Responsibility's Of Life Vs The Creative process /Your Art

Started by ironfistofthesun, July 26, 2012, 01:06:06 PM

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ironfistofthesun

A question for any other Noise dads out there..

As a happy new farther I am finding hard to get the right  balance of being the sole bread winner/farther (and all that the role entails), and the creative process ( i.e time out at my lock up/gig's etc)!
At the time when I feel most productive with ifots and feel I need to get some work done I am always needed else where !
It goes without saying my duties as a farther will come first every time, but I have a recurring  nightmare in which i take a 15 year hiatus until the kids have grown up, the re-amurge on the scene armed with a kaoss pad...

I have turned many gigs down also of late, i feel i should be going more to support the labels who release my stuff! But the "pay to play" ethos that seems to be active in the gutter end of the avant garde is no longer an option for me. Long gone are the days i can justify loosing wages /time off work, to travel and play a poorly promoted event armed with 2 heavy flight cases , a 100 miles at my own expense, to then play to an empty room on a shit system..

any experiences or thoughts would be of help..   

FreakAnimalFinland

I think there is difference of bands who have been very concious what they do - and they can return to the vision no matter if there is week, month, year or few years inbetween the recording. Especially those who never relied on technology of specfic moment which you didn't really control.
As opposed to band who used to record in analogue studio, who will sound different when they return during pro-tools studio era.

If it's your own gear, your own solid ideas, they remain as is, unless you choose otherwise?

Most certainly family takes time, but I believe it can't be just utter void of sucking ALL time and energy? Perhaps it is depending on how one does things. Majority of my own work happens inside the head. Song ideas, lyrics, plans, sketches, etc. Something that develops over the time and finally when time is right - will get done. In that moment I'm prepared, I know what I'm looking after, what should be done to achieve it, etc.

I have no burning urge to tour abroad, but lets say I'm 100% sure the semi-burnout of less than 1 year old kid needing 100% attention vs. situation in year or couple... might make you think why one would take too much pressure of temporary situation? Year here, year there, will not mean that much when band is 20 years old. What is it from last proper Grunt new album? 3 years? Of course a lot of thing happened meanwhile, but still that what I consider my "main band" and 3 years just flies quick.
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Andrew McIntosh

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Firstly, congratulations.

Get used to getting no sleep. I'm not a parent myself but I do know that your little one will be keeping your wife and yourself up for many nights, unless you've got a particularly good sleeper. Goes in stages, anyway.

The world's full of people who make art and are parents. Family comes first, but the urge remains. The right kind of balance you need will just happen. But put the family first. Don't worry about that nightmare of yours. Suppose it even comes true? By that stage you'll be totally happy with it. But I'd say it wont come to that.

By the way, spell it father, not farther. Two different words meaning different things.
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tiny_tove

 Many congratulations.
These are some random thoughts on the subject. After many years constantly in first line, I have radically changed habits. Some people –also on this forum- has been asking me why I have disappeared and several urban legends have been spread by people that claim to be "friends", etc.

I am no father and do not plan to be, but I ended up having the same situations/thoughts since I changed job 3 years ago.
Until then, I had been living most of my life either as a self-employed worker or as a consultant (not to mention a couple of periods when I was completely unemployed and survived selling my collection on ebay). Until 3 years ago I was able to record whenever I wanted and more than anything travel for gigs and meeting people to organize gigs/releases, etc.
I was meeting more often my "music" related friends than those in my hometown, especially when I was hanging around Germany every fortnight.

When I accepted this full time job, my free time reduced and I shifted from recording and assembling/trying stuff at least 2 hours a day to 2 hours a month.
With my past jobs I was constantly on line 16hours a day, so I was able to stay in touch with people in real-time. Now I keep forgetting answering mails, and sound like and asshole, since when I don't reply immediately, no answer may be sent. I am not proud of that at all, quite embarrassed, since this happened also with friends with the capital F. This means I no longer can run a distro as I have been doing for the first decade of my activities, I am no longer reliable even in small things.

Not to mention that I was living near to a post office, so I was trying to send out orders every day as part of my daily routine. Now I moved to town center and have weird times, so I try to get help from my dad.

The first year of job I was trying to get into the new timing, I was still running the old lifestyle, but the result was quite stressing.
Travelling around Europe, with 10 hours of flights/waits/busses/cabs, to play 35 minutes (20 when in Madrid...), having to endure the same sound engeneer, who changed shape, name and race, but was always trying to make me sound like Deep purple, switching off effects, etc.
There were excellent exceptions (Finland, Germany and Holland were always fantastic!), but whenever I returned home I had missed too much sleep and energy to get back to work in decent form.

So I have completely stopped playing concerts (this also due to an annoying health condition, nothing serious, but that keeps me away from any place with loud volumes).

I almost considered stopping. The job I do - and love - takes most of my day and when I return home I am very tired and the last thing I want to do is go back sending e-mails all night long, chatting to organise things, etc.

I definitely need time for myself doing nothing and just recharge batteries.
The week end I prefer staying in-house relaxing with my gf, etc. You know how it goes.

Luckily, after two years (and having my little home-studio set), I started recording a lot again.

I just needed to rationalise, creating a new method and learn how to be the most flexible I can.
If today I can't do it, I will do it tomorrow, but I force myself to have some schedules in this.

I rehearse both at home than in a studio (for vocals) at least once a week. Once a month I try to have a free week-end to record and work on graphics.
I write lyrics whenever they come to mind... travelling about 1.5 hours a day I have plenty of time for that.

Naturally having a kid is way more a stronger commitment –since I suppose you also have to work- but I think once he will be able to walk and talk and create his own fun, you might be able to do more.

Regarding sloppy gigs. Maybe you could focus on only two/three gigs in a year where you know things will go smoothly with people you really know... But that that's up to you...
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mdtdeath

Congrats!!!
I'm gonna be father too.
For sure i'll reduce my musical activity, and nearly sure i've to put on hiatus my label.
But i'm pretty sure we could find some times to record and do other things :)

P A N I C

Nearly everything went on the backburner here when I became a dad last year. In addition to kids apparently really costing a lot of time (and sleep) I switched jobs, and with my (now) regular 40-hour work week I just have much fewer spare moments to get around to doing something. I still record occasionally, and never did perform anyway, but my label activitiy for now is 0. I just can't find the time (or funds - I (gladly) spend a lot on my son) to do it well. Too bad. I've come to purchase and listen (even?) more actively, which is nice, too. Right now I'm assembling some stuff for a self release while mum is out back playing with our kid. Seize those moments!

ironfistofthesun

cheers guys..

There is no right/wrong answers but peoples experiences will help gain an insight.
thanks for the input

The way I work may be a problem, I am always hungry for the next project..i.e I am 99% finished the new album but it seems out of the question to put it on hold now.
But as you have pointed out there is no rush to get things out, in the grand masterplan of life 1-2 years is nothing, but I am always worried that creative momentum will stop if I do and that its good to be busy , almost like a shark must keep swimming !

Even the way I now listen to music in the house has changed! Anyone else?

Thanks again

@Andrew ye my 6 month old probably has a better grip of English than me..Always shameful when folk from Sweden/Finland/Norway/Italy.. speak and type better than you! A product of the 80's education system in England!

Bleak Existence

my son is 3 years old and i still have the time to make and record noise but i do not have the $ anymore to buy release or the time to go to noise show like i used to do a child cost a lot of $ and take a lot of your free time but to be parents is something very special and very rewarding love and take care of your child

Ashmonger

I became father in september of last year. First couple of months are difficult, because you don't sleep well, but on the other hand, the baby sleeps a lot, so that leaves a bit of time to do on other stuff. Those first months not sleeping much aren't very nice, hehe, but we were lucky after less than two months she slept through the night and still does.
However, it's true that a baby takes quite some time and leaves less free time, but it's just an exercise in balance, basically. Ok, everything goes slower and there's less time to do certain stuff, but now and then I'll just say: now I'm going to record or listen to music or something. And sometimes the girlfriend says so and I take care of the baby. Or I'll just stay up after everybody else went to bed to do what I want to do.
What is the basic difficulty for me is going to (metal) gigs, since they come in waves, summer and winter are often calm, spring and fall there often are more gigs, so then the girlfriend doesn't like it that I'm often gone, but then, as happens now, the last gig I've been to is 2 months ago, since I don't do many festivals. Also, since I prefer gigs, I don't often just go to pubs anymore, therefore seeing some of my friends, with different musical taste, only every few months lately.
What is sometimes frustrating to me is that I sometimes in a short time get a lot of plans of things I want to try and do, but then there's no time to do it all immediately, so that even when I have done some of the stuff over a year, it seems like I've done nothing at all. And that happens as well, periods of lazyness...

When it comes to listening to music, that has changed since I live together with my girlfriend, has been so for 4 years now. She doesn't like most extreme music, so there's lot of headphone listening and just less listening than when I would live alone, for example. As for the baby: some people seem very afraid that letting a baby listen to extreme music is unacceptable, I call bullshit on that, however, I have noticed that while listening to some music with the baby around is no problem for her at all, a couple of records on a day is a bit much. Guess it depends on how sensitive your baby is. I remember listening to the Total Gape tape when she was just weeks old and she fell asleep, so no problem at all.

Last point: people often say a baby needs a lot of attention and that is totally correct, however I sometimes wonder whether it does really get better when they're a bit older (say 6-12 years), I mean if they need help with homework for school, I guess that's quite a time-sucker as well.

Anyway, to conclude this lengthy post: I never felt like I should drop certain things in total, but you have to be more picky, it takes longer and sometimes it feels a bit like a fight, since you have to search more for the time to do things.

Johann

first off, congratulations

i myself am not a parent, however, i do understand your dilema quite well. I make my living chefing and am in a committed relationship complete with pets, car payment etc...My weeks average5 days around 50 hours of work, in the past they have gotten as high as 70+ sometimes 14 or 15 days straight.

i don't really have an easy solution, because honestly i too feel this dilema often.

figure out how to manage your time, try to chart your day in a way to leave you with some free time to listen or create.

try to set up a space of your own, this may be more challenging, such as a basement or shed...or even an attic. if you live in an apartment, see what is available around the building sometimes you can find a boiler room that is never locked or (unlocked) empty apartments in the basement that they use for storage

space is important, especially if your other doesn't necessarily enjoy extreme music as much as you...

and basically try to make a routine of it and stay dedicated (this is the hardest part, since you will be exhausted and not feel the mental energy) however just sitting and spending a half an hour to an hour will be good for you and you will probably adjust well to it

and do lots of nice things for your gf/wife (flowers, cook dinner, diapers, etc) and that way she'll never have to much an issue with you slipping away to do yer own thing ;)

good luck!

Mattias G

Congrats! I have been a dad since may last year when i got a daughter and yes things changed. The first weeks when it was a little bit rough i thought that i will never have time to do music again. But after a while when i understood how things worked the change was not so radical after all. Of course there is less time, but when i have the time to recording i get more done than ever before. I can fully relate to what Mikko said about "Majority of my own work happens inside the head". I almost always compose in my head and assemble all the sounds before the recordings starts, and when inspiration is there and the time is right i do it.

I know that it´s very different from country to country. But here in Sweden we have quite generous with paid "daddy/mom days" or what you called it. Of course it´s all about the money but here one of the parents can be home with the child for like 1-2 years. And that is not unusual.
I have a good nightwork that gives me very much free time. So we have been home both of us except for the few nights i work, and then they sleeps anyway. So this situation have been gold since we have given ourselves plenty of "own time" if we need it. So for us it have been very good.
But in a few months when my girlfriend will start work again things will change. So i wan´t say too much. But right know parenthood rules!

cipher chris

I have a three year old and a 16 month old.  Trying to do ANYTHING initially - even with one child - was difficult, but once everyone gets into a routine you can start to set aside blocks of time to get things done.  Motivation is the difficult part - having pre-determined time sounds gerat, but if you don't feel up to it, you can lose the benefit of your allocated minutes.

Good luck!