Academics on noise

Started by ARKHE, June 09, 2010, 12:36:45 PM

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ARKHE

Picked up "Noise / Music: A History" by Paul Hegarty the other day at the university library. Don't know exactly what to expect from it, though I'm sure it will be interesting... The question is, what has the scholarly output focussing on noise looked like, over the years? Not writings from within the scene so to speak, but academics with though perhaps not an outsider perspective, at least claims of scientific objectivity & with intended readers outside of the whole culture.

From what disciplines (Hegarty from visual culture, have read article on HNW from the same aspect - have any musicologists bothered?)? To what avail? Anything decently written that has actually had any relevance for those "in the know"? Or has it all been intellectual wankery trying to dissect something undissectable?

If this has already been discussed, please refer to that thread...

FreakAnimalFinland

what has it looked like? Well, shortly: poor. Very very poor.
Hegartys book is ok, if you're happy with whatever writing about noise. But... afterall, it's just as pure garbage as garbage can be.
It's more about him, than about noise or the artists. And this feels like the common problem. To be author of noise journalism, seems to focus on experience & theories of the one who writes. And not necessarily so much about the artists and their work.

I'd hope there would be the "oral history of noise" type of thing. Which allows the artists and those actually involved, to talk. With little if any "outsider expert" involvement.

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Ritual

There is a big difference between journalism and academic analysis. Academic analysis more or less implies "outsider expert" involvement, as that's what it's all about. You study something and create systems, models or theories "explaining" that which you've studied. In some disciplines this makes total sense, like in physics. You study mechanisms of nature and create models predicting and describing what you observe. In other disciplines this process may not be as evidently meaningful...

A journalist can very well write the "oral history of noise", simply by letting artists and those involved do all the talking. An academic would need to make him/herself the "interpreter" and "expert" of noise culture, otherwise it would not be an academic work.

FreakAnimalFinland

Yes, and that is something why I have the problem.. or lets say dis-interest for the academic approach on noise.

To reply further. I think the problem of this type of academic writing is, just as was mentioned:  trying to dissect something undissectable. Simple noise acts blasting sound they like, put into cultural context, surrounded by theories what has no other purpose than justification to educated man why someone would do this. While reasons of person who actually do and listen it, most often would be as blatantly obvious as enjoyment of certain sound and aesthetic beauty (even if grotesque).  

Be it Hegarty or even more recent Microbionic book... it seems to spend much of its time of theories of justifying something that seems more obvious.  The language of most of the academic sound books seems in my eyes jargon which you can't really associate unless you really are.. ehm.. "them".
Lets say, for example Christof Migone "sound Voice Perform" book. Idea of books about specific artists, exposing their creative multimedia works in form of printed matter, photo evidence and accompanied CD is great. But when you enter the interview section of book and it is in style of "How should the uninitiaed, the neophyte, approach complex, formally innovative radio work like yours? How is one to make sense of it, or related to it? Initially it seems alienating, off-putting, very difficult, very resistant to interpretation?"
You may have to read the question twice or more, to really see what the fuck did he just ask? And when you expand such writing into length of book, you wonder who is the target audience? Why was it made? Does it tell anything... real? You try to digest the information of Francisco Lopez chapter of Microbionic. It's ok, it's interesting... But come on! :D

I do seriously recommend reading all these books, though. It gives quite nice perspective about what one can value and what not. And that there isn't any reason to feel any way inferior with some ltd 50 raw noise tape done by youngsters, if alternative is the... ehm.. "real artist"  and his ehm.. "educated audience" and the academics who will do their best to give material meaning what perhaps wasn't even looked for.

So I could conclude, what I have said many times: fuck outsider journalism, it doesn't really offer much. In context of noise, pe and industrial, I feel there is need of insider journalism. Documentation, opportunities for artists to expand their concepts, etc.
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Andrew McIntosh

For myself, I wouldn't recommend the book to anyone. At the end of the day it's just outright boring.

I would add that I think there is an attraction to Noise for some academic types, as it has an arty sort of background in some ways (Throbbing Gristle, mainly) and is easy for anyone to attach their own personal twist on things to. Use the right language and instant phd essay.

Isn't William Bennet on the university lecture circuit now?
Shikata ga nai.

ARKHE

QuoteI think there is an attraction to Noise for some academic types, as it has an arty sort of background in some ways (Throbbing Gristle, mainly) and is easy for anyone to attach their own personal twist on things to

even more so through all them lovely philosophers & respected artists; Derrida, Cage, Adorno, Russolo, Attali, Lyotard, postmodernism/structuralism you know, culture industry, everything, which can easily be applied on any given harsh noise c20. seems like there would be more to benefit for a scholar to dig out from noise than common popular music (hiphop, metal - even though black metal has become a new love child for certain academics - etc).

it's interesting and all, as Mikko said, to give certain perspectives, and after all, people at the institutions of cultural studies with decent taste in music has to make a living too, somehow. will be interesting to see how Hegarty manages to connect YES (!!!!) to noise... but after all, books like these say very little of the actual nature of the music and the scene for those involved. I don't think Fenriz would ever have given a fuck about the "anti-reflexive reflexivity" of his youth as detailed by Sociologist Keith Kahn-Harris.

wasn't there a thread on noisefanatics forum about an Encyclopedia of Noise & Industrial or sth? I've seen references to it in the promotion of some release recently, can't remember which though. was that ever published as a book, or is it still in the process of creation?

Brad

Quote from: pestdemon on June 09, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
wasn't there a thread on noisefanatics forum about an Encyclopedia of Noise & Industrial or sth? I've seen references to it in the promotion of some release recently, can't remember which though. was that ever published as a book, or is it still in the process of creation?

Encyclopaedia of Industrial Music by Rafal Kochan.  Volume I (entries A to C) is published now.  I should be getting it in the mail very soon.

Mattias G

I bought "Noise / Music: A History" by Paul Hegarty a year ago or something and have tried a few times to read but find it very boring and the language very hard to understand, if it was in Swedish maybe it would be easier but i doubt it. I read allot of books/magazines in English and that is no problem but with this book i just zoon in to other things. Maybe it´s the academic thing i can´t get.

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Brad on June 09, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
Encyclopaedia of Industrial Music by Rafal Kochan.  Volume I (entries A to C) is published now.  I should be getting it in the mail very soon.

This isn't "academic" in any way. It's info book of industrial-noise. English version professionally printed, A4 size, paperback style. Each artists/band has photo + description of project followed by discography. Comes with 2 pro-CDR's with bands. I will have more copies for sale soon. First batch I got went very quick. Especially for those who are annoyed to go through mailorderlists without knowing anything about band, these can be useful. Just quick browse to band name and reading details might help to decide if its something you want.

In Finnish language there are few books worth of reading... "Dimensio 30" collects the years 1972-2002 of Dimensio art group, which at largest was loose collective of 70 people. Electro-acoustic, avantgarde, painting, sculpture whatever. Book is in Finnish and comes with CD. There is also old LP with electro-acosutci works of Dimensio artists. I guess pretty much not so much connected to "underground noise" of Finland, but could be recommended to Finns to see some perspective what has happened here decades ago, especially could be nice reminder of possibilities of how to connect audioworks to visual/physical/etc.
Dimensio group was spawned by the rising popularity of kinetic art also in Finland, and then combinations to electronic programmed sound & experiments followed. Roots already in contructivism (which was Dimensio's biggest influence along with French Groupe De Recherche D'Art Visuel). Not sure if book is anymore available? Came out 10 years ago. For finns, maybe visit to library is recommended. Foreigners probably find equally interesting domestic versions of the group. French Groupe De Recherche D'Art Visuel came about decade before Dimensio. Their ideas about abandoning individual artist, for sake of bigger vision build by anonumous artists is sometimes quite appealing - and also used within noise. Destruction of ego worship, in favor of presented ideas.

Other finnish book is recent Extreme minuuksien historia, which is discussed in literature/art section.
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heretogo

In Finnish, there are also the books of Petri Kuljuntausta (also a composer). More about academic electronic music than noise but might be of interest to some of you.

ON/OFF - Eetteriäänistä sähkömusiikkiin (2002)
Äänen eXtreme (2006)
First wave : a microhistory of early Finnish electronic music (2008) (in English)

I only have the first one (something like 800 pages...) and although I've had it on the shelf for years I haven't gotten around to actually reading it... hah. Maybe influenced by the fact that I've seen the guy performing live several times and always left the venue disappointed in one way or another.

Strömkarlen

Mr. Pest in Swedish I would go for the Fylkingen book. http://www.ejeby.se/?Input2=teddy+hult#newprodukt%23produkt%23248%231
See bottom for a English resume. In English there is SoundArt : Swedish contemporary sound artists by Teddy Hultberg and Literally speaking : sound poetry & text-sound composition by Teddy Hultberg 
http://www.ejeby.se/?Input2=teddy+hult#newprodukt%23produkt%23431%231 Literally Speaking is on sale for 6 EUROs.

I'm having a bit of hard time with Teddy Hultberg it is not bad but his style of writing is sort of round and about.

To summon up the whole Swedish Text-Sound scene here is a short article with references. http://www.bergmark.org/textsound.html

There have talks about a Swedish industrial book for years. The owner of Vertigo Förlag (publisher of the Swedish translations of de Sade, Dennis Cooper etc) have a background in the early Swedish industrial scene with his Psychopathia Records wants to publish or least wanted to publish a book about it. Would it be inside or outside is hard to tell but I hope it will be released some day.


dddonkey

we all can read big books about noise, industrial, actionism, performance, mass murders, psychiatric studies etc, but they never will reply, how to get from old cheap distortion the decent noiz you really like and why you hell like such rotten sound. I don't think Derrida will really help me to get people high on stage.