Recently I watched Death Squad live performance from Freak Animal festival. Ending with cutting is really extreme.
Share your live experience from some extreme performance. ...or some extreme video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwnOVYFN20
that counts? the girl in the big white t shirt looks way uncomfortable, ha.
Fecalove + vomiting and nose bleeding performer :D
a performer that deserves a topic dedicated i think....
and i remember a really extreme grind band called Grimness
Survival Unit at War & Hate festival 2012. Set Teitan was guest vocalist and kicked a random guy at the front straight in the face. Looked rather painful. Set... well, he didn't wear sneakers.
stating the obvious: Bizarre Uproar
old Die Form
Quote from: Baglady on March 21, 2014, 11:32:44 PM
Survival Unit at War & Hate festival 2012. Set Teitan was guest vocalist and kicked a random guy at the front straight in the face. Looked rather painful. Set... well, he didn't wear sneakers.
about Set Teitan , Watain live set are pretty extreme.
Survival unit are in the album Werewolf training of Set Teitan's band Bloodline. a great album .
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on March 21, 2014, 11:47:28 PM
about Set Teitan , Watain live set are pretty extreme.
Survival unit are in the album Werewolf training of Set Teitan's band Bloodline. a great album .
Yeah, Bloodline played the same festival. Rather lame show though. And Set is no longer a member of Bloodline.
Watain can be pretty wild. The show in Linköping, Sweden 2006 is quite legendary over here. But they haven't lived up to that show since, think. I guess it has to do with the bigger and more controlled venues they play nowadays.
Litter Shitter have performed some of the most olfactory/unhygenically extreme performances I've attended.
Sonically/atmosphere/words-wise, Brian Lewis Sander's set at "Extreme Rituals: A Schimpfluch Carnival" in bristol 2012 is the only noise show I've been to that nearly made me physically ill/have a panic attack, tho bit in Dave Phillips' set where there was a sudden move to timestretching, strobes and plants in the audience screaming came close too, thought for a moment I'd been spiked or something :D
Quote from: Cementimental on March 22, 2014, 12:49:16 AM
Sonically/atmosphere/words-wise, Brian Lewis Sander's set at "Extreme Rituals: A Schimpfluch Carnival" in bristol 2012 is the only noise show I've been to that nearly made me physically ill/have a panic attack
+1 on that one. Funny that this set comes up and funny that somebody actually felt they way that I felt. Something about the intensity/volume/visuals/delivery that was straight forward nauseating and intimidating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRP_YBWPqmE
To blow my own trumpet a little, see http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2971.0
Whitehouse as a three-piece 1996-2002 were extreme shows by any standards - amazing and memorable performances of catharsis, black comedy and transcendent visceral excitement.
Death Squad and Dave Phillips certainly can be memorably intense. There's a kind of dead-end of absurdity when it comes to self-conscious 'extremity' though - those two guys have content and intelligence but that story of some dimwitted heavy metal guy guesting with Survival Unit would seem to make GG Allin look deep.
Is Miley Cyrus's current stage show 'extreme'?
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 22, 2014, 05:08:24 AMIs Miley Cyrus's current stage show 'extreme'?
"Mainstream extreme" - the type of performance/art/movie etc. one gets from a mainstream source that then becomes a sounding board for the views and opinions of punters and the public alike, making money and gaining attention for the "artists" in the meantime. Not so much accepted as expected.
Sadly, I've never experienced a live performance that could be called "extreme". I've had ago at it myself, on a couple of occasions, but it seems to me that in Melbourne at least there is a dearth of PE/Noise/etc. artists who just don't want to take the opportunities to take performance to a level beyond simply playing. I'm really not sure why that is, the field is wide open.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on March 22, 2014, 05:32:02 AM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 22, 2014, 05:08:24 AMIs Miley Cyrus's current stage show 'extreme'?
"Mainstream extreme"
Talking about mainstream extreme, I guess some of you have heard about the latest Lady Gaga stunt where she hired the chick who paints on canvas by puking on it to puke on her. Here's the video: http://youtu.be/K5ZnHssq4Fs?t=2m10s
Annoying as fuck but quite entertaining at the same time.
Eugenics Council seem to fit this to a tee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF4p-aW8vew
Could someone clarify wtf happened in that video? They set of somekind of pipebomb or what?
Whitehouse in Sotos-Best-Bennett line-up.....i really like the way they could heat up a crowd to scary-level without getting hurt :-)
old docile men now...
they were the best live project I have ever seen...
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 22, 2014, 05:08:24 AM
To blow my own trumpet a little, see http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2971.0
Death Squad and Dave Phillips certainly can be memorably intense. There's a kind of dead-end of absurdity when it comes to self-conscious 'extremity' though - those two guys have content and intelligence but that story of some dimwitted heavy metal guy guesting with Survival Unit would seem to make GG Allin look deep.
Set is far from a dimwitted heavy metal guy, i used to speak to him quite a bit a few years back. A very sharp guy with a wide ranging musical outlook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxJUbd66Vcc
Hanatarash may count I would have thought? Would love to see actual footage of the above rather than just slideshow.
If only, I don't think there is any tho alas. There's a bit more background/detail of the circumstances in David Novak's 'Japanoise' book tho
Quote from: Cementimental on March 22, 2014, 02:26:35 PM
If only, I don't think there is any tho alas. There's a bit more background/detail of the circumstances in David Novak's 'Japanoise' book tho
I've got the book, not started it yet, that's good to know!
I'm sure Gillham (BLACKOPERATIONS?) mentioned on a forum once that someone might have the footage but I'd've thought it would've surfaced long before now if it was out there. Perhaps he could shed some light whenever he passes through here.
Quote from: Potier on March 22, 2014, 03:35:13 AM
Quote from: Cementimental on March 22, 2014, 12:49:16 AM
Sonically/atmosphere/words-wise, Brian Lewis Sander's set at "Extreme Rituals: A Schimpfluch Carnival" in bristol 2012 is the only noise show I've been to that nearly made me physically ill/have a panic attack
+1 on that one. Funny that this set comes up and funny that somebody actually felt they way that I felt. Something about the intensity/volume/visuals/delivery that was straight forward nauseating and intimidating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRP_YBWPqmE
and a +2 here
i actually had to walk out - i hadn't eaten properly, and the whole thing was just going through me. totally queasy and nauseating.
good work, son
from a different angle, the most violent shows i've been to have been rock shows
gigs by the Cows and Iron Monkey ending in fisticuffs and trashed gear
genicide organ in lille
- buring pictures of several famed holy cows
- fire on iron masks
- aggression to public
- unpc videos
from watching a few clips on YouTube i would say cock esp.
I really love these kind of executions of shows, sadly (or not sadly) I am pretty more and more bored of these "stand behind the laptop/effect pedals, and not move, or anything" perfomances year-by-year, so, It works for me...
But, to be really honest, I think most of these extreme perfomances nowadays are rarely reach a new level, even if they are good... Sure, some of the stuff always works, like fun with body fluids, humiliation, burning, take piss/cum/droll on picture of pet/children (...) etc:. , but I think if these things are still fit in the "what is law still accept" category, we can't talk something really extreme.
Even If it's change about, what country is, where the perfomance is it. I know that some people want some really fucked up stuff, but they have no guts, to do it... because they will end in a prison, or get stabbed after the perfomance.
Extremity have sometimes a negative effect on the perfomance, audience will more remember about the act, rather than the sound/lyrics... they will remember how fucked up it was, but nothing more... and it's not the perfomer's fault, it's just how it works.
I think Con-Dom was one of the best 'shocking' things what I've seen. Very unpredictable perfomance, a lot of memoriable stuff, close, in-your-face contact with the audience, very small avenue also helped this kind of situtation.. my friend recorded the whole live show, but he lost the tape somewhere... damn, I wish he could found it!
"Attacking the audience" is generally one of the lamest things around. The level of threat or extremity not reaching even a standard fist fight between drunkards at a regular hot-dog line in Finland at 4 am. Just out of courtesy towards the band and the performers those tough guys are not usually dealt with, but just looked at with amusement as they push and pull some unfortunate dude in the first row. Which reminds me of a funny story.
Around '93 I think, Impaled Nazarene (a band thought of as really "extreme" by some at the time in Finland) was playing live in Helsinki. During the gig the vocalist Mika gets into this kind of random 'fight' with someone in the audience and gives him a couple of punches. Possibly because it's an eye-opening situation for himself as well, not actually being any kind of tough warrior or anything, he gets all pumped up and starts yelling at the microphone: "if there is someone in the audience who wants more of this, just come one stage right now and I'll deliver!" OK then. Some 2 m tall guy just walks on stage, grabs him by the throat, and with one will aimed hit to the face makes the fucker go down. The rest of the band keeps watching with embarrassment as the vocalist is trying to collect his marbles. Exactly what should happen at every gig where people think their chest-drumming is making an impression, hah. But of course we're all decent, civilised people and we rather just sip a beer with slight amusement, and leave the tough-guy alone to be congratulated with some back-patting friends of his...
it could be worth defining a bit further what 'extreme' means here.
What do we mean by extreme performance? I think it is a term we ought to be careful of really...without wishing to be cynical, there are lots of convincing arguments for why the typical components of extremity as seen here - blood, violence, shit, piss etc - are really not that extreme anymore. Entertaining certainly! but perhaps just another strand of something we can reasonably expect from a certain kind of noise artist.
That said, I do understand the worth in picking out those who are making such performances within our own little fields. I am a big fan of more performative sets with noise/weirdo stuff...all the things I have seen which moved me most fall short of the typical things I have mentioned above, but might be considered extreme in that they initiate an experience very different to the usual polite spectatorship as a chap manipulates some gear.
I guess things that can safely be mentioned at this point would be....
Costes! has this been mentioned already? pretty obvious one I guess?
Damien Dubrovnik seem to have been getting into this kind of thing throughout their last several performances. I'm not so sure how well it always works but I'm always interested to see what they do next.
A lot of earlier Schimpfluch stuff would be prime candidates here I guess.
If nothing else, this thread is a nice chance to plug the work of YOL. I think some here will know him but most will not be fortunate enough to see him play. I'll link this one particular performance but all his videos are worth watching. Maybe some others (pete?) will be able to provide more/better examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJaRRjddRxM
I'm very interested in Death Squad/MK9 performances. I saw MK9 in Budapest and it's blew me away. Before it I didn't listen so much of his works but after it Death Squad/MK9 become my obsession. Please share your experience if you saw Death Squad or MK9. I would like to see photos where Mike pointing loaded gun to audience.
Death Squad - Live @ Freak Animal Festival 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSHQmmFlWpk&feature=youtu.be
Don't think such photos exist. MK9 has always been superior live. Themes work really well, and the act has been convincing and well executed. Always memorable gigs
Quote from: martialgodmask on March 22, 2014, 04:29:57 PM
I'm sure Gillham (BLACKOPERATIONS?) mentioned on a forum once that someone might have the footage but I'd've thought it would've surfaced long before now if it was out there. Perhaps he could shed some light whenever he passes through here.
no, unfortunately, there's no video footage (or audio either) of that hanatarash backhoe gig that i know of. maybe you are mixing up me possibly saying there must be video footage of the complete live 88 set or something? see clip on youtube. i guess alchemy were going to release it at some point but never did.
the full set of those backhoe gig pictures only surfaced a few years ago. only 2 or 3 of them had ever been seen before after appearing in japanese mags like fool's mate, sakevi's P.O.W, etc. gin satoh (who took them) published a book of his live band photos called 'tokyo rockers 1978-1986' in 2006 which also had some of them in.
http://www.discogs.com/Death-Squad-Intent/release/745439
ntcs version of the 'intent' vhs is on sale on discogs, which includes the video of the 'gun show'.
Quote from: F_c_O on March 24, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
http://www.discogs.com/Death-Squad-Intent/release/745439
ntcs version of the 'intent' vhs is on sale on discogs, which includes the video of the 'gun show'.
You can't really see anything in the video. I use to have it & from what I remember, he's sitting at a table with a lamp. He does something, knocks the lamp over, &
it goes dark so you can't see much other than, maybe, people moving away. I want to say he loads the handgun or does something with a syringe? I'm surprised the performance isn't on youtube.
Another DS video I had was a short film of a woman shooting up then passing out right before "THIS IS DEATHSQUAD" appears on the screen. The End. It was taped over
a children's video.
Quote from: blackoperations on March 24, 2014, 07:00:16 AM
Quote from: martialgodmask on March 22, 2014, 04:29:57 PM
I'm sure Gillham (BLACKOPERATIONS?) mentioned on a forum once that someone might have the footage but I'd've thought it would've surfaced long before now if it was out there. Perhaps he could shed some light whenever he passes through here.
no, unfortunately, there's no video footage (or audio either) of that hanatarash backhoe gig that i know of. maybe you are mixing up me possibly saying there must be video footage of the complete live 88 set or something? see clip on youtube. i guess alchemy were going to release it at some point but never did.
the full set of those backhoe gig pictures only surfaced a few years ago. only 2 or 3 of them had ever been seen before after appearing with hanatarash articles in japanese mags like sakevi's P.O.W, etc. gin satoh (who took them) published a book of his live band photos called 'tokyo rockers 1978-1986' in 2006 which also had some of them in.
Possibly, I've been on a couple of the same forums as you for a few years so there's every chance I've read something you've said and am making it fit now ha! Thanks for the clarification though.
Quote from: F_c_O on March 24, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
http://www.discogs.com/Death-Squad-Intent/release/745439
ntcs version of the 'intent' vhs is on sale on discogs, which includes the video of the 'gun show'.
My VHS player is dead for years, also I don't have tv... Somebody should re-release it on dvd. Anyway, I will buy that VHS for a collection when I get some money. Thank you for letting me know for it.
(http://www.ishitnoise.com/wiki/images/5/52/Eraritjaritjaka2.jpg)
Back when Peter Sotos was sulking at Whitehouse he wrote some very dismissive and funny stuff about how the entire attitude of 'extreme power electronics' could be traced back to the Grand Guignol shock rock of Alice Cooper's theatrical 1970s stage shows. Here's a clip from just a few years ago which is quite amusing - imagine doing this stuff for forty years, and apparently it's his daughter playing the battered wife here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A19hAu_qPb8
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 24, 2014, 08:40:29 PM
Quote from: F_c_O on March 24, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
http://www.discogs.com/Death-Squad-Intent/release/745439
ntcs version of the 'intent' vhs is on sale on discogs, which includes the video of the 'gun show'.
You can't really see anything in the video. I use to have it & from what I remember, he's sitting at a table with a lamp. He does something, knocks the lamp over, &
it goes dark so you can't see much other than, maybe, people moving away. I want to say he loads the handgun or does something with a syringe? I'm surprised the performance isn't on youtube.
if i remember correctly he sits at the desk, shoots up, loads the gun and then walks out of frame into the audience. you're right though, after he moves away from the desk you can't really see anything but the occasional person running for their life. good performance, though. i just wish there was either more than one camera, or that the one camera they had wasn't a static shot.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 25, 2014, 02:15:45 PMthe entire attitude of 'extreme power electronics' could be traced back to the Grand Guignol shock rock of Alice Cooper's theatrical 1970s stage shows.
There's something to be said for Power Electronics embracing obvious theatricality. In a genre where most of the projects have, at most, two people, it's difficult to get a full-on stage show like that, but it would be very interesting to see it attempted.
Quote from: Salamanauhat on March 23, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
"Attacking the audience" is generally one of the lamest things around.
Depends on the context. At a Finnish PE gig, probably. But I've found that people can and do react quite shockingly to even reports of physical attacks at gigs. As I think I've mentioned before, the most typical tropes are often re-used simply because they work.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on March 26, 2014, 02:53:00 AM
There's something to be said for Power Electronics embracing obvious theatricality. In a genre where most of the projects have, at most, two people, it's difficult to get a full-on stage show like that, but it would be very interesting to see it attempted.
tried in the past, having figurants on stage doing semi static human sculptures... worked the first two times, but then sort of got bored about it and went back to the in your stage approach.
a good video was enough... but I really enjoyed when i saw more complex performances:
ccc cnc ncn, laibach, aske, GO, ecc they were all amazing...
haven't witnessed anything extreme at a show of any kind personally...
too bad the EUGENICS COUNCIL + VIODRE tour was a year or two before my introduction to the Viodre crew... from what i was told there was lots of power tools amongst an array of other dangerous objects, and at the hands of equally dangerous personalities... a fellow in texas had a hand cut in half when he got to close to Vibg's circular saw... at a new york show featuring THE HATERS he supposodly jumped several stories off of a rooftop... there are a lot of good stories from that time period, though its really not my place to recount details that are not even my own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rc7n6HMODg
Doesn't IRM have graphic performances?
Quote from: Salamanauhat on March 23, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
"Attacking the audience" is generally one of the lamest things around.
when i was doing live shows "Attacking the audience" was more of fun then anything else. when you know the whole crowd how can you really "attack" them.& honestly during the sets i would prefer if the crowd was attacking me more then me attacking them.it happened at dead audio,people were hitting me from all over and i couldnt see anything.
i started doing it out of being bored because EVERYONE standing behind a table and looking down.
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on March 26, 2014, 05:24:18 PM
Doesn't IRM have graphic performances?
I have seen some pics where Martin cuts himself on stage plus he has also done some solo performances with intestines etc.
Just finished watching the Death Squad - Intent vhs. The Intent (gun show) was filmed pretty much directly from back of the audience, giving quite good view on the stage. According to the insert the filming of the event wasn't planned and this probably contributed to the fact that it was filmed only on one camera and you can't really see what happens in audience (also, the camera man didnt have a clue what was going to happen during the show). The camera itself was brought for some other act of the evening. The gig itself consist of two backing videos playing in dark for some time after which m9 puts on the desk lamp and proceeds to inject himself with something. After that he cuts himself, loads the gun and sits there and suddenly pushes the table down and walks into the audience with the gun. After this point one cannot make out what actually happens in the audience. Some people leave but certainly doesnt run away, more like walk silently (probably didnt want to make sudden moves around a guy with a loaded gun who might also be high on drugs!). After a while M9 leaves the stage, the backing films end and people clap. The end.
Despite the fact that viewer can't see what happens in audience, I enjoyed this video greatly.
The vhs also contains what discogs bills as last performance of Death Squad but it seems to be only the backing video for the event. Without going in deeper details, its awesome.
The package came with lots of flyers/inserts and couple of emails about the intent show, one calling it going way over the top and the kind of thing that ruins noise/performance art in usa. Might type them to here sometime as they are quite funny reading.
Never heard enough DEATH SQUAD in the 90s, etc. so I went on a DEATH SQUAD tear last year grabbing a pile of the reissue CDs from FA. Amazing amazing concentrated material. Was talking about my admiration for DEATH SQUAD in Milwaukee with Vertonen... when i got home he promptly sent me a pile of rare DEATH SQUAD releases he had lying around collecting dust including the VHS tape package. Yes - the VHS tape is well worth the watch. Powerful static presentation.