The Natural Sound Of Noise

Started by Andrew McIntosh, November 16, 2010, 11:34:31 AM

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Andrew McIntosh

On the Tronicks board I opined that metal bashing is becoming more current lately in Noise, but it may be that it's just me noticing it a bit more. I'm interested in people advising about projects/bands that are using natural, untreated and un-electronic generated sounds in their Noise; by that I don't just mean nice field recordings or brow-wrinkling academic works but pure, hard, harsh, loud and powerful Noise that still doesn't have to rely on much more than perhaps amplification. I'm more interested in knowing of little known projects that are using such sounds right now, rather than who's pioneered such work in the last thirty years, but any names would be welcome. I think of projects like The Haters, Mania, Bizarre Uproar, Grunt, Sick Seed, and a few others, but I'm interested in what else may be out there.

Not just metal, either; have there been people crushing concrete, or smashing glass, or exploding buildings, or shooting bullets to get their sounds?
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tiny_tove

I am using plenty of such noises.
Water sounds processed for noise walls, marble / metallic balls a go go, barbed wire on glass/cardboard, paper, ecc.
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ARKHE

Crumbling paper with contact mic's make nice sounds, I have discovered.

ConcreteMascara

Hoor-paar-Kraat uses really interesting source sounds. On the Asha Dasha tape there's a lot of slightly amplified glass abuse(?). He told me he used a crystal wine glass on a large glass table top. Nice and atmospheric. His Handy Feet cassette has much more controlled metal scrapping.

There was a tape put out by this due Connector that's all metal abuse inside of a giant iron statue. http://www.discogs.com/Connector-SteelRust/release/2037529

I'll think of some more today and add.
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FreakAnimalFinland

I think there is difference in using and... well, using. I would assume what Andrew asks, are the bands/artists who use the concrete sounds. Not just something, to be processed via distorting and modulating effects. But that noise itself, has concrete source and natural sound qualities.

Smashing metal, could be taken as one of simples examples, since it is so clear. It is noisy and loud, and the intrinsic quality is just that. When you hear it, you connect immediately to concept of magnitude: size, volume, aggressiveness, etc.
With someone crumbling paper with microphone attached to it (try plastic bags, cellophane bags,...) is some of the standard noise ideas - I would say. But it needs amplification and most often also effects. Sound of paper and many other close-by recorded organic "microsounds" have this quality of not being such a NOISY by loudness, even if perhaps disharmonic and chaotic?

It is the lucky thing in experimental music, that you can of course distort the reality of sounds, and create "space" which is beyond natural balance. Things what are not noisy, can be made such. But if looking for the most painful, most harsh, most disturbing sounds, I tend to experiment with things, what lead there automatically. One can easily find the sources which are harshly noisy, perhaps even unpleasant (relatively) and perhaps even loud enough to consider use of earplugs.

So who exactly is doing NOISE with approach that is nearly electro acoustic? I don't know that many. I do know many who prefer concrete sound as opposed to synthetic.
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 16, 2010, 05:24:45 PM
So who exactly is doing NOISE with approach that is nearly electro acoustic? I don't know that many. I do know many who prefer concrete sound as opposed to synthetic.

knurl was a little bit of a dissapointment in this category. it was good noise but I thought it would like an experiment  in the metallic. but I havent still heard the newest stuff which is said to less effected.

sewer election had this vidoppna sar lp. a side was acoustic with a big fan and junk being the source. took me a second to realise theres no tsunami of sound coming after the "intro" but the I cranked up the volume AND IT WAS GOOD.

FreakAnimalFinland

I have listened couple different versions of Stockhausen microphone 1 and 2. Have meant to comment it, but haven't had time to focus what exactly to say. But this is great, I'd recommend it to Vulpes. Metal noise with minimalism, but also plenty of details, dynamic and composition.
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bitewerksMTB

Yeah, Knurl uses quite a few efx pedals. Wish you could hear the sound sources more clearly before being destroyed.

Live you can hear him hitting/scraping the blades plus the effected/amp'd noise. When I saw him, I was waiting for one of the sawblades to break from pounding on them.

I submitted a track for a comp LP that is entirely metal with no efx. No idea if it'll get released...

ConcreteMascara

The previous releases I mentioned have little to no effects on the source sounds. The Connector tape is 100% unaffected metal banging shenanigans from what I understand.
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Andrew McIntosh

I'd forgotten about Z'ev. Most of this looks like field recording stuff for the most part; not what I'm after. That Daniel Menche album sounds good.
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post-morten

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In my opinion our Swedish legends of performance art and conceptual noisemaking, The Sons Of God, have done loads of interesting stuff within the field of using concrete natural sounds, albeit sometimes using amplification through contact mics. One of the standard routines for these gentlemen is using chairs to scrape a floor in order to release hidden sounds; the leg of the chair thereby becoming an image of the stylus playing a vinyl record. Another Sons Of God standard is raking gravel on the floor, with mics attached to their rakes. This creates a rumble that needs to be heard to be believed. At the probably best live action I've seen them perform, they used iron rods to beat the hell out of a metallic bed frame, with contact mics on the bed springs, which filled the room with crushing, undulating sounds.

There's an interview with one of the members, his royal highness Leif Elggren, in SI #3, if anyone missed it.

Andrew McIntosh

Sounds excellent. Found a few clips on YouTube and it's clear they're relying on additional effects, but the ideas are great. Also seem to be a pretty interesting performance group. Do they record much, or are they mainly a live act?

(By the way, I thought this was at first the same people).
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Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 18, 2010, 12:36:49 AM
Sounds excellent. Found a few clips on YouTube and it's clear they're relying on additional effects, but the ideas are great. Also seem to be a pretty interesting performance group. Do they record much, or are they mainly a live act?

(By the way, I thought this was at first the same people).

Coincidentally, I attended that performance from the first video clip. It took place only last month at the Fylkingen venue, during a festival commemorating veteran text/sound composer Sten Hansson. This was so brilliant it sent shivers down my spine, but I didn't mention this performance in my previous post since it didn't rely on any concrete sounds. It had the two members sitting at a table, exchanging the sole phrase "Sluta med det där" or something similar (roughly "stop what you are doing"), first calmly then the tone becoming more and more aggravated. Their vocals were recorded, looped, distorted and multitracked, until it became an unintelligble mess. I think they were also using some additional noisy backing tracks. Anyway, after a while they rose to their feet, commencing a sort of fool's dance where they acted out a totally psychotic routine; staggering across the room with spastic moves, throwing themselves on the floor, desperately clanging to the table, etc. Honestly, I was awestruck.  

Edit: I just noticed the video clip was recorded in Lausanne/Switzerland, but it seems to be identical to the performance I witnessed.

They have a pretty extensive discography under their belt, and their entry at discogs seems incomplete to me. However, being a group that rely heavily on the performance aspect, the downside is that it doesn't translate very well to recorded (audio) media since it loses the visual dimension. I mean, seeing and experiencing when they drag chairs is one thing, listening to a recording of the very same (as on The Object CD) is simply not the same thing. I own or have heard only a handful of their albums, but one beautiful exception is the Ugn LP (well, technically not released as Sons Of God, rather with their individual names), originally released in -86 on C.M. von Hausswolff's label Radium 226.05, then re-released on CD by Touch as Ugn/Mat. I'm far from the only one ranking this as their premier album.



(From when they were assaulting the bed...)