Prog(kraut/zeuhl/rio)

Started by jesusfaggotchrist, August 13, 2012, 12:37:54 AM

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jesusfaggotchrist

Couldn't find a thread pertaining to progressive rock and electronic music so I created one) pretty interested in zeuhl and rio recs particularly, favorite albums/artists etc. but anything prog wil do.

Zeno Marx

top prog album picks (not including King Crimson):

Atila - Reviure 1978
Biglietto per L'Inferno - s/t 1974
Biglietto per L'Inferno - Live 1974
Campo Di Marte - s/t 1973
Catherine Ribeiro & Alpes - Le Rat Debile 1974 *very cool mellow French prog with a cosmic chanteuse feel; all the albums I've heard are good to great
Golden Earring - Moontan 1973
Group 1850 - Paradise Now 1969
Il Balletto Di Bronzo - Sirio 2222 1970
Il Balletto Di Bronzo - YS 1972
Jumbo - Vietato Ai Minori Di 18 Anni 1973
Kraan - s/t 1972  (mostly for "Kraan Arabia")
Le Orme - Collage 1971
Osanna - L'Uomo 1971
Out of Focus - Wake Up 1970
Phoenix - Cei Ce Ne-Au Dat Nume 1973
Phoenix - Cantofabule (Cantafabule) 1975
Sahara - Sunrise 1973
Spring - The Untitled 2 1973

and this is a recent must-have box set reissue.  I've been waiting for this one for several years.
http://www.amazon.com/4-Albums-Originaux-Catherine-Ribeiro/dp/B007FHLTOW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1D6R97HHZVJO2&coliid=IP62J604S5KSS
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online prowler

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Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on August 13, 2012, 12:37:54 AM
Couldn't find a thread pertaining to progressive rock and electronic music so I created one) pretty interested in zeuhl and rio recs particularly, favorite albums/artists etc. but anything prog wil do.

Great thread. As a first pitch I would like to shed a light on the Swedish prog-psych-folk unit Älgarnas Trädgård and their release "Framtiden är ett svävande skepp förankrat i forntiden" from 1972. A true gem in my opinon. Dark, dissonant, heavy, tripy undercurrents. Textbook.



Listen One // http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Uy9tBzB7M
Listen Two // http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mULKnP5J1fc

ARKHE

Next to MAGMA (obviously), the Zeuhl orchestra that I've enjoyed the most is ESKATON, especially their 4 Visions album. Doesn't fall too much into the jazzrock stuff like DÜN or WEIDORJE, or the spastic Japanese stuff from later years (KOENJIHYAKKEI or even worse RUINS). Recommendations in that vein are appreciated. SHUB-NIGGURATH are too monotonous, EIDER STELLAIRE didn't do much for me either.

jesusfaggotchrist

been enjoying gentle giant, rush and can. anything that blends the former twos 'classical' approach with the proto-industrial repetitive sound of the latter would appreciate. hawkwind comes close but i want something jazzier.

acsenger

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Here's what I'm familiar with in zeuhl & RIO (and throw in some jazzrock and prog rock):
Magma – one of my favourite bands. Got everything that counts by them and there's nothing I don't like to at least a certain extent (save for some live albums)
Univeria Zekt – only one album (The Unnamables). Recorded, I think, at the same time as the second Magma album, it was pretty accessible jazzrock (which at the time was Magma's style too, although in a strange way) in an attempt to get more Magma fans. It's not a bad listen by any means, but overall a little too commercial (I especially don't like the singing)
Christian Vander  – the boss of Magma, his solo albums are also great. They're different from Magma and very hard to describe. He also has jazz albums which are also good, some of them great (the best I think is his Alien trio CD)
Offering – another Vander and Magma-related band with great releases (although there are weaker moments here and there)
Fusion – Vander was involved again; they only have one album (from 1981) and it's great. Not jazz/rock fusion as the title might imply, it's more... electronic/rock jamming (with the occasional violin)
Weidorje – only one album (s/t). Classic zeuhl, but I think only about half the songs are good
Paga/Bernard Paganotti – used to play in Magma; has a few solo albums of which I only know Paga which has some very good zeuhl parts
Shub-Niggurath – one album as far as I know. I find it boring and annoying after a while. Read a lot of rave reviews about it before hearing it and was I disappointed when I finally heard it!
Zao  – I believe the founder used to play in Magma. I only know their album Shekina which is jazzrock and has some really good themes. I'd say about half the album is great, the rest isn't bad either, just not very exciting
Univers Zero  – love them! Of their second phase (from the 90s onwards) I only know one album (Implosion, I think) but would love to hear the rest.The 70s and 80s stuff is very dark chamber rock. Implosion is somewhat lighter and I've read so are their other newer albums
Daniel Denis  – main man in Univers Zero, has 2 solo albums I believe. I know one, it's very good, similar to UZ's Implosion album in that it's lighter than "classic" UZ (it's still not pop music though, of course)
Present  – main man used to be in Univers Zero. I have their first 2 albums (available on 1 CD) which are great. Similar to UZ but with more electric guitar
Art Zoyd – only know Symphonie pour le jour où brûleront les cités which was their first album but then a few years later they re-recorded and re-released it under the same title. I have the second version (reissued by Sub Rosa last year). It's somewhat similar to UZ but more classical in approach. I must admit I still don't know how much I like this album, despite having heard it maybe 10 times. It's very demanding and cold, so I gotta give it a few more spins still
Patrick Gauthier  – his first album (from 1980), Bebe Godzilla, is one of my favourite albums ever. Discovered it early this year and I already must've heard it 50 times. It's a wonderful mix of zeuhl, prog rock, psychedelic music, beautiful melodies and quirky themes. Gauthier used to play in Magma, Weidorje and Heldon. He made 2 more albums in '93 and '96 respectively, but while they have good moments, they're surprisingly commercial (and crap)
Jean-Philippe Goude – another ex-member of Weidorje. His 1979 album Drones is a great mix of zeuhl and unusual prog rock. Too bad I don't know his other albums
Jannick Top  – ex-bassist of Magma. I only know his Soleil D'Ork album which was a disappointment. I remember liking about one song (which was great zeuhl), the rest was uninspired
Benoit Widemann  – has 3 albums, Tsunami, Stress and 3. They're solid synth/rock albums with a touch of zeuhl. Some of the songs stand out for having lovely melodies and if they were all like that, his albums couldn't be beat
Heldon  – I only know Interface which I guess is their most famous album. I absolutely love the parts with synths or synths & drums, but when the electric guitar comes in, it goes downhill for me. I can't stand guitar wanking and sadly there's a lot of that on this album. Roughly half of it is still awesome
Richard Pinhas  – only know some of his solo albums: Rhizosphere and Chronolyse (great psychedelic synth albums, especially Chronolyse), Metal/Crystal (pretty good) and Keio Line with Merzbow (I also remember liking that one)
Ruins – I like them, although not their early stuff which is too spastic for my taste. Burning Stone has some of the best songs I've ever heard (although not the entire album is great) and sadly they didn't continue with that style. However, I like their later albums too (even if I could do without the high-pitched vocals). The Sax Ruins  album is especially good (Ruins songs played on saxophone and drums)
Korekyojinn  – probably my favourite Tatsuya Yoshida project. They play mathrock, perhaps? (I don't know what that term really refers to). Unusual riffs and rhythms, sometimes very catchy melodies. My favourite album might be Isotope
Koenjihyakkei  – I like their first album the most (Hundred Sights of Koenji). It's a bit like a spastic Magma. Later albums are often quite tedious, but all of them have some good parts
Bondage Fruit  – I'm pretty sure I've heard all their albums (6 in total perhaps) but I could never get into them. Maybe I'll give them another try
Zamla Mammaz Manna  – Schlagerns Mystik is a great album. Quirky, weird, humorous (rock?) music. För Äldre Nybegynnare, on the other hand, is a terrible improvised album that goes nowhere. Don't know their other albums, sadly
Henry Cow  – I've listened to a few of their albums but I couldn't really get into them. I don't know why. I'll have to give them another try

Jaakko V.

A severely underrated band was UR KAOS from Sweden. RIO meets zeuhl and punk. Especially the self-titled debut is highly recommendable.

ARKHE

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Ur Kaos are amazing. Kudos to Strömkarlen/Vehm for sending me a tape with their two first albums. The related band Zut Un Feu Rouge is also worth investigating, though it's far less dark, more new waveish & "crazy". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9PNwjD_AFY

Reading the Eurock book, which should be mandatory for anyone into this kind of music. All 30 something issues of the fanzine Eurock, from 1973 to early nineties, an American guy writing about all the new & experimental European bands. First issue has big spreads on Amon Düül (both I & II), Tangerine Dream (who's just signed to Virgin) and Can. Later issues delve into Magma, Rock in Opposition bands, and other far out rock music. Interesting to read about the bands while they were still creating their legacy, rather than the legendary fetishized objects for music nerds & record collectors they are today. The style and approach is the same as fanzines 40 years later - no clueless outsider journalism, but pure passion for great music.

Am moving more and more into the later/post-RIO (avantgarderock) bands; Art Bears are spectacular, as are Thinking Plague and 5uu's (have only heard their last album from 2002 though). Amazing vocalists in all these bands.
Thinking Plague: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOj_FjJlI_w
Art Bears - Dagmar Krause is bloody wonderful in this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYRO5T1voLE

ARKHE

For modern day interpretation of the Zeuhl sound (at least that's what I'm hearing, from esp. the surreal cosmic sound Köhntarköhz and Eskaton's 4 Visions) - check out US band GA'AN. 2 lps out on Captcha records (I think it was), both are highly recommended, "Black Equus" from 2011 especially. They call their own music minimal progressive, but in my ears it's Zeuhl. This track is from the first selftitled album, but re-recorded on Black Equus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkemyhgHnEo

Next to Guapo and Dysrhythmia the greatest band working within this... well, genre I guess you could call it even though the mentioned bands are wildly separated in many ways.

SKY BURIAL

Prog kick lately. Spinning NEKTAR nearly non-stop recently (as well as CAMEL, YES,  KING CRIMSON and AMON DUUL II).

Zeno Marx

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This was included on one of the recent King Crimson reissue album box sets; the ones with several mixes, DVD-A, 5.1, added outtakes, rehearsals, videos, etc.  I cannot remember which one.  I think it was Red.  Obviously much better quality there than on youtube, but still a fun watch.  30 minutes of 1974 from French TV.

http://youtu.be/A4rnaPoIv1Q
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

Strömkarlen

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Quote from: ARKHE on December 20, 2012, 11:17:21 PM
Ur Kaos are amazing. Kudos to Strömkarlen/Vehm for sending me a tape with their two first albums.

I knew you like them!

Some one put the whole first Ur Kaos on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VFiKU-r50 Great stuff!

Strangely enough there was a little scene of weird kraut influenced zeuhl whatever in Linköping/Sweden when I grew up.

Ur Kaos is probably the best but you shouldn't miss Lachens Songs From Cities of Decay http://www.discogs.com/Lachn-Jonsson-Songs-From-Cities-Of-Decay/master/78899

I have a tape of the extended recording the infamous Watertower sessions. http://www.discogs.com/Organic-Soundscape-Music-Organic-Soundscape-Music-II/release/1192767

I also really like Paradogx (one tape in a minimal edition...) http://www.myspace.com/paradogx

And as usual by scene I mean 5 roughly five people...

Strömkarlen

Oh, I forgot Kultivator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn788Y3kZWc

The guys who released most of this stuff are still there http://www.bautarecords.se

Jaakko V.

Been very interested of what Jonsson is up to nowadays. Apparently just some sound engineering and stuff(?) The last music thing of his I heard about was that he had done something together with the guy from Raison d'Être...

Strömkarlen

Yeah, he have been running his studio (where also Njurmännen recorded) since the early eighties on his farm.

I think he actually was a teacher on the university when he hooked up with Raison Peter. I have yet to hear those recordings.

I'm guessing you will interested in this as well.

Asken Yggdrasil
The music on this record is from another era, consisting of remains excavated from tape archives.  The music was created under the influence of records such as Bo Hansson-Lord of the rings; Instrumental, melodic music with a touch of old folk-traditions and a Nordic atmosphere.  Old Norse mythology became the theme for a musical suite, where the predictions of the Voluspa gave the motifs to form an instrumental tale.
Composed and recorded in Skog, Sturefors, 1974-1976, by Mats and Lars Jonsson. Edited, mixed and mastered in The Forest studio, Sturefors, 2010-2011, by Lars Jonsson. Mats Jonsson – electric and acoustic guitar, bass guitar, piano (solo) Lars Jonsson – drums, organ and electric piano, bass guitar, metallophone, acoustic guitar. Hans Bengtén – bass guitar, mandolin (A6, B2, B4), and cover layout.

Lp on Bauta released on the 17 december. There are samples on http://www.bautarecords.se