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CITY RUINS - Cleveland industrial/noise document. See announcement:
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=1107.0

I was very positively surprised! One could say that this is document for experts. I think 2+ hours length, with quite decent length live clips featured between interviews, it is for noise fanatics. It's not something one could broadcast in TV and perhaps even for film festivals, it's just too long, with many people discussing just about same things. Which from perspective of guy, who's interested what noise people say, is very good. But from perspective of flow of documentary viewed by "outsiders", maybe not perfect choice.
Some of the bands, I would not rate very high by musical standards, while others, are up there in the highest international levels. Everybody is very much down to earth and all discussion are very relaxed. You got the old veterans, you got the world wide famous guys, you got the rising names of gutter noise, you got the relatively newbies or unknown persons. There is coverage of past as well as current day.
While the red line of the document is how Cleveland is unique, how the industrial decay of midwest affects their sound, and how everything is bleak, violent, desperate... and how its unique that noise bands team up with punk, grind, metal, freejazz, etc... and I've got the feeling like... is this people from Denmark talking? Is this people from Finland talking? hehe...  I mean, you get very cozy feeling of Cleveland noise community, which is very active with regular small scale shows, stuff aired in radio, labels putting out stuff, and so on. But, when things go to point that many people repeat the "it's nothing like this anywhere in the world", I do wonder... is it so? Of course we can see many differences, but also how in many ways, things are just the same. Perhaps many europeans have not used to idea of "basement shows". Perhaps it is little bit more high-tech and glitchier or trendy in other places, but also, when I view the stacks of gear people often have - or the computers, I think over here I've often seen people get by with much much less, and much low-tech.
I would most definitely recommend this. Noise/Pe/industrial documents are rare, and with some technical shortages, this is essential. I also like the way it puts the face and real person behind some of the stuff, what used to be just a anonymous tape in the shelves. Even if some could argue that it ruins some of the mystery, with seeing guys in shorts and t-shirts and sneakers make racket in corner of bar - after seeing this, I think if I'd be going to US, I'd be more than willing to check out some Cleveland noise action on the spot!
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Quote from: andy vomit on December 04, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 27, 2010, 11:59:20 PM
GRAPHIC SEXUAL HORROR is pretty interesting. Reminds me of H.O.M. loops mixed with Japanese S&M. The guy's early work is interesting too (paintings, I think).

i watched it last night.  decent flick for sure.  from a documentary standpoint it was nothing spectacular, but the content more than made up for it (which is something i think the filmmakers knew going into it)

Got the dvd and it is nice. I have seen lots of insex clips online over the years, yet never really thought anything else about it, that this is very well done. That company mastermind was artist, who had the knowledge of past bondage classics as well as influence from serial killers, (not just some random porn enthusiast doing few knots) coupled with enthusiasm to put money & effort in things (Having own blacksmith to make the equipment for example) makes it exceptional. Not just the cheapest sex-shop cuffs and call them "shackles".
Well shot stuff, from nice angles. It was "just" a site. No dvd's, no magazines. So basically out of my "normal" interests. Some of their work has been bootlegged by the Japanese magazine makes, but unfortunately it also means cencored works. If you could couple the artistic vision of this site, and resources & distribution of some good book maker, it would be amazing.

And I must give credit that THIS is just about the best porn related document what comes to showing actual subject matter. They show goods. Even pretty long clips of extreme action, what would be illegal to distribute in many countries in first place. So yes, if you see the dvd available somewhere, grab it!
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I enjoyed Graphix Sexual Horror a lot. I think it was advertised even on Rue Morgue magazine (at the moment the best horror themed magazine around)

I am reading this article that may be interesting:

Child migrants: 'I didn't belong to anybody'

Harold Haig was among thousands of child migrants who were deported to Australia and subjected to horrific physical and sexual abuse. A new film depicts their plight

    *

    * Patrick Barkham
    *
          o Patrick Barkham
          o guardian.co.uk, Thursday 7 April 2011 20.30 BST
          o Article history

Harold Haig who was a child migrant
Harold Haig, who was sent to Australia when he was 10. Photograph: Graham Turner for the Guardian

When Harold Haig was 10 years old, a man in a suit came to visit. "He said to me, 'Would you like to go to this wonderful place called Australia where the sun shines all day every day and you pick oranges off the trees, live in a little white cottage by the sea and ride a  horse to school?'" remembers Haig, who is 73 but looks younger, with Pete Postlethwaite cheekbones and flowing white hair. "While I was letting this sink in, he added, 'Well, you know you're an orphan, your parents are dead, you've got no family, you might as well go.'"

Haig was one of 7,000 children from British care homes who were shipped mostly to Australia and Canada between the second world war and 1967. The scandal of the lies and abuse suffered by these child migrants was exposed thanks to the tireless work of Margaret Humphreys, a social worker from Nottingham, who, in 1987, took it upon herself to help them find their families. As Oranges and Sunshine, a moving new film by Jim Loach – son of Ken – shows, Humphreys defied death threats to discover the truth about these former child migrants and their past lives. When Haig begins to talk, it is eerie because his softly spoken words and manner exactly resemble those of Jack, a traumatised former child migrant in the film who is played by Hugo Weaving. The British-Australian actor met and talked to Haig about his experiences before taking the role.

Apart from the man in the suit talking of oranges and sunshine, Haig barely remembers anything of his childhood in Britain. "Because of my lack of memories, I may as well have been born in Australia when I was 11 years old," he says, bleakly. He was sure he had a sister called Marie, but he could not remember anything at all about his mother: no image, no voice, no smell. "Just a blank. An absolute blank."

Surrounded by other "orphaned" children, the voyage to Australia was an adventure ("we ran riot"). When Haig arrived, he was dispatched to a Church of England boarding school in Melbourne. Other child migrants were less fortunate, as Oranges and Sunshine reveals through the story of Len, played by David Wenham. Many ended up in the care of the notorious Christian Brothers where they were treated as slave labour and suffered horrific physical and sexual abuse. One victim told an official inquiry that his Christian Brother carers competed to become the first to rape him 100 times.

Haig escaped such trauma – he would be beaten with a strap if he did anything wrong – but, as he says: "The thing missing in an institution for children is that there is no love. You get punished but there is no one there to put their arm around you and say it's OK." One of many powerful scenes in Oranges and Sunshine is when the character based on Haig falteringly explains how he feels: "There's an emptiness in me. There always has been and I think the only thing that could fill it was her, my mother." Haig says something similar when he talks of how he married, had three children and established a successful signwriting business: "Anyone would've thought there's a fella who's got everything, but it was like I had a block of ice inside me. I felt empty. I knew I was missing something. I couldn't work out what it was. And there was this feeling – I didn't know who I was. I didn't know where I'd come from. I didn't belong to anybody. I was in this void."

In the 1960s, Haig sank into a deep depression. He was prescribed antidepressants, saved them up and swallowed them all. "I wanted to die. I wanted to go to sleep and not wake up to get rid of this pain, this emptiness," he says. His wife, normally a good sleeper, woke up and saved his life. He wishes he hadn't tried to take his life at home, while his children slept.

The "beautiful" younger sister he was always convinced he had eventually traced him through the Salvation Army. Marie had been separated from their mother and Haig, and raised in care homes in Britain; unlike Haig, she remembered her sibling. One day, in 1987, Marie told him she was coming to Australia with a social worker, Margaret Humphreys, who she wanted him to meet. Haig, by then divorced and wandering the Australian outback ("I don't know what I was looking for"), was unimpressed. "I'd seen a lot of social workers and I had no respect for any of them," he says.

While Oranges and Sunshine shows Humphreys struggling to win the trust of some child migrants, Haig quickly came to respect her. She was the first to raise the possibility that Haig had been told a terrible untruth – that he might not be an orphan after all. "I didn't think anyone would be so cruel to tell you that sort of a lie," he says. He is amazed by Emily Watson's performance as Humphreys in the film. "I could've been watching Margaret," he says.

Haig visited Britain for six months in 1989 to get to know Marie, who passed away 14 years ago, and to help Humphreys track down his mother. With so little record-keeping by the authorities, still in denial over the scale of the trauma they created, it took another few years for them to get confirmation that Haig had not been an orphan. His parents had separated during the war, and with two children, no benefits and no relatives nearby, his mother had been forced to give up her son and daughter.

Humphreys discovered Haig's mother had lived two miles from where he was kept in homes (eight institutions in 14 months before he was "deported" – as the former child migrants say – to Australia) and had died just a year before he first visited Britain. The belated release of more suppressed information 10 years ago also helped Humphreys, who was awarded a CBE this year, finally identify Haig's deceased father.

No photographs remain of his mother, and Haig will forever wonder why he was given up and whether his mother tried to find him. As Oranges and Sunshine shows, parents were often deceived by the authorities and told their children had been adopted or even that they were dead. "Mothers went to their graves never knowing that their children were still alive, and happy, and well," says Haig. "It's criminal. I don't know what worse you can do to people."

Why did this happen? For the British authorities, a one-way ticket to Australia was cheaper than looking after children in care homes. For the Australian government, petrified they would be overrun by Asian immigrants, white children were ideal fodder for the racist "White Australia" policy.

In 2009, the Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd apologised to child migrants. "It's a day we'll never forget," says Haig, who is secretary of the International Association of Former Child Migrants and their Families, and is still good friends with Humphreys. Gordon Brown followed with an apology on behalf of the British government a year later.

The trauma of all these state-sanctioned lies and abuse has left a long, scarring legacy. Haig is still estranged from his two daughters who felt deserted when his depression destroyed his marriage. "They think I abandoned them, and in many ways I did. I had trouble looking after myself," he says, anguish in his voice. He has since been reconciled with his son, and he hopes the film might yet bring him back together with his daughters.

"What Margaret did for me and for thousands of child migrants is to give us back our lives, give us back our identity, and shine a light in where there was just darkness." Where would he be without Humphreys? "I have my doubts about whether I'd be here alive," he says. "You should ask, where would all of us be?"
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Recently saw one about the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs) , was made last year by a well know chilean documentary program(Aquí En Vivo), actually I don't know how I missed it.
Not so harsh footage (this was for national television), but if anyone is interested and understand spanish, it's uploaded in 6 parts on youtube:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9UXzKLhx4Y

Litharge

Quote from: XE on December 12, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
SICK: The Life & Death of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist 1997

Finally watched this last week; interesting and entertaining, and since I had never read the Re-Search book on Flanagan, the documentary film filled in quite a lot of the blanks in my knowledge of his life and artistic career.  Especially interesting was the DVD extra update on Sarah Doucette -- the young woman featured in the film, who meets Flanagan through the "Make a Wish Foundation".  She has CF -- the same disease that afflicted Bob Flanagan.  I'd almost like to know if she's still alive today (although, I guess I'm not actually curious enough to have looked her up as of now, when I write this).

Litharge

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 13, 2009, 01:05:15 PMI think one good document about NOISE CULTURE is the dvd "PEOPLE WHO MAKE NOISE". I have seriously watched it twice. It is amazing documentary about certain moment in Portland (US) noise scene. In a way, you simply can worship the extreme goofiness of veterans like SMEGMA, but also I can tell, that if you happen to have any company whatsoever while watching this, simply prepare for stomach muscle aching bursts of laughter. It is not funny all the time, but it is, a lot of time.
There is good stuff there too, but most of all extremely funny. Mostly unintentionally.

"People Who Do Noise" finally worked its way up through my Netflix queue, and I just now finished watching it.  The picture obviously would have been better if the filmmaker had widened out beyond Portland, Oregon, but it's understandable than an undoubtedly minisculely budgeted movie like this would have to choose one locale and stick with it.

I recognized maybe half of the artists featured, and I imagine perhaps half of everyone profiled has called it quits since the documentary was originally released.  The film is mostly watchable, and mildly entertaining, but at the same time it also reaffirmed why I generally don't like full-on "noise": with rare exceptions, it tends to be the audio genre of last resort -- the lowest common denominator of post-industrial music, often for people who can't even manage the effort and equipment needed for "punk rock".

Nevertheless, the highlight for me was Daniel Menche -- both the performance that ends the official version of the film, and the DVD alternate ending.  I first heard Menche in the mid 1990s, and since then I've slowly picked up a fraction of his seemingly vast discography.  On the other hand, it's understandable that a venerable act like Smegma, who apparently are in Portland, would get a long segment devoted to their work, but after the first few minutes of their performance piece I just had to fast forward.  They reminded me all-too-much of the kind of local, academic, often goofy avant-garde improv group based in the music department of the local branch of this state's public college.

The last real noise release I've acquired is "Selected Noise Works 93 - 94" by Monde Bruits.  I had first seen a review of the disc in the mid 90s, and for some reason it had stuck in my mind, until I finally happened to spot the CD listed in an online mailorder's catalog earlier this year.  The material is what I generally consider all-out noise, and while I doubt I'll end up listening to it much more than once a year, it's good to have such work for when I genuinely want to hear loud, chaotic noise music.

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MY ENEMY'S ENEMY (2007).
I guess when nazi documentary gets nominations on film festivals, it may be better than the average flood of military & war documents flooded from every direction? This is one and half hour, focusing on life of Klaus Barbie. And not so much about the already infamous times as gestapo chief, blamed for orgy of Lyon, but more of his later days adventures as agent for various old enemy forces. CIA, British intelligence and more. And about his roles in various incidents in south america, perhaps the most notably the national socialist / cocaine revolution in Bolivia 1980. I guess it is relatively rare footage to come across. Even if you check out information about Barbie or Luis García Meza Tejada, normally placed like wikipedia have abundance of historical details, but there's very little. Document with old footage of revolution, where swastika flags displayed on walls, with perfect approval from the US, since they rather looked national socialism take over, than communism. But changed their mind, when whole thing lead into government lead cocaine trafficking.
There are clips of interviews of people involved. Old stuff, and new stuff. With footage of Bolivian club room decorated with nazi collectibles and the guy who laughing in interview about his habits to collect all the stuff.
One does wonder if there are PE bands who ever deal with so "classic" subject matter? Of course Genocide Organ has the "Klaus Barbie" track as well as "Patria Y Libertad", which most likely deals with Chile paramilitary fascist group prior to Pinochet's era, but now when I think of, the whole 80's team of of nazi leaders, italian terrorist and south american generals seems like unknown territory for bands who eternally will make vague references to KKK or "nazis"?

Document is amazingly neutral. It covers wide range of reference to high interesting subject matter, from Odessa group to dirty dealings of right wing vatican priests, high power french politicians as informants of Klaus, secret arms stashes of left behind troops. Offices of jewish nazihunters doing their investigations, interviews with politicians, ex-CIA, ex-police, various historians, activists and victims, both from the concentration camps, but also from mindblowing torture ideas designed by Klaus, practiced by south america powers. Not to mention the story of Che Guevara capture plan being supposedly masterminded by Klaus and his derogatory remarks about this leftist icon, how this dirty & unorganized hustler wouldn't have survived conditions of WWII.

Most people seem to agree he was no "monster". Just intelligent and committed person, using his talent in service of ideals, against the enemy. In court when he is finally convicted for life sentence in 1987, he has speech in the court, in french, explaining that he is not guilty. That any act done, is done legally at the time, in moment of war, against the enemy. And his defense argues that it is no difference from American troops dropping napalm into civilian villages in Vietnam or what Belgians did in Kongo or what French themselves been doing in Algeria. Every single country who takes part in these political processes, have used Klaus and his expertise for their own benefit for decades, yet he as individual stands alone in court. Answering for silly accusations of pretty minor cases, compared to the system that aims to judge him. I guess that main reason is that killing people in europe is so much more higher crime than the europeans and americans killing innocent orientals and negroes in masses? In interview Klaus does say that there are few things in life what he regrets, but nothing major and it belongs to his old life so long ago, its not worth to remember.

For being 2,99 euro at cult distributor Anttila shelves, I think pretty good purchase!
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well regarding the nazi documentaries featured at film festival and with some "arty" approach I think the best two are some that definitely stand out:

- The Eichmann Trial, pure post industrial imagery, very very dense atmosphere, with some digital editing that I was unused to witness in documentaries. A must have.
- Struma - Fantastic documentay regarding a not very well known happening of WWII. A boat packed with Jews escaping from Romania after paying very expensive tickets and permissions to smugglers, sent toward Palestine to be bombed by British armies that didn't recognise the fake immigration papers. (http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/a/struma.htm).
- Shoa - Claude Lanzmann's 9 hour documentaries. Many interviews.
- Nuit et brouillard - Alain Resnais - Definitely one of the best pieces on the subject, for the mix of sounds and visuals.
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 28, 2011, 10:23:00 AM
One does wonder if there are PE bands who ever deal with so "classic" subject matter?

To me this is less PE and much more of a traditional industrial subject which is why I personally favour industrial of PE in the end. I've learnt a few interesting and useful historical facts from various industrial projects whereas PE much less so.


Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 28, 2011, 10:23:00 AM
In court when he is finally convicted for life sentence in 1987, he has speech in the court, in french, explaining that he is not guilty. That any act done, is done legally at the time, in moment of war, against the enemy. And his defense argues that it is no difference from American troops dropping napalm into civilian villages in Vietnam or what Belgians did in Kongo or what French themselves been doing in Algeria. Every single country who takes part in these political processes, have used Klaus and his expertise for their own benefit for decades, yet he as individual stands alone in court. Answering for silly accusations of pretty minor cases, compared to the system that aims to judge him. I guess that main reason is that killing people in europe is so much more higher crime than the europeans and americans killing innocent orientals and negroes in masses? In interview Klaus does say that there are few things in life what he regrets, but nothing major and it belongs to his old life so long ago, its not worth to remember.

I remember when he was caught and pending his trial his lawyer, an intellectual communist of Algerian descent with an air of typical French arrogance, said on the Swedish news "You don't let a bunch of whores judge a whore". The reporter asked him what he meant and he recounted and endless stream of French atrocities in Algeria and then saying "who gave these people the right to judge anyone?".

OK, guffaw of the day as I read through Wikipedia about Barbie:

Barbie is memorably referred to in the film Rat Race, when the Jewish Pear family stops at the "Barbie Museum", thinking it to be a museum of Barbie dolls. They arrive, shocked at its true subject and threatening staff of neo-nazis, who attempt to portray Klaus Barbie as a "loving husband, devoted father, wine connoisseur, and three-time ballroom dancing champion." Following their awkward departure, the Pear family finds their van destroyed and subsequently steals one of the museum's relics, Adolf Hitler's staff car.
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Strömkarlen

Barbie's lawyer, Jacques Vergès, is a really interesting charachter. He went missing for number of years during the seventies only to appear in Hanoi/North Vietnam during the middle of the Vietnamn war. The alarm bells at the French secret service and CIA went into overdrive. He has been placed with both Pol Pot and Palestine terrorist during that period but nothing is confirmed.

I guess if there ever was a man deserving the titel the Devil's Advocate it is Vergés being both Carlos and Barbie's lawyer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Verg%C3%A8s

davenpdx

It's been a few years since I viewed it, but I remember the documentary about Jacques Vergès, "Terror's Advocate," as being a fascinating portrait of him.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032854/

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAqhvkUr-8g

Probably a good time to give it another viewing...
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AMERICAN PIMP (1999)
QuoteAmerican Pimp is a 1999 documentary that examines the pimp subculture in the United States. It was directed by the Hughes Brothers, the filmmakers behind Menace II Society and Dead Presidents.
The documentary consists of first person interviews of people involved in the pimping lifestyle. The interviews are separated by short clips from 1970's blaxploitation films such as Willie Dynamite, The Mack, and Dolemite.
The first portion of the documentary focuses on pimps working illegally. The illegal pimps that are interviewed are from all over the United States, e.g., Charm from Hawaii, Fillmore Slim from San Francisco, and Payroll from Las Vegas. These pimps, and many others discuss their theories on the history of prostitution. The pimps go on to talk about their philosophy on pimping, and how they live their daily life.
The film also discusses the legal sector of prostitution. Dennis Hof, the owner of the Bunny Ranch in Nevada, is interviewed. He feels that Nevada is much smarter than the other states because they have imposed the proper health and background checks on prostitution, instead of trying to suppress prostitution by making it illegal.
The majority of the documentary glorifies the pimping lifestyle. The pimps and prostitutes interviewed mainly discuss the perks of the lifestyle. They talk about the money they have made, and the expensive suits and cars they were able to buy; however, near the end of the film, the interviews involve prostitutes that have died from the lifestyle as well as pimps who have retired and hold straight jobs or those who are now in jail.

90 minutes of stuff, pretty good. And most of all funny as hell. Black pimp, is just about THE funniest looking character in world, and some of these fellows interviewed, keep it down to quite normal, while others are utter comedy. There are so many classic lines what they say, if don't get irritated by "you know what I mean" -line bombarded like just about every 10 seconds. Best is the logic of the game, and the old players who feel insulted about some newcomers who offer 50/50 cut to whore. All these guys, it is 100% goes to pimp -attitude. "If she makes 5000,- a night and gets caught, and I only got 2500 while bailing her out costs 5000, how could I do it? I need to get all the money!".
One of the guys explain, that if it would be up to whore, she'd be doing just little work and then spend all the money and when rent is due, she'd be in trouble again. Pimp just organizes. He gets whore work all day everyday, and all the money goes to pimp, since whores don't know what to do with the money. Pimp pays the bills. Rent, clothes, food. She doesn't need to think more. Just spread legs when told to do so. And several of the pimps explain, that this is the rule of the game. It can't be explained to outsider, who doesn't "get it". The relation ship of mac and the whore is beyond the reasoning.
There is good moment when the ex-pimp, now blue singer talks about history of american prostitution. Where it was never a problem when it was white men who pimped. Every saloon, every whorehouse visited by every man from every class. But when black men became pimps, and collect serious money, suddenly it all became utmost sin and shame. Only white "pimp", who doesn't associate himself being one, is the nevada whorehouse owner. In deed, he's not some street pimp smacking his bitches when they don't do what they're are told to, but legit businessman running respectable service.
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some great recommendations in this topic, saw the klaus barbie documentary a couple of days ago, really good, I might give it another spin.
keep them coming!

tiny_tove

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 02, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
AMERICAN PIMP (1999)
QuoteAmerican Pimp is a 1999 documentary that examines the pimp subculture in the United States. It was directed by the Hughes Brothers, the filmmakers behind Menace II Society and Dead Presidents.
The documentary consists of first person interviews of people involved in the pimping lifestyle. The interviews are separated by short clips from 1970's blaxploitation films such as Willie Dynamite, The Mack, and Dolemite.
The first portion of the documentary focuses on pimps working illegally. The illegal pimps that are interviewed are from all over the United States, e.g., Charm from Hawaii, Fillmore Slim from San Francisco, and Payroll from Las Vegas. These pimps, and many others discuss their theories on the history of prostitution. The pimps go on to talk about their philosophy on pimping, and how they live their daily life.
The film also discusses the legal sector of prostitution. Dennis Hof, the owner of the Bunny Ranch in Nevada, is interviewed. He feels that Nevada is much smarter than the other states because they have imposed the proper health and background checks on prostitution, instead of trying to suppress prostitution by making it illegal.
The majority of the documentary glorifies the pimping lifestyle. The pimps and prostitutes interviewed mainly discuss the perks of the lifestyle. They talk about the money they have made, and the expensive suits and cars they were able to buy; however, near the end of the film, the interviews involve prostitutes that have died from the lifestyle as well as pimps who have retired and hold straight jobs or those who are now in jail.

90 minutes of stuff, pretty good. And most of all funny as hell. Black pimp, is just about THE funniest looking character in world, and some of these fellows interviewed, keep it down to quite normal, while others are utter comedy. There are so many classic lines what they say, if don't get irritated by "you know what I mean" -line bombarded like just about every 10 seconds. Best is the logic of the game, and the old players who feel insulted about some newcomers who offer 50/50 cut to whore. All these guys, it is 100% goes to pimp -attitude. "If she makes 5000,- a night and gets caught, and I only got 2500 while bailing her out costs 5000, how could I do it? I need to get all the money!".
One of the guys explain, that if it would be up to whore, she'd be doing just little work and then spend all the money and when rent is due, she'd be in trouble again. Pimp just organizes. He gets whore work all day everyday, and all the money goes to pimp, since whores don't know what to do with the money. Pimp pays the bills. Rent, clothes, food. She doesn't need to think more. Just spread legs when told to do so. And several of the pimps explain, that this is the rule of the game. It can't be explained to outsider, who doesn't "get it". The relation ship of mac and the whore is beyond the reasoning.
There is good moment when the ex-pimp, now blue singer talks about history of american prostitution. Where it was never a problem when it was white men who pimped. Every saloon, every whorehouse visited by every man from every class. But when black men became pimps, and collect serious money, suddenly it all became utmost sin and shame. Only white "pimp", who doesn't associate himself being one, is the nevada whorehouse owner. In deed, he's not some street pimp smacking his bitches when they don't do what they're are told to, but legit businessman running respectable service.

get also Pimp Snooky
TV documentary about New Orleans pimp Snooky.
I have featured part of the interview in one track of the Memories CD.
Highlights:
- the pimp of the year competition
- the way he talks to whores on the streets
etc.
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