Banned from discogs, again...

[Galactic Plagve]

Because I previously had these items for sale on Discogs I received an automated message this morning claiming the following items where no longer permitted from sale on the site:

https://www.discogs.com/Deathkey-Doctrine-Of-Intolerant-Hatred/master/299287

https://www.discogs.com/Grey-Wolves-Division/master/293334

My first inclination was that they are purging 'extremist' releases from their database on the back of the Orlando shooting; I have no way to verify this though.

Does Anyone know what prompted the bans this time?

[Goat93]

There is a Massive Ban going on, some NSBM Stuff is banned, too.

[Olegh Kolyada]

Streicher banned too.
https://www.discogs.com/Streicher-Annihilism/release/6528516

[Galactic Plagve]

There is a Massive Ban going on, some NSBM Stuff is banned, too.

All this petty censorship is quite infuriating but since they can set their own terms with impunity I suppose we have no option but to tolerate it.

Ebay will probably become the go to place for such items in the future; until such time as when some SJW cuck tries to get them banned there too.

[Galactic Plagve]

Streicher banned too.
https://www.discogs.com/Streicher-Annihilism/release/6528516

Shit, I was was just looking at Streicher stuff on there yesterday.

[Olegh Kolyada]

Bandcamp is still OK with that.
https://oldcaptain.bandcamp.com/album/streicher-annihilism

[Theodore]

Who decides what will be banned or not ? Is it based on users' reports or someone from their stuff -who think he knows- does it on his own ? Stupid in any way ! So you can post a message [?] under the release telling "For sale, PM me" but you can't sell it via their sales' platform ?

Not to mention, that the database is built by users, so when something is build by users, based on users and for users, how do you explain censorship ? From what i see industrial / noise / PE / BM fans are very active there, releases from these genres usually are in the top-10 of expensive sales. I bet that releases from these genres have big percentage of total sales too. Ban BM releases, they promote satanism. Ban PE, it promotes violence. Ban noise, it's noise. Ban industrial, the root of evil. Ban rock, they are junkies. Ban ban ban !

Curious about what Discogs stuff is thinking. "We destroy fascism, nazism, extremism" ? Well, keep dreaming PC crusaders.

[Goat93]

There is a Forum for the Discussions, after all the Discogs Stuff decided and i guess the Problem lays in the "Middleman" Seller Status of this Place. Its actualy like Ebay, who can sued for making a Transaction possbile for Illegal Stuff. Its easier to claim a Political Crusade, but in the End, its the fear of the Problems they get. And Discogs have some new rules to follow, who are in the same direction, like this new VAT'S System ect.

So, would you hold up Freedom of Speech if you have something to loose with Music you don't even know by yourself?

[Duality]

Curious about what Discogs stuff is thinking. "We destroy fascism, nazism, extremism" ? Well, keep dreaming PC crusaders.

I think (or hope) it's more to do with PR than an actual moral agenda. I mean, the last thing a company wants is to be seen promoting what is seen as hate speech, especially in this extremely tense moral climate we live in. Obviously, its bullshit, trying to censor any form of art is retarded and never works, but I think that they are really just looking to distance themselves from racism or whatever, because the PC crusaders, as you put it, would come down harder than ever.

[GRKZGL]

get a life

[Galactic Plagve]

get a life

No thanks.

[locustfurnace]

Who decides what will be banned or not ? Is it based on users' reports or someone from their stuff -who think he knows- does it on his own ?

It's users reporting as far as I can tell. Someone reports said release and they investigate and slap a ban of future sales.

I doubt they have a program running or a person going through releases with flagged words like "nigger", "rape" or "antisemite" for example as there is plenty of records which you can still sell / buy that are more than worthy of being banned.

Not to mention, that the database is built by users, so when something is build by users, based on users and for users, how do you explain censorship ?

Well I assume the owners can do pretty much want they want to be fair. Their forum/database. Their rules. Lets say Mikko wakes up tomorrow and decides any user types the phrase "black metal ist krieg" is banned from forum or any user with a isp coming from France is banned. Is there anything anyone can do? No. His forum. His rules. Same applies to Discogs.

From what i see industrial / noise / PE / BM fans are very active there, releases from these genres usually are in the top-10 of expensive sales. I bet that releases from these genres have big percentage of total sales too.

Nope. Not even close. You have your Mayhem and Burzums knocking in big figures....a couple of grand down to 300-400 euros with just over 300,000 black metal releases for sale. There is 100s if not thousands of records for sale / sold that go for 3000-4000 among professional sellers and collectors on the site. Also at the moment just counting house (1 branch of dance music)  releases there is just shy of 3 million. Thats the same as the 4 main metal sub genres added together. Lob all metal, industrial and noise together and you just pass the house music section. Add in techno, leftfield, electronica and goodbye metallers you're not even half of our database....

[bitewerksMTB]

I sold the copy of "Day of the Rope" by Organized Resistance on Discogs today. I was surprised when they still allowed it to be sold.

[Galactic Plagve]

I sold the copy of "Day of the Rope" by Organized Resistance on Discogs today. I was surprised when they still allowed it to be sold.

It was me who purchased that from you, lol! Was surprised to see it was still for sale; thought I'd grab that before the purge caught up with it - a classic! :D

[Theodore]

I think (or hope) it's more to do with PR than an actual moral agenda.

That's even worse !? I don't know really what's worse of those two. Having / setting that agenda cause of your beliefs / strategy or following it cause of PR and fear ?

About legal issues, grey area indeed. What's legal here is illegal elsewhere or could be illegal here too in the future and the opposite. No company can follow these changes, expect some very common laws like about child pornography's one.

Yes, obviously the owners can do however they want, but how they explain their decisions to the users their site is based on ? Same way, they will steal the database people build and will ask users to pay in order to have access. Sure they can, legaly, but what about morality they care so much for ?