Sound collage

Started by Peterson, January 30, 2018, 08:18:30 PM

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Peterson

OK, so at some point, it's a hard line to delineate the boundaries between, say, musique concrete, "general tape music," and a "sound collage." Lots of projects or releases I could think of have a collage-type approach to many tracks, even describing themselves as such (Ultra, Macronympha, Contrastate, Runzerstirn & Gurgelstock, Merzbow) but somehow they seem a bit too "musical" (or noisy) to really hit the description of sound collage as I interpret it.

When I think of a sound collage, I'm thinking layered, cut-up, and maybe sometimes looped field recordings, tape sound, found sound, seemingly purposeless recordings of families, and the like - maybe some warped musical bits in there, but really mostly collaged non-music sound. I'm having a hard time explaining myself but am confident that at least a few people around here know what I mean.

With limited success, I've found what might qualify as such here and there, problem is, a lot of it sucks or is just a bunch of field recordings of everyday bullshit. Can anyone recommend more listenable sound-collage type stuff? Maybe even artists who specialize in such techniques?

Zeno Marx

Examples of each, as you see them?
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totalblack

Yeah, would probably need to see some examples of what you mean and don't mean, but will go ahead and mention Michael Barthel \ some 'Recordings For The Summer' releases might be up your alley. Also some Dave Phillips, or Daniel Lowenbruck stuff?

Johann

#3
I think I understand what your looking for, so while I find Barthel to be incredible I don't know if he qualifies. I would say he is more 'Sound Poetry', but if you dig SP I recommend him. His Recordings for Summer label does issue a lot of field recordings.

Hands To (particularly early stuff) as well as certain releases under his own name fits the bill for what your describing I think. If you enjoy field recordings a lot of Jeph Jerman releases are very good. I would suggest Jeph Jerman - Metal Drift it's recordings on various metal structures in the desert and mixed down from like 4 mini disc players. I think.

Darksmith ~ organic sound collage, sometimes I hear music in it, guitar and drums deconstructed completely with crude organic sounds...one of the best currently working.

Agog is mostly collages sounds, somewhat "musical" at times. There are some examples on YouTube.

Reijo Pami ~ I love this guy, I never have met anyone else into it. Real non sound, no effects. Crude recordings. I was just thinking about the junk sounds topic today and wondering why he wasn't included.

These are what I think of when I think collage sound, however if you want more organized sound

Alvin Currans - Natural History : uses all field recording but arranged like a symphony. It's brilliant sounding stuff.

Deadpriest

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I think Matmos and People Like Us fit under the sound collage umbrella but they are not loud by any means. Oh oh, there's also Graham Moore's matterial on his split with Artbreakhotel!!
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tiny_tove

NURSE WITH WOUND
a lot of John Murphy's stuff
early CURRENT 93 (which featured both the above mentioned gentlemen)
CALIGULA031 - WERTHAM - FORESTA DI FERRO
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NaturalOrthodoxy

Would Mlehst come under this? Admittedly I'm unsure of the line between musique concrete and sound collage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Re7cHBxxU

Deadpriest

Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on January 31, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
Would Mlehst come under this? Admittedly I'm unsure of the line between musique concrete and sound collage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Re7cHBxxU

That sounds like MC to me; I don't think it's chopped enough up or has a varied enough sound to be sound collage. Either way it's as boring as all Hell.
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Deadpriest

Me again!! You can search 'sound collage' on Bandcamp:

https://bandcamp.com/tag/sound-collage
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Johann

Quote from: Deadpriest on January 31, 2018, 05:58:19 PM
Me again!! You can search 'sound collage' on Bandcamp:

https://bandcamp.com/tag/sound-collage

I don't think this is paticularly useful. Anyone could blindly search, he's looking for recommendations.

I've been going back and forth with this suggestion but G*Park might appeal. His work is def within the tradition of MC and Tape music but what he achieves in stunning, I feel he deconstructs reality and rearranges it. One of the best either way.

In the more crude relam Brian Ryruk collages his guitar playing into a heap of junk sound, and Prick Decay might interest you. Check out Cuba Planet Cuba, it's on Bandcamp i think. Stuff is crude as fuck.

Potier

I used to obsess over field recording collage work, microsound and isolationism - whatever that term specifically describes.
When I think of a sound collage I always think about radio plays that are all over the map when it comes to sound sources - however not really noisy, distracting or overtly crude/offensive/intrusive.

Anyway - some things you might enjoy - not necessarily in the radio play sense described above...

https://www.discogs.com/artist/259779-Mathieu-Ruhlmann
https://www.discogs.com/artist/413294-Fhievel
https://www.discogs.com/artist/278317-Nathan-McNinch
https://www.discogs.com/artist/74839-Jgrzinich
https://www.discogs.com/artist/284386-Asher-4
https://www.discogs.com/artist/423650-Christopher-McFall
https://www.discogs.com/artist/147853-Dan-Warburton
https://www.discogs.com/artist/240877-Darius-Ciuta
https://www.discogs.com/artist/90589-Tore-Honor%C3%A9-B%C3%B8e
https://www.discogs.com/artist/224076-Ubeboet




Zeno Marx

What I'm thinking to recommend has me thinking we had a similar thread at some point.

JGrzinich, and that whole crew, are masters at this.  Grzinich is probably the pinnacle, though.  Start with his Intimations, get your mind blown, and then go from there.

John Wall, if I'm understanding the fence lines here, is head of surgery in the collage field.  He's up there with Bayle and Brume.
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

Bloated Slutbag

I was also thinking some of the microsound guys, Darius Ciuta, etc.

Second John Wall, earlier
-Alterstill
-Fractuur

Second Dave Phillips, more recent non field-recording
-RISE
-?
-Collection Of Hair
-Homo Animalis
-mutations

John Watermann, earlier
-Dummyhead
-The Dead Calm Of Bashing Coca Cola
-Warmth Is The Fifth Room
-These Are Workers
Someone weaker than you should beat you and brag
And take you for a drag