Pornography Appreciation / Sexual curiousities / etc topic

[Peterson]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/05/transgender-kids-children-change-sex-families

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jazz-jennings-lands-tlc-docuseries-780890

I know it's probably not PC to say this, but if body-dismorphic disorder  is listed in the DSM-IV, why can't variations on transgender/transvestite behavior be considered also? I'm not trying to spew hate towards TS and TV community, I've got no qualms with that in and of itself,  but it's a far cry from many people's definitions of "normal." Maybe that's what attracts some men, eh? Anyway, it's only when they try to sell some kind of  rhetoric that I get turned off (hehe). Tons of people go through their lives, successful and unsuccessful, with other  conditions that complicate life equally. Say, severe schizoid and schizoaffective disorders, for example. Why does anything different have to be absorbed into the rubric of "normal?"

[eyestrain]

Why does anything different have to be absorbed into the rubric of "normal?"

Well put!! I've been racking my brain with a similar thought for the last few weeks after spending a little too much time back in an urban setting.

[Andrew McIntosh]

I think transsexuality has been classified as a mental disorder in the past (if the great documentary "Glen Or Glenda" is anything to go by) but if it is it's certainly one of the most harmless. I'd say, rather than seeing it as normal/not-normal, it's a case of common/not-common.

Edit - which I suppose is saying much the same thing, now that I think about it.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Why does anything different have to be absorbed into the rubric of "normal?"

Well put!! I've been racking my brain with a similar thought for the last few weeks after spending a little too much time back in an urban setting.

Haha! Phenomena described in Finland as visiting Green-Red Bubble?
One should never underestimate power of language. There is constantly ongoing process of changing meanings of words.
If "normal" could perhaps most accurately mean for example conforming to the standard or the common type, I would guess that in case of human sexuality, modern normal means merely that "it exists". Division of normal and abnormal perhaps only is done in terms of is something harmfull or not.

Very same logic has defended pedos. It exists as part of human sexuality. Many people don't feel anxiety or guilt. Many people don't act out their tastes in harmful/abusive ways. Some doctors have concluded that very same arguments that let homosexuality out from "mental disorder" category, applies to pedos and many others as well.

However, I'd assume that its very hard to find people who would be in agreement that this is any way would be conforming to the standard...? Same for transkids or half-man-half-mylittlepony folks. Abnormal, by definition.

[Andrew McIntosh]

One should never underestimate power of language. There is constantly ongoing process of changing meanings of words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity

Michael Warner popularized the term in 1991,[2] in one of the first major works of queer theory. The concept's roots are in Gayle Rubin's notion of the "sex/gender system" and Adrienne Rich's notion of compulsory heterosexuality.[3]

"We are normal and we want our freedom!"

[eyestrain]

"Green-Red Bubble"? Please elaborate, hehe.

I've become largely ambivalent to these kinda politics, which don't really concern me anyway, after a surreal experience about 8 years ago.

Spent a small period with my girlfriend at the time on a farm in Tennessee. Was there to learn the ins-and-outs of fermentating basically everything.

Ends up the farm is owned by a Hollywood profiteer, gay himself, and is located near a large queer commune... You spend most of your time trying to figure out who is actually living as their born gender. The one's behaving the stereotype of sexist males were always former-women. Interesting. Otherwise, it was the most deceitful and drama-laden crowd I've ever known.

Anyway, aside from the awkward up-downs when we arrived, the first thing I took note of was a dry-erase board with the currently approved terms to describe whatever gender/sexual abnormality one adheres to written on it. What was oddest about that, was that the terms were changing every few days; this done with total seriousness. The one suicidal straight fella (who was there on the WWOOF program) and the guinea-fowl were my best friends that month, needless to say!

[FreakAnimalFinland]

"Green-Red Bubble"? Please elaborate, hehe.

In big cities, in Finland most of all certain areas of Helsinki, where lots of journalists, cultural people and "enlightened" people live, is often these days called "Green-Red Bubble". It's sort of under-the-dome environment, where it seems like everybody votes for gay president candidate of green party and everybody stands or at least leans toward left. Every time when election day hits in, media and the people of this bubble, are utterly horrified how rest of the country acts. Not everybody is pro-same sex marriage. Populist anti-immigrant profiling party is 2nd biggest party of country while "it has seemed to decrease popularity".
People may be concerned about ideas such as "free public transportation" what is obviously part of human rights, while rest of the country is concerned about whether there is any kind of infrastructure left in few years. etc etc.

Statistic show that values and lifestyle of the bubble is getting further and further away from rest of county. It creates cases where one is utterly amazed why everybody isn't pro-transgender-free-chest-surgery but also can't see any reason why would anyone own gun.

So imagine situation when huge amount of regular media appears for rest as indoctrination directed to people outside bubble. Where abnormalities are forced normal etc.



Edit: Of course situation may be slightly confusing to those used to USA politics. Over here, lots of parties (including Leftist union and Green party who sit in parliament). There was female president already. Former queer activist who had Che Quevara photo in her wall of heroes in office, hehe... Polarization is quite strong. Depending who you ask, country is either ruined by clueless bigots and right wing extremists or country is ruined by exact opposite of that.

[eyestrain]

Okay, kinda what I imagined! But elaborated quite well!

This is precisely what one experiences in, say, Pittsburgh, which is where I referenced two posts back. It's a total headfuck to see that this kinda perspective is widely shared in a large section of urban demographics. I thought it was just like a Vice News and The Guardian selling point, but it's more than that.

For someone in these areas, it makes sense that it's a common perspective, I guess. At face value, it's the least offensive point of view.

The shock for me might come from now living in a region that still has a big number of Klansmen, MCs and massive factory-working population that do shoot-to-kill and hold onto a lot of opinions their relatives did.

It's always interesting to hear from the missus, who just recently began teaching elementary after finishing graduate school, on these topics. Seems like lots of parents, teachers and very young kids are becoming deeply ingrained in these perspectives. But okay I'll stop while I'm ahead...

[Neons Fanzine]

I have some pictures that I took of my porn mags from the 70s-80s, French, German, Japanese, US... Most of them are extreme porn
But they are too big to be posted here, so I'll put some links, and there are a lot more on the tumblr (notably early 1900 french porn) http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/archive
I will update it with some more, cause I have a big collection of freaky shit that I had nearly for free when a shop closed, with a bunch of VHS as well

Horg Mag (German, 197?): piss in mout, submission, bondage, and some ridiculous ads for sexual partners
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/119104654235/horg-magazine-german-year

Venus Insolite Contact (french, 197?). Mostly ads for weirdos to meet other weirdos
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/119104189675/venus-insolite-contact-french-porn-magazine

Page on Hermaphrodism from Club Bizar (1978)
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/109706479500

Club Bizar (French, 1978). Extreme porn rag. Scat, Pregnant, Enema, humiliation, piss, exhibition, weirdos...
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/119105181080/club-bizar-magazine-french-1978

Japan Bondage (Year ??). Bondage, humiliation. Two parts
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/119105637365/japan-bondage-part1-year
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/119105444915/japan-bondage-mag-part-2-japan-year

Megeres Apprivoisées (French, 197?) redneck porn. Two parts
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/109706384085/from-megeres-apprivoisees-year-country
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/109705655790/from-megeres-apprivoisees-year-country

SM MS (German, 198?) humiliation, fetichism, porn, freaky stuff for weirdos and the worst cover ever, really brutal
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/109848986800/i-guess-its-the-worst-cover-in-my-porn-mag

Punky Sex Party (French, 1986)
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/119104329780/punky-sex-party-french-magazine-1988

[FreakAnimalFinland]

SM MS (German, 198?) humiliation, fetichism, porn, freaky stuff for weirdos and the worst cover ever, really brutal
http://raphgordon.tumblr.com/post/109848986800/i-guess-its-the-worst-cover-in-my-porn-mag

I got several of these. Back in the day, I bought pallet full of magazines from one Dutch dealer who quit selling magazines. I kept one of each for myself and sold rest to various stores in Finland. Often magazines have too much useless ads/classified etc, and not that much of good content, but there are some. I recall one Clinic Of Torture cover was taken from one issue of this magazine.

[Neons Fanzine]

You know sometimes there are some porn mags with nearly all the content made of ads from amateur made to find sex buddies, and some are hilarious
I will upload a big zine with people dressed as babies in cradles with a dominatrix, or a guy sucking his own dick. I think it's the best way to find a lady ha ha

I dont know much about SM MS, but I took this one and saw the cover and was like WOW WTF?
But the content is not that hardcore, except a few pics

[Euro Trash Bazooka]

Hahaha, "Mégères Apprivoisées", hyper drôle.

[tiny_tove]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/woman-birmingham-jailed-noisy-sex

[bitewerksMTB]

http://penguinrandomhouse.ca/hazlitt/longreads/godfather-gonzo-porn

[tiny_tove]

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/jun/25/phone-sex-workers-darkest-dirtiest-fantasies-pictures-photography