NOISE IS DEAD...?

[Lazrs3]

I was at University and flicked through the Wire magazine in the library which is has been vocal about noise being 'dead' and for a while they have been pushing a Noise with Beats agenda. But I noticed Wire has become less available in recent years, it's harder to find and you have to go to WH Smiths to look at it. A while ago they would have features on Ramleh, Maja Ratkje, Whitehouse, Prurient and others. It seems that in the latest issue they are trying to claw back their lost credibility with a Birds of Delay article whilst in another review a writer slags of Pruriets alleged 'Goth posturing'. They started the noise is dead ball rolling in one of their end of year reviews a few years back. So glad there's other magazines now as it's become pointless.

The whole 'Noise is Dead' mentality is so dumb, as long as people make stuff, people buy stuff and sounds evolve and develop, it isn't dead. Some of the stuff I reviewed for Heathen Harvest was far from dead. Wolf Eyes are good and all, I saw them once and a few solo shows by members but they are one band among many and not the first in their genre either, good luck in pastures new.

Why did Troniks forum shut down?

[tinnitustimulus]

Why did Troniks forum shut down?

Greh humored to put it back up for a day, but I think his intentions were as serious as Olson's.

Olson's comments are cheap heat for certain.

[Cementimental]

in the library which is has been vocal about noise being 'dead'

Well they always tell you to "Shhh" in libraries to be fair

[Jordan]

coming from an entry-level band, that's not saying much. besides they're probably just saying this because they lost their equipment in a house fire. sour grapes.

Olzone has been doing stuff since the early nineties apart from Wolf Eyes.

Olson goofs around a lot. I imagine this interview was conducted in person, because in person his goofy /funny talkisn't so pronounced, but he was led on by the interviewer, and still was pretty goofy. I've talked to him in person many times, and even since he's been straight edge (although I saw a picture that appeared to show him smoking recently, he didn't smoke this summer) he goofs around.

I don't know why people took that so seriously. If you've taken even a perfunctory glance at his other interviews, it should be quite obvious.

Trip Metal?

(Pretty much impossible to edit anything on my phone. Sorry if there are more mistakes, I've been ripping my hair out correcting the last three.)

[Jordan]

from David Novak's Japanoise

THIS. And many other quotes in that book.

It's good that the hipsters are gone. Maybe not for business, but at least we can get "back to business".

Noise is dead. It's died many times. Long live noise.

[tinnitustimulus]

I don't know why people took that so seriously. If you've taken even a perfunctory glance at his other interviews, it should be quite obvious.

This board made up of a lot of Europeans who are not familiar with Olson personally and wouldn't try to know him anyways. There is a lot of resonation with the times with his statement with the New Harsh Noise thread earlier this year, and I think some people have been tired of Wolf Eyes since 2004. Frankly, I would rather see people over react about the whole thing and try to prove him wrong then explain his joker mentality. Not that people around here like a good joke anyways.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

Frankly, I would rather see people over react about the whole thing and try to prove him wrong then explain his joker mentality. Not that people around here like a good joke anyways.

Maybe earlier he should prove why 'NOISE IS OVER"?

[tinnitustimulus]

Frankly, I would rather see people over react about the whole thing and try to prove him wrong then explain his joker mentality. Not that people around here like a good joke anyways.

Maybe earlier he should prove why 'NOISE IS OVER"?

Who? Olson? nobody needs to prove anything but it's nice to see some people around get huffy and go "noise never died, wtf?" as someone who still plays the basements of America but playing to more experimental jazz, techno, synth and indescribable acts than real harsh noise most of the time. Not that I mind that.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

Frankly, I would rather see people over react about the whole thing and try to prove him wrong then explain his joker mentality. Not that people around here like a good joke anyways.

Maybe earlier he should prove why 'NOISE IS OVER"?

Who? Olson? nobody needs to prove anything but it's nice to see some people around get huffy and go "noise never died, wtf?" as someone who still plays the basements of America but playing to more experimental jazz, techno, synth and indescribable acts than real harsh noise most of the time. Not that I mind that.

Olson as an American Dream Star - did you want to say that? Somebody has to prove somethiing but he mustn't that...  Well, everyone has got its god what they deserve.

[tinnitustimulus]

Frankly, I would rather see people over react about the whole thing and try to prove him wrong then explain his joker mentality. Not that people around here like a good joke anyways.

Maybe earlier he should prove why 'NOISE IS OVER"?

Who? Olson? nobody needs to prove anything but it's nice to see some people around get huffy and go "noise never died, wtf?" as someone who still plays the basements of America but playing to more experimental jazz, techno, synth and indescribable acts than real harsh noise most of the time. Not that I mind that.

Olson as an American Dream Star - did you want to say that? Somebody has to prove somethiing but he mustn't that...  Well, everyone has got its god what they deserve.

Well Mr Olson said it was dead, so I guess he was expecting everyone to sell their DOD Death Metals and buy tickets to the next Wolf Eyes stadium event where Rush opens for them. Oh well, better tell him he's wrong cause I'm sure he is listening.

I don't know about you, but I don't seek proof from what I already see is trying to fuck with you. And Olson isn't as much of a god to me as he is a fucker (just try to read his article in As Loud As Possible, ugh.) However, these discussions this has caused have been quite good, you have to admit. Some tough bro posturing in this thread in particular but also very insightful points.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

Oh well, better tell him he's wrong cause I'm sure he is listening.

OK, we are fucking him and he is fucking us. So, maybe you will tell me why NOISE IS OVER?

[Lazrs3]

in the library which is has been vocal about noise being 'dead'

Well they always tell you to "Shhh" in libraries to be fair

OOh, I forgot about that, there's me throwing off sharp high frequencies and shouting about my pubes being on fire in the silent study area, I don't see why you're laughing at me, THEY BANNED ME FOR TWO WEEKS!!!!!!! Here's to online study.

I wanna do some tough Bro posturing too!

How do you do it?

[tinnitustimulus]

Oh well, better tell him he's wrong cause I'm sure he is listening.

OK, we are fucking him and he is fucking us. So, maybe you will tell me why NOISE IS OVER?

A lot of people started at the same time and are now burned out from producing it at least, like silvum, though he was not someone who made noise. nothing that significant or special that's going on, it's basically like 1985 with all the first generation Industrial bands (eg SPK's Gold and Poison, Nocturnal Emissions, uncommunity to mccarthey to Stereolab) and what I quoted from Japanoise. The only difference was that this was a US scene that came together at one central point thanks to the internet (Which created things like these msg boards, email lists, No Fun Fest etc). Before the internet, its hard for me to assume what went on, but it had an elusiveness that is not there anymore and required more dedication to know what's going on. Maybe No Fun Fest is over, but now there is a bunch of noise fests happening in the US all over the place, all year round, but it is uncentralized. If had the time and money to attend all of these damn things, I'd probably see more people into noise then ever, even if there isn't a write up of the "headliners" in the Wire. This could be part of the millions of one way conversations he was talking about.

It is also pretty ridiculous to think "hippie" noise is dead, Smegma was on the other side of that Non 7" after all, and neither have ceased operations after all these years. The funny thing to me is that the first time I saw Nyodene D I was in Voice of the Valley, probably one of the more "hippier" of the fests here despite having some other decent pe acts like New Pledgemaster, etc. So much for an abortion.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

So, for you, as I understood well, the main reason of NOISE IS OVER is an uncentralized cirle of noise artists?

[tinnitustimulus]

Yeah finding NEW stuff that sticks out to me is not as easy either, though also find plenty of noise I used to listen to in the 00s to be not as good as I remembered it to be. I'm more excited about anything released before 1985 for most genres of music now, but I also see that as just getting older, personally. By a certain point you know what you want and you go towards that direction, and find it harder to look elsewhere.

This year it's pretty hard for me to make top ten album list, even more so than last year, but hey at least there is a list. The Skeleton Dust Contemporary Harsh Noise series come to mind, Good Area's Dilettante Cassette and this new Vat tape I'm playing and Gene Pick. There certainly isn't a lack of talent but maybe a daunting amount of it, and names I used to follow now play the Boiler Room. Well I still enjoy Container, though maybe that would be too happy for the people around here.

Just for the person asking me why I think NOISE IS DEAD, this year is also the first year I did not self release anything, my tapes put out by 4 different labels and probably played more shows this year than ever, sometimes with enthusiastic audience interactions that have knocked the gear out my table despite people holding it down. For my situation right now, to think noise is dead is just preposterous. Noise is dead to me when I'm dead.