MALE RIGHTS MOVEMENT / IDEOLOGY

[Andrew McIntosh]

look, just let me have the last word, and be done with it.

if you feel like disrespecting my views, keep it to yourself.

Sorry, but you've got a lot more in common with your feminists foes than you realise.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I would say male rights movement is feminism in disguise.
It certainly reeks of cultural marxism - even if some of the supporters probably like to see exactly opposite.

Certainly guy who has alias of "jesusfaggotchrist" under e-mail of "killallhipster" isn't in position of asking anyone respect anything, hah.

[Jordan]

I wonder if any MRA's have contributed anything as valuable to literature as say, Dworkin. Sure, there's Sotos, Mailer, Burroughs, etc., etc., but what about someone who self-identifies as an MRA? I mean, that trustinjesusorgotohell.com site is pretty great, but I mean truly valuable literature.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

why does everyone associate MRAs with christianity? not all of love that gay jew jesus.

anyways, sure some parrellels can be drawn between my beliefs and those of post-modern feminism, we're just using the same dirty tricks they used to undermine the movement. the only reason I was getting defensive and arrogant was because I stand alone, I don't think anyone on here is going to see it from my perspective. but that's ok, I expect that. and Mikko, I would be offended by your pointing out of my username and other signifier but that's ad hominem and has hardly anything to do with the subject at hand.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

if you feel like disrespecting my views, keep it to yourself.

not all of love that gay jew jesus.

the only reason I was getting defensive and arrogant was because I stand alone

Mikko, I would be offended by your pointing out of my username and other signifier but that's ad hominem and has hardly anything to do with the subject at hand.

Yes it has, it was comment related to Andrews message above. You clearly adapt the victim role of feminism and political correctness, but additionally rejecting whatever sense there may have been in those movements. Having words like "gay jew christ" and "I would be offended.." said in same short message simply shows the cluelessness. This is the male rights movement prototype. Offensive and vulgar simple brutes crying for understanding and rights they wouldn't give to others and what doesn't manifest in their own behavior.

Those who believe in equality, probably exclude offensive vulgarity and see the other angle.
Those who do not believe in equality, probably exclude the pathetic crybaby element as it hardly belongs to role of people shaping the world.

You should know how to represent male rights movement from good perspective. If you do not, then you're simply not worth of those rights. It is as simple as that.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

if you feel like disrespecting my views, keep it to yourself.

not all of love that gay jew jesus.

the only reason I was getting defensive and arrogant was because I stand alone

Mikko, I would be offended by your pointing out of my username and other signifier but that's ad hominem and has hardly anything to do with the subject at hand.

Yes it has, it was comment related to Andrews message above. You clearly adapt the victim role of feminism and political correctness, but additionally rejecting whatever sense there may have been in those movements. Having words like "gay jew christ" and "I would be offended.." said in same short message simply shows the cluelessness. This is the male rights movement prototype. Offensive and vulgar simple brutes crying for understanding and rights they wouldn't give to others and what doesn't manifest in their own behavior.

Those who believe in equality, probably exclude offensive vulgarity and see the other angle.
Those who do not believe in equality, probably exclude the pathetic crybaby element as it hardly belongs to role of people shaping the world.

You should know how to represent male rights movement from good perspective. If you do not, then you're simply not worth of those rights. It is as simple as that.

since when was I offended? never. even if equality existed, why would excluding vulgarity change anything? fuck this privilege bullshit, everyone has the right to be offended, but no offense should be taken because in the larger picture it doesn't matter, freedom of speech is freedom of speech, and criticism, even vulgar criticism, is not hate speech. hate speech was just a term used by uppercrust liberals to place themselves in a special place. nobody is special, we should all revel in the filth because it builds character. intolerance is law.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

as far as i'm concerned Andrea Dworkin is a hatemongerer

So you are uppercrust liberal?

I guess topic has time to end before we turn into total troniks misc... ;)

[RyanWreck]

Of course he is a liberal. It's impossible to be so rah-rah about anyone separate group, gender, person/personal liberties this much and not be considered, by definition, a liberal. Not to mention this whole "movement" being spoken of here began it's life as a joke on one of the most leftist, liberal gigantic shit generators ever:

http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrights

[Jordan]

I'm pretty sure the "movement" goes back a lot further than Reddit. I first heard of it on a documentary on our state TV channel here in Canada over ten years ago, but it seems to at least go back to the seventies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement

[RyanWreck]

Yes, that's true. It probably goes back even further than the 60's-70's. Maybe what I should have said is that the major reproduction and proliferation, especially on the internet (outside of shit Angelfire, Lycos type sites in the early 00's), popped up there.

[Andrew McIntosh]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/26/davidfickling

Old news, but a blast from the Men's Rights past. John Abbott used to run a rehearsal centre in Brunswick called the Dane Centre. Lots of punk bands used to rehearse there and I can remember rehearsing there too a couple of times with an abstract music band. Ironically, Conflict, on their first Aust. tour, where to play their only all ages gig there but they pulled out because of another (pathetic) story.

Anyway, Abbott was right into the whole fascist look and whacko religious attitude.
http://violentangrymen.blogspot.com.au/2009/03/john-abbott-melbourne-blackshirts.html
There was a good interview with him in the colour supplement of a weekend edition of The Age I recall, where he basically explained his anguish at being divorced and not having access to his kids. So he formed The Blackshirts, complete with uniform and masks, to make public actions. They'd picket courts but also hang around the houses of recently divorced women and their kids, until a lot of people in Brunswick got sick of it and started protesting him. Last I heard the Dance Centre is still running but under another management. Never heard what happened to Abbott after that.

[Jordan]

Yes, that's true. It probably goes back even further than the 60's-70's. Maybe what I should have said is that the major reproduction and proliferation, especially on the internet (outside of shit Angelfire, Lycos type sites in the early 00's), popped up there.

If the movement is worth anything at all, I'd say it is solely on account of those angelfire websites.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/26/davidfickling

Old news, but a blast from the Men's Rights past. John Abbott used to run a rehearsal centre in Brunswick called the Dane Centre. Lots of punk bands used to rehearse there and I can remember rehearsing there too a couple of times with an abstract music band. Ironically, Conflict, on their first Aust. tour, where to play their only all ages gig there but they pulled out because of another (pathetic) story.

Anyway, Abbott was right into the whole fascist look and whacko religious attitude.
http://violentangrymen.blogspot.com.au/2009/03/john-abbott-melbourne-blackshirts.html
There was a good interview with him in the colour supplement of a weekend edition of The Age I recall, where he basically explained his anguish at being divorced and not having access to his kids. So he formed The Blackshirts, complete with uniform and masks, to make public actions. They'd picket courts but also hang around the houses of recently divorced women and their kids, until a lot of people in Brunswick got sick of it and started protesting him. Last I heard the Dance Centre is still running but under another management. Never heard what happened to Abbott after that.

that's awesome, he sure trolled those fucks.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

Of course he is a liberal. It's impossible to be so rah-rah about anyone separate group, gender, person/personal liberties this much and not be considered, by definition, a liberal. Not to mention this whole "movement" being spoken of here began it's life as a joke on one of the most leftist, liberal gigantic shit generators ever:

http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrights

for every action, there is an equal or greater opposing reaction. they brought it on themselves. any public forum that is one sided is bound to bring detractors out of the woodwork. surprised that hasn't happened to 4chan. also, the correct term is libertarian, not liberal. and you're thinking of a leftist, which may be authoritarian or libertarian.

[Jordan]

Of course he is a liberal. It's impossible to be so rah-rah about anyone separate group, gender, person/personal liberties this much and not be considered, by definition, a liberal. Not to mention this whole "movement" being spoken of here began it's life as a joke on one of the most leftist, liberal gigantic shit generators ever:

http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrights

for every action, there is an equal or greater opposing reaction. they brought it on themselves. any public forum that is one sided is bound to bring detractors out of the woodwork. surprised that hasn't happened to 4chan. also, the correct term is libertarian, not liberal. and you're thinking of a leftist, which may be authoritarian or libertarian.

Liberalism - if only mouthwash could talk... To hear it told by modern, American capital-L Libertarians, libertarianism is just a continuation of the classical liberal project, even though the first use of that term to refer to a political philosophy was firmly in the context of anarcho-communism, and was coined as an alternative to Proudhon's more individualistic vision of anarchism. Until then, the word libertarian had been used to describe free-thinkers, or free-thought.

Still, modern day libertarianism, in the sense that I'd imagine you to be using it, and at least how that word has been used in the media, especially in the last half decade, does bear an uncanny resemblance to classical liberalism. So it's not so far off to describe philosophies as such with an emphasis on civil liberties and equality, even if they emphasize laissez-faire, free-markets and property rights, as liberalism.