Extreme of the Extreme?

Started by AMRadioWaveMessage, February 25, 2016, 12:24:13 AM

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GEWALTMONOPOL

If someone's only desire is to make shocking music they will most likely fail.
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collapsedhole

VIODRE

back in the 90s J.Vibg jumped off the roof of an NYC building while playing with THE HATERS.... i don't know how high up it was but roof-tops are generally not low....

also when Vibg toured w/ EUGENICS COUNCIL a mans hand was nearly completely severed off via swinging around a circular saw in Texas... thats pretty extreme.

DEADLY ORIFICE nude, covered in shit, slicing his face with razor blades, fucked up on many drugs.... i also remember he had a project where he and some girl(friend?) beat the living shit out of each other for a set thus inciting a huge brawl. the internet was in an uproar over what to do or say... no one really likes watching a girl get beat the fuck up for real in real life... but it was all on purpose... so... social commentary on domestic violence or just degenerate american scum youth having fun...

no one's mentione EYE & his bulldozer?

anything where peoples safety is disregarded seems pretty extreme to me. when people are actually physically injured it goes beyond shock value. noise needs more of this and less folded arms with noses in the air.

as far as purely sounds go, nothing seems extreme to me, though the best PE works at making you feel uncomfortable, sick, angry. TAINT did this to my 15 year old brain.

Andrew McIntosh

Quote from: collapsedhole on February 26, 2016, 04:11:33 PManything where peoples safety is disregarded seems pretty extreme to me. when people are actually physically injured it goes beyond shock value. noise needs more of this and less folded arms with noses in the air.

I'm okay with both, but for my part, yea, a bit more push and shove and a bit less chin stroking would be nice.
Shikata ga nai.

Deadpriest

Last Days Of Humanity 'Putrefaction In Progress' is probably the most overwhelming thing I've ever heard, a barrage of insane brutality dedicated to humiliated bodies/corpses.
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AMRadioWaveMessage


"anything where peoples safety is disregarded seems pretty extreme to me. when people are actually physically injured it goes beyond shock value. noise needs more of this and less folded arms with noses in the air."

Fuck yeah. It's shock/hate for the sake of shock/hate, rebel without a cause act. I think that trying too hard can comes off as disingenuous if someone does not believe in what they're doing, but just for the sake of exploring, can lead to new avenues. GG Allin was obscene for the sake of obscenity, and now has inspired/influenced many people in extreme genres.

Deadpriest

Quote from: AMRadioWaveMessage on February 26, 2016, 11:58:18 PM

"anything where peoples safety is disregarded seems pretty extreme to me. when people are actually physically injured it goes beyond shock value. noise needs more of this and less folded arms with noses in the air."

Fuck yeah. It's shock/hate for the sake of shock/hate, rebel without a cause act. I think that trying too hard can comes off as disingenuous if someone does not believe in what they're doing, but just for the sake of exploring, can lead to new avenues. GG Allin was obscene for the sake of obscenity, and now has inspired/influenced many people in extreme genres.

isn't shock/hate for the sake of shock/hate still self expression? If that's what you want to project it's still coming from an honest place.
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AMRadioWaveMessage

#21
Sorry If I did not explain properly, but I'm saying I'm in favor of rebel without a cause thinking, no thinking other than to rebel.
I was responding to claim of music intended to shock not working out well. I said it can work out well, and does, so long as the artist believes in what he is doing.

GG Allin was my example of it working well. About as genuine as it gets, if you ask me.

Deadpriest

Quote from: AMRadioWaveMessage on February 27, 2016, 01:22:10 AM
Sorry If I did not explain properly, but I'm saying I'm in favor of rebel without a cause thinking, no thinking other than to rebel.
I was responding to claim of music intended to shock not working out well. I said it can work out well, and does, so long as the artist believes in what he is doing.

GG Allin was my example of it working well. About as genuine as it gets, if you ask me.

Oh ha ha, yeah I didn't read that properly at all, I'd had an argument with someone about goregrind and that's kind of stuck with me a bit, sorry.

My example will be Autophagia!!
My book of poetry: http://www.histergrant.com/

martialgodmask

Quote from: AMRadioWaveMessage on February 27, 2016, 01:22:10 AM
Sorry If I did not explain properly, but I'm saying I'm in favor of rebel without a cause thinking, no thinking other than to rebel.
I was responding to claim of music intended to shock not working out well. I said it can work out well, and does, so long as the artist believes in what he is doing.

GG Allin was my example of it working well. About as genuine as it gets, if you ask me.

The distinction I think is whether it is contrived or organic. But you could argue that someone like GG wasn't a shock-tactician at all, certainly at times anyway. The term implies some kind of conscious production whereas with GG and some others the delivery of the message is normal and it is only the audience interpretation that turns it to shock.

Andrew McIntosh

There's an interview on YouTube with Earl and Dino where Dino says candidly that if there's a camera about GG played up to it. Earl didn't refute. And why not? GG had something to prove, and despite whatever pain he put himself and anyone else through, he had a message.
Shikata ga nai.

Bloated Slutbag

Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on February 25, 2016, 05:41:03 PMClaiming shock value is a common tool for certain people to try and discredit things they are offended by.

Yup!

To be perfectly honest, I've never really understood the term "shock value". I just automatically translate as "shit you'd probably dig".
Someone weaker than you should beat you and brag
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AMRadioWaveMessage

If for someone like GG it were normal, and he knowingly does even though people will be offended, would be shock tactician (i.e. he believes in it).
People are shocked no matter what. Can't help it. By even saying you like Noise, you shock so many people? Is that your intent? No. But, you are inevitably shocking to people, even and especially if you are just being yourself.

So, things catch on to trends. And suddenly things aren't shocking anymore because more people accept and tolerate behavior. By being honest and genuine, like in Noise or even GG case, things can still be shocking, even if you don't intend them to be. It's a matter of exploring new avenues, which is all shocking is, and why it changes from time to time. So, someone who makes shocking music for sole intent of that, is concerned for new avenues previously unexplored, and they don't necessarily have to be offended any social cause or demand, or lack thereof.

Shocking is purely experimental, whether something tries to be shocking, or not.

andy vomit

Quote from: Ashmonger on February 25, 2016, 09:54:03 PM
First thing that comes to mind concerning uneasy listening is Beltbuckle Discipline by Scatmother. Especially the samples.

i picked up this album based on this comment. 
quite unnerving, that sample.  but a truly great album nonetheless. 
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Quote from: andy vomit on March 07, 2016, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: Ashmonger on February 25, 2016, 09:54:03 PM
First thing that comes to mind concerning uneasy listening is Beltbuckle Discipline by Scatmother. Especially the samples.

i picked up this album based on this comment. 
quite unnerving, that sample.  but a truly great album nonetheless. 
Alright, I gotta listen to this.