, and I like what I'm hearing. Beats the "spinoff-black metal-shoegaze-lite" bullshit FreakAnimal mentioned by a mile, but I certainly don't hear many Whitehouse/Ramleh comparisons (fucking Discogs hipsters). I think the noisier and more non-music parts are the best, but I really dig the shit altogether. Dare I say, their first "serious album?" Can anyone who's an actual fan point me in the direction of some comparable stuff by them? I don't care if it's incredibly hard to find, I'm just searching YouTube.

Edit: Senzuri Power Up sounds like the thing I need. Oh, and any band that just pastes their logo over Ramones logos and sells them as patches is BRILLIANT.

aububs

Quote from: Peterson on June 09, 2016, 03:40:06 AM
Oh, and any band that just pastes their logo over Ramones logos and sells them as patches is BRILLIANT.

That's a great patch but I don't think the band made them.

Duncan

Seems like you're into more varied records. i.e. a few different approaches in one release?  If so, Senzuri Powerup is indeed a good record for exactly what you describe. You could do worse than Gay Sex Can Be Aids too in terms of that approach if not so much the actual sound (still ultra gutter, shitty noise w/ moaning, drum machines etc).

I always really loved Live Greatest Hits for this reason, plus the added bonus of this having actually happened in real time, in front of people.

Hotel Ultra is a tough listen but really great for completely useless, perverted, head scratching self torture. In a nutshell: long audio straight off a gay porn, then sax + bloopy electronics and japanese ranting.  Can't remember if it was mentioned on here or the old board, but I recall an amusing anecdote about someone listening to that LP with a japanese girl who described the spoken bits as Juntaro talking about gay clubs he goes to and inviting listeners to come and do things to him there.  Doesn't get much better than that.

tisbor

Quote from: Peterson on June 09, 2016, 03:40:06 AM
Can anyone who's an actual fan point me in the direction of some comparable stuff by them?

Try "Hell Driver".

burning

#124
Hi everyone.

I actually joined this forum specifically to post in this thread, and I have further thoughts forthcoming over the weekend, but I just wanted to point out that someone uploaded Piano River to youtube, and that sorta pisses me off a bunch, for reasons I'm unable to properly articulate at this time.


burning

#126
Quote from: a_2_g_2 on June 24, 2016, 08:59:51 PM
its shit

I disagree, although it's not especially interesting to listen to. I've also owned it for a few years. It's what the track "Stairway To Promotion" off Singles is from, I believe. (Or, rather, the track is a selection from the recordings featured on the tape.)

Also, a guy with the same username as the one peddling those bootlegs on discogs uploaded a clip from one of the more difficult to obtain Nihilist Surfin' Group tapes.

cutter



Duncan

I can't be alone in having never seen that 10 sec clip before?!!!! Amazing!!!!

burning

Okay, big post incoming:

The Gerogerigegege is one of the most important, if not just the most important, bands in my life. I won't try to explain it, because I can't, but I was introduced to them at a very formative and critical time in my life and they have forever altered my worldview and how I think about art. So that's that. I have at least one of every major Gero release (the exception being Senzuri Champion), a couple rarities and alternate covers (Ramones Showa etc.) and a copy of the Piano River tape, which I obtained from the original owner, a friend of mine who was a Gero obsessive in the early 2000's and had a brief mail correspondence with Juntaro before he fell off the face of the planet.

ANYWAY, I too received a Discogs message back in March from the "blackoperations" account regarding the Gero-P, Piano River and TNB split releases. ("blackoperations" is also the YouTube account that uploaded the NSG clip previously linked.) I was immediately kind of suspect, so I followed up with some questions asking to clarify the nature of the releases. Some of you already seem to know who this person is, or otherwise claims to be, and I was told about the same thing. I guess for the sake of privacy I'll just say they told me that they are involved with TNB.

I feel like making Gero bootlegs at this point in time is in exceedingly poor taste, given that Juntaro has become active again. Regardless of one's intentions, the renewed interest in Gero "Monai Hai"s release has created makes it seem a bit opportunistic. Not only that, but now that we all know that Juntaro is alive and interested in releasing Gero material once again, the ethics of bootlegging what is no longer a 'presumed dead' or 'abandonware' project are much murkier. When I asked blackoperations for info regarding the legitimacy of the reissues, I was told this:

Quotethe piano/river and the gero p are being done by a friend and i am assisting. only very small number being made so they will still remain rare items of course. this is all done with a bigger project in mind which will seek juntaro permission, but these tapes are 'fan club' releases and due to small number have not sought permission.

"they will still remain rare items of course," seems like a really bad attitude to be approaching this with. If you're interested in maintaining the elusiveness of these items you shouldn't be bootlegging them in the first place. It sounds to me almost like a sales pitch. So, that makes me uncomfortable as hell!, as does the recent upload of Piano River onto YouTube. Not because I am worried about my tape becoming devalued (I'm never selling it), nor out of some misplaced sense of elitism at who hears it. Only that such an esoteric, obscure, unheard recording by an extremely cult/fetish act such as Gero has been disseminated unceremoniously via YouTube.

The whole thing just sketches me out. I guess I'm a child of the internet and have never ordered tapes out of zines or done trades with people I've only ever talked to via post, having to have full faith in them. But canvassing Discogs, asking for sums as high as 75GPB upfront for a release with no release date, no details, no assurance of any kind sends up a bunch of red flags for me. Even if it's not an intentional ripoff, it's in poor taste and bad business. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing the same.

If anyone ever receives any followup information from the guy, or gets the stuff they paid for, please post about it! I'd love to see pics and stuff. I really do hope the whole thing is legit (although the bootlegs still make me extremely uncomfortable) and everything pans out and is wonderful, but I just can't invest in it on good faith alone.

davenpdx

Strange that blackoperations has moved on to new projects, when he hasn't been maintaining communication with folk about previous orders:
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=4622.msg56146#msg56146

Hope this is resolved soon.

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Duncan

#132
Quote from: burning on June 26, 2016, 05:02:14 PM
nor out of some misplaced sense of elitism at who hears it. Only that such an esoteric, obscure, unheard recording by an extremely cult/fetish act such as Gero has been disseminated unceremoniously via YouTube.

Sorry, but a misplaced sense of elitism at who hears it is exactly what this ends up being.  I know it's not what you intend but you have to look at the reality of things here outside of what the group means to you. As you say, this is a cult band and as such their sphere of influence and interest goes way, way beyond what they might want to happen with their more rare, esoteric work.  Before you take into account how much wee Junty and co. very likely played up to and thrived within their cult/obscure status BEFORE they disappeared, the culture of bootlegging/filesharing rarer items (or indeed, the whole discography) is something that has been going on way before the very recent resurfacing of Gero as a present, contactable entity and to expect that to suddenly tail off because they're back and interested in putting out new work is unrealistic. 

I don't think it is a bad thing that this ended up on youtube...What is the difference between me wanting to hear this and, say, SHOWA and turning to Youtube to do so? Yeah, one is harder to find than the other but both are still super fucking rare and so I will have to turn to uploads/downloads or boots when I don't have 100 quid spare.  This is the case with any rare musical item I'm afraid.  If you aren't proposing that we either fight to spend huge quantities of money over minuscule runs of available copies or download it from someone or buy a bootleg then what would be a better way for people to access it? And why?  From what I understand, Piano River is a typically Gero style piece of thrown together junk that was probably only so limited because it wasn't ever meant to be some hugely canonical representation of things. Just another slice of Juntaro's bizarre activities - i.e. what we love about the band in the first place - surely best enjoyed now for archival interests?  I suppose now he's back there is scope for proper reissues of almost anything, but wouldn't an officially sanctioned reissue based more on cultishness and demand than the artist's own creative ideals be a pretty cynical move?  I think it might be (though I'd absolutely buy it).  Plenty of stuff like photographs, stories and information about Gero have been dumped unceremoniously online.  Many of them shared on this very forum: is that ok but Piano River on youtube isn't?

No argument with you on expensive bootlegs being a shit idea, but then I've always stayed away from that stuff.

As for Blackoperations, like most people active in this country and its tiny noise communities I know who he is...I don't really understand the anonymity because you can piece it all together in about 3 mins looking through discogs, but I'll respect that here.  Can't particularly comment on whatever is going on with these reissues but see my previous comments about expensive boots!  One thing I will say though is that while I don't know him personally, he has appeared to be active in bringing alot of otherwise obscure info and music into a wider consciousness through his digging and contacting and I'm grateful for that.  I dare say and awful lot of the Gero sound and info you and I have been exposed to up until now has at least a little bit to do with that.  Food for thought if you want it.  Another angle to things.


burning

#133
Please don't take my disapproval of one specific action as tacit approval for everything I haven't taken the time to single out !

As for the gentleman in question: All the gero "sound and info" I've been exposed to I got secondhand "on my own", from artnotart, my old collector friend, a dude in Germany I met on discogs, and other personal inquiries. I understand everyone's experiences are different, which is why I can only advocate for my own as valid. I wouldn't seek to invalidate anyone else's, only to advocate for a degree of caution into how we propagate these experiences.

I could go on about how filesharing (especially direct, peer-to-peer filesharing) is wholly distinct from something like YouTube because of the degree of intimacy it affords and personal investment it requires, but ...

At any rate, with both YT and filesharing there's no room (or incentive) for exploitation. So I think we can at least agree on the potentially suspect nature of some of these bootlegs.

Also please understand I'm in no way saying "don't listen to this!!" or "you aren't a TRVE KVLT fan if you listen to it on YouTube," or whatever, of course everyone is free to enjoy it now that it's widely available. I'm only expressing my personal disappointment that it happened in such a way. (And, if I allow myself to be just a little cynical, "Why couldn't it have been a rarity I haven't already heard?" Haha.)

Zarko

The GEROGERIGEGEGE "燃えない灰" (Moenai Hai) LP on FOAD Records is up for preorders! Limited edition of 250 copies on dark swirl blue vinyl. Brand new album by this deranged master of noise from Japan, featuring Dr. Euro of EXECUTE on drums!

Link for pre-order:

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