Industrial non-musical references: What did you get?

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, June 22, 2015, 11:12:21 AM

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FreakAnimalFinland

Industrial/noise often includes plenty of content one could say as "cultural references". While some reject any non-musical content as irrelevant. At best, merely aesthetic, for some, it often is referencepoints for direction.

I doubt that so much is being learned from single release or interview or such. In old industrial interviews etc, I recall there was often things like recommended reading. Obscure books what could be worth of interest, etc.

I could say that without GENOCIDE ORGAN, would I have never investigated black and tans, even on surface level. Or would I be familiar with Seven Pillars Of Wisdom or even Arabian Lawrence movie, without CON-DOM's input? Would I have come across Butoh dance without it's cross-over to Japanese noise?

It would be possible some people are reminded of Turner Diaries by ORGANIZED RESISTANCE. Informed of darker side of porno chic legend Linda Lovelace by WHITEHOUSE. Interest to various serial killers awakened by songs they hear. What did Peter Sutcliffe do exactly? Or who's this Bakunin MILITIA deals in their lyrics?

It's possible that things such as knowing Linkola outside Finland and Sweden may be thanks to articles posted by industrial musicians. How many reached occult literature of fringe religious movements through references in music?

It may be hard to say what exactly is thanks to musical influence, and which is something you simply are automatically drawn to, interested, and bound to see regardless of records or bands you listen. I'm sure some would go far enough to claim that being influenced by music is foolish, and weak, but I would wonder what would be point of spreading ideas, unless one believes it may grow like vital seeds (or spread like plague)? I certainly believe, any art includes spirit, and regardless of intention, it can result interesting things.

Many times, people who have been long involved, things operate also as reference to past. Experiences one has gone through and things you know very well. Hearing samples of influential speakers/movies/etc. Seeing graphics you immediately connect to something. It's not that one would have to be original and offer only new things. Cult of Pekka Siitoin? It may appear trite and cliche already years ago, but for genuine fanatics, source is endless...

I have seen one artist conclude that in industrial movement, everybody listens the same and reads the same books and watches the same movies etc. I wonder does it make one more "unique" to read SOTOS or KAFKA?! I don't see any problem that one would put energy to track down Waterpower, Slave Sex vhs's or even Texas Chainsaw Massacre, just because it's been matter of discussion. Perhaps totally opposite!

It may be odd question, but indeed: Industrial non-musical references: What did you get / gain from them?
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Andrew McIntosh

Have to admit this question's never really occurred to me before. I came to Noise later in my life (mid Thirties) and some of the references that I found I already knew about. With me it's often the case that I'm more interested in the ideas and notions before getting into any aesthetic vision of them. Individual things - Black and Tans, Bakunin, Lawrence of Arabia I had either at least heard about or already knew about (especially Bakunin). Linda Lovelace I knew about because I was and am a smut pig. Peter Sutcliffe I had heard about somewhere along the line. The Turner Diaries I knew about through politics. Other things like for example Sotos, I found about independently. I know these are only examples but there wasn't much that the genre actually introduced me to when it comes to individuals and their achievements. I wasn't listening for things like that anyway, I was listening for very different things.

The one thing getting into PE/Industrial/etc. did for me was help me see things from a different perspective than the rather myopic black-and-white perspective I had at the time. In fact, my first exposure to the aesthetics and ideologies left me cold for a few years before I began to really listen and really understand.

I suppose I found out Japan had a pretty extensive bondage scene through the works of Merzbow. And my first exposure to butoh was certainly through Einstürzende Neubauten (as a friend of mine said while we were watching that video, "Industrial and butoh, they were made for each other!").
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tiny_tove

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Well... There are several influences/cultural references that I have been got to know thanks to projects.

Skipping completely the whole true crime/sk/ etc.

GO: Ton Ton Macoute was part of the inspiration board of one of my comics (http://www.sergiobonelli.it/scheda/4754/Il-potere-dei-Loa.html). I knew only a little about the Duvaliers' regime, but after that track I thought I had to get deeper into that.
SPK got me into psychological/psychatric/anti-psychiatric readings and their manifesto and quotes made me discover a whole new and unsafer world.
Con-Dom/Grey wolves made me discover Burroughs, which I already read but sounded like a confused junkie until I underestood there was more.
From Grey Wolves I discovered situationsm, lettrism and Ballard, who then became my favourite writer (and incidentally I exchanged some material when was still alive).
TG/Psychic Tv got me deeper into Manson, The Process, Body art (not tattoos, I mean aktionism), Crowley, etc.
Allerseelen: Junger and the work of Victor Schauberger (that inspired another comics of mine...)
Intrinsic action: leather culture/cruising
Ain Soph: Kremmerz, Evola, etc.
I could go on for ages....

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Dr Alex

I become obsessed with true crime with Slogun (and Church Of Misery) but before it I read some books and saw some movies about it.
With Xenophobic Ejaculation I start to dig a lot about KKK.
I worship horror movies before my school but with Ramirez and The Rita I discover giallo movies and I start to watch it more and more.
I discover Sotos with Whitehouse.
Can't remember what leads me to become obsessed with surgeries, hospitals, anatomy and similar...

Peterson

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Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 23, 2015, 12:19:53 AM
True crime, horror films (interest from as early as I can remember), & pornography all started before I discovered industrial music.  I was floored that there were other people that were influenced by the same stuff.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 22, 2015, 11:45:19 AM
Linda Lovelace I knew about because I was and am a smut pig. Peter Sutcliffe I had heard about somewhere along the line. The Turner Diaries I knew about through politics.

It was mostly the reverse for me, as well. As a young kid, I was pretty shocked there were other people out there as obsessed with the same things to the same degrees. I specifically tried to find the infamous Linda Lovelace loops around 15, and came upon Whitehouse "Twice Is Not Enough" from search results on those subjects. I guess I did find Sotos through them, though, which was another weird and uncomfortable surprise/validation. I was just a little fucked up from a young age, and seemed to find the closest thing to "fitting in" with various kinds of extreme music that suited my interests and attitude. I suppose The Rita is probably responsible for my small Giallo collection, I hadn't thought of it as it's own style, before. Bitewerks tends to suggest a lot of good movies, too.  I guess Mikko's term "Antisocial Realism" sums up a lot that I could only ramble about, as well.

ARKHE

SHIFT - Unable to abide the silence of the world CD, which led me to discover the amazing Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy (right before he became a household name via The Road). Probably more through personal recommendation rather than solely through the title and liner-notes of the album. It's still one of the most harrowingly violent and beautiful texts I've read, even though it was a couple of years since I read it.

cantle

Always been intrinsically linked for me- if anything my cultural interests were there before noise and probably led me to it in my late teens....

As an aisde due to academic studies I've a ton of material on the Black and Tans if anyone is interested.

dubduboverlord

Quote from: tiny_tove on June 22, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
TG/Psychic Tv got me deeper into Manson, The Process, Body art (not tattoos, I mean aktionism), Crowley, etc.
Same here. When I started delving into this stuff (as well as Hafler Trio, Current 93, Coil, etc.) in the 1980s, the images and ideologies referenced by these projects struck me as immensely sinister. Legitimately terrified, but intrigued by the sounds alone at the very least, I spent a good bit of time trying to sort out context, perspective, what was endorsement and what was critique. Learned a few things along the way, including the value of interrogating my own emotional reactions.

TS

Quote from: ARKHE on June 23, 2015, 02:09:24 PM
SHIFT - Unable to abide the silence of the world CD, which led me to discover the amazing Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy (right before he became a household name via The Road). Probably more through personal recommendation rather than solely through the title and liner-notes of the album. It's still one of the most harrowingly violent and beautiful texts I've read, even though it was a couple of years since I read it.

Started reading this a couple of days ago. Approaching the halfway point and loving it so far.
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upturnedeye

Not strictly industrial and not necessarily always originating in the music, but, when done well, non-musical references/influences enrich music in such a way that both become elevated for me.

E.g.

Jean Genet - Death in June/Ramleh (I just happened to be reading Funeral Rites as I was listening to "Hole in the Heart" that all the track titles came from one poem in the book)

Maldoror/Comte de Leautreamont - Current 93

Thomas Ligotti - Current 93

Georges Bataille - Deathspell Omega

Peter Sotos - Whitehouse

THE RITA HN

I watched over my shoulder ALOT of tranny pornography making vhs dubs for Roemer / Macro during the 90s trade era.  It must have had some effect in regards to my eventual / current fascination for girls like Birdmountain, Iris Indigo, Kimber James, etc.

VIRRASH

I find Le Joyaux de la Princesse an interesting project for a perspective that I would not have easily been exposed to - regarding particular activities that took place during WWII, i.e die weisse rose, etc.


CMSFoundation

Oh, plenty.

From Prurient, Rumi's poetry.

From Idea Fire Company's Postcards, the novels of Raymond Roussel, especially "Impressions of Africa."

From Nurse with Wound and Current 93 and all that lot, I read Lautremont's "Maldoror."

From The Rita, I developed a greater appreciation for (and patience to explore) the works of Ad Reinhardt.

From Ashtray Navigations (and specifically, the images in Phil's paper catalogs for Betley Welcomes Careful Drivers), I was alerted to Dusan Makavejev, specifically "Sweet Movie." Also, Indian playback singer Lata Mangeshkar (from the track title "Lata Mangeshkar in Heaven").

A Thirdogan track asked, "Do You Know GLYNIS BARBER?" And I didn't, but I do now.

Bleak Existence

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The Rita/BT.HN. - Giallo & Italian neorealism

icepick method

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Most of my "culture" came from comic books.  Seeing an ad for a Fantagraphics catalog from the back of an issue of The Maxx in the early 90's which had all the Re/Search books listed along with Rapid Eye collections and beat artists, tiki shit, ralph steadman, etc. kinda cracked subversive culture wide open for me. Not that i understood most of it, "why are they injecting menstrual blood into eggs and licking it off the floor?!", or Picking up Laibach's M.B. December 21, 1984 album and hating it because i didn't understand it. I knew of trevor brown's art from Juxtapoz, head shops, and comic book stores long before i traced him back to industrial zines, jap noise, and Whitehouse.

Knew about tattoo culture and B&W photography from a young age from my parents, spaulding&rogers catalogs, Manray, Mapplethorpe artbooks.

It's hard to say where i first heard about Kafka, he's like Burroughs, one of those cultural icons that everyone appropriates at some point.
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