Ambient music - Eno "manifest"

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, May 05, 2010, 10:15:56 AM

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Was just listening to the AMBIENT 1: Music For Airports LP. I remember as teenage when it was played on radio as specific origin of the genre name, I thought what a load of shit. I had already used to idea of texturally rich, yet more abstract sound described as "ambient" and hearing such a... ehm.. muzak, seemed like very dull thing.
Anyways, later on with slightly more open mind, and perhaps when you actually read what Eno was thinking, I do think that many do perhaps lose up the original "ambient" concept of being background music:

These are the liner notes from the initial American release of Brian Eno's "Music for Airports / Ambient 1", PVC 7908 (AMB 001)

QuoteAMBIENT MUSIC
The concept of music designed specifically as a background feature in the environment was pioneered by Muzak Inc. in the fifties, and has since come to be known generically by the term Muzak. The connotations that this term carries are those particularly associated with the kind of material that Muzak Inc. produces - familiar tunes arranged and orchestrated in a lightweight and derivative manner. Understandably, this has led most discerning listeners (and most composers) to dismiss entirely the concept of environmental music as an idea worthy of attention.

Over the past three years, I have become interested in the use of music as ambience, and have come to believe that it is possible to produce material that can be used thus without being in any way compromised. To create a distinction between my own experiments in this area and the products of the various purveyors of canned music, I have begun using the term Ambient Music.

An ambience is defined as an atmosphere, or a surrounding influence: a tint. My intention is to produce original pieces ostensibly (but not exclusively) for particular times and situations with a view to building up a small but versatile catalogue of environmental music suited to a wide variety of moods and atmospheres.

Whereas the extant canned music companies proceed from the basis of regularizing environments by blanketing their acoustic and atmospheric idiosyncracies, Ambient Music is intended to enhance these. Whereas conventional background music is produced by stripping away all sense of doubt and uncertainty (and thus all genuine interest) from the music, Ambient Music retains these qualities. And whereas their intention is to `brighten' the environment by adding stimulus to it (thus supposedly alleviating the tedium of routine tasks and levelling out the natural ups and downs of the body rhythms) Ambient Music is intended to induce calm and a space to think.

Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting.

BRIAN ENO
September 1978

When listening the Music For Airports, it sounds to me as if Eno didn't quite perfectly yet reach what he aimed, but it sounds indeed like muzak version of something. Maybe that is also thanks to being over 30 years old recording, so the synthetic choir keyboards and electronic piano producing slowly drifting melodies sounds just that way.

The whole topic was actually reminded to me by situation, that I actually was in airport recently, and they had installation there, where Eno style keyboard ambient mixed with sounds of water could be heard in entire hallway, and at some point some visual installation & images related to it. Not sure if that helps you in stress being one of the sweaty fuckers running to get the luggage and get the hell out of airport, but it did remind of the topic I just some days earlier opened about possibilities of noise and it's reach outside the devotees of genre.

Realistically, it's of course hard to even seriously discuss of noise being used as enviromental/ambient sound, but perhaps that is valid for pretty much most of the stuff what is called "ambient" nowadays. It simply isn't the material for background. And it requires very active listening, sometimes even in perfect surrounding of decent quality home stereo system.

So, my question is basically, is there any ambient now, where intentions and the results are somewhere near the Eno's manifest? Did ambient turn as opposite what it was "meant to be". From contributing & interacting with the sounds already existing in certain location, to create certain atmosphere into silence of your home or stereoheadphones?
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Didn't see another dedicated Eno thread.  Recently learned that he found Miles Davis "He Loved Him Madly" to be influential.  It's a 32-minute track off the Get Up with It album.  How Davis influenced so many styles of music is fascinating because you can't always hear it.  It's the air he bent, not necessarily the sounds.

https://tokion.jp/en/2020/09/30/miles-davis-influence-on-japanese-ambient-music/
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A few years ago I revisited the  Musée de l'Orangerie - Claude Monet's Water Lilies - apart from the Japanese tourists taking 'selfies' in front of the paintings (despite no photograph signs) they had 'background music' playing. Rather poor quality IMO, and not wanted. I've also noticed some cathedrals now play background organ and singing...Ugh! though a recent visit to Coventry cathedral there was a 'real' organist playing...

I also made what I called ambient sounds, e.g. background of an imagined estuary with water flowing and sea birds, another of a summer garden in the rain...etc.  as well as the less ambient 'WAR' and 'ATOMIC BOMB tests' pieces.

Eno complained at the audience in a performance of Music for Airports that they were listening to the music...? I've also used his generative system many years ago but found it fairly derivative of those sounds for meditation CDs you find in shops selling magic crystals etc. Kind of the audio equivalent of the Mandelbrot set pictures – initially 'interesting' but soon becomes cliched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music


I much prefer his work with Fripp – No pussyfooting... (could a mainstream band now release a track called "Swastika Girls"... )

Andrew McIntosh

Today, there's things online where abstracted music/sound is played with the sole intent of having some kind of unimposing yet enjoyable sound in the background or foreground as much as you'd want. Like this -

https://mynoise.net

You've also got loads of videos on YouTube that are something like ten hours of pure sound, from basic white/brown/pink/etc noise to "soundscapes" meant to invoke ideas of various settings - forests, cities, oceans, etc.

It's getting away from Eno's more traditional musical elements of composition to just setting up algorithms or whatever and letting them do their thing. The sort of thing he was writing about in his manifesto, although it's more like "canned music" but playing the audio elements Eno preferred - "induce calm and a space to think", or even to not think. Best of both worlds.

By the way, Eno composed that little musical bit that you used to hear when you turned on p.c.'s, for Microsoft. If you're running Windows XP or something like that, you'll still hear it. He made an album of that kind of thing, which I haven't heard.
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Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 26, 2021, 02:22:24 PM


By the way, Eno composed that little musical bit that you used to hear when you turned on p.c.'s, for Microsoft. If you're running Windows XP or something like that, you'll still hear it. He made an album of that kind of thing, which I haven't heard.

He also composed the opening theme to a BBC arts program - i forget the name... and got a royalty each time it was played...

As for nature sounds the BBC achieve is online...  https://sound-effects.bbcrewind.co.uk/

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Quote from: JLIAT on June 26, 2021, 05:38:48 PM

He also composed the opening theme to a BBC arts program - i forget the name... and got a royalty each time it was played...


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Quote from: JLIAT on June 26, 2021, 01:07:48 PM
A few years ago I revisited the  Musée de l'Orangerie - Claude Monet's Water Lilies - apart from the Japanese tourists taking 'selfies' in front of the paintings (despite no photograph signs) they had 'background music' playing. Rather poor quality IMO, and not wanted. I've also noticed some cathedrals now play background organ and singing...Ugh! though a recent visit to Coventry cathedral there was a 'real' organist playing...

I also made what I called ambient sounds, e.g. background of an imagined estuary with water flowing and sea birds, another of a summer garden in the rain...etc.  as well as the less ambient 'WAR' and 'ATOMIC BOMB tests' pieces.

Eno complained at the audience in a performance of Music for Airports that they were listening to the music...? I've also used his generative system many years ago but found it fairly derivative of those sounds for meditation CDs you find in shops selling magic crystals etc. Kind of the audio equivalent of the Mandelbrot set pictures – initially 'interesting' but soon becomes cliched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music


I much prefer his work with Fripp – No pussyfooting... (could a mainstream band now release a track called "Swastika Girls"... )

I think his notion of generative msuic is one of his most interesting concepts.  Even though he experimented with tapes, it always makes me think of wind chimes.

I came across this site/presentation about generative music a few years ago that some might find interesting (it mentions Eno there too): https://teropa.info/loop/#/title

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today its easy to make endless ambient sounds on a smartphone, but at that time it was quite clunky and expensive gear chained up to create those deep resonances...

this mini-docu about apollo album is cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTxkLGBkcO0

my mind exploded when i was 16 and heard airports for the 1st time (amidst cryptic slaughter, misfits, etc) and specially when i read this part:
"Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting."
i felt like understanding it immediately.... and for a while anything "disturbing" my reception of floating empty tones (like... instruments, beats...) was really annoying haha