Noise about the internet?

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, January 15, 2026, 12:18:48 PM

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I was reading curious essays from UNTITLED issue 11 (fall 2025) that had bunch of texts filed under common headline Noise and online life as subject matter. There are interesting points made in four different takes about it, but most of all, I found myself almost amused to think how diametrically different feelings I would have about it.

As example, I don't share sort of nostalgia about shopping malls like Chris Gibson does. Indeed, the decayed malls are somewhat interesting reminder of changing lifestyles of people, yet I never understood the idea of "hanging out at mall". I always associated that the UG misfits of all kind, pretty much loathed the idea of spending your free time... at the mall? When just about entire world is out there, it would seems like example of simple minded mainstream kids to have no other idea than.. "lets meet at the mall". Yet, in context of noise and in context of quickly decaying form of society, of course it has interesting elements.

However, more curious I felt about mr. Henteleff text titled "Noise about the internet". I have to recommend buying the zine, as I can't really cut & paste or elaborate all the ideas of the piece. What captured my attention, enough to actually read it twice, just to make sure I did got the main points right... was that it really does conclude that:

QuotePeople are naturally drawn towards art that reflects and gives meaning to their experiences. As the internet's share of our lives grows, creative works that incorporate it effectively  will become more relevant, and those that do not will seem antiquated. It is therefore essential that, if this thing we like is to continue being important to us, it takes on subject matter that is significant to us. Otherwise, we will move on and Noise will be left as a novelty.

Text does mention noise does incorporate elements synonymous with being online. I am wondering that is really non-internet, non-virtual antiquated? For me, perhaps due elements of industrial culture, noise is associated with critic to contemporary society and what constitutes as expected lifestyle. I see more and more noise folks that actually drop out. Especially they drop out of social media, but also highly limit their screen time and experiences. Dropping out from consuming internet streams, and so on on and...

They do it exactly for reason that internet share of our lives grows, and most often has become counterproductive in terms of experience.

In recent times, it was largely discussed how all the hit art exhibitions in Finland were the ones, that museum not only had something visually suitable for social media, but actively encouraged people to do so. Pieces that can be experienced in form of someone posting selfie to IG, with that particular cool piece seen simultaneously. In some ways, it was success. A lot of people coming in. A lot of people enjoying. A lot of media attention. Free-of-charge street team of people promoting the exhibition. Problem was mainly, that this approach was counterproductive towards art that is meant to be experienced, thought of, not manifesting itself in tiny phone screen size image. Many argued that art got lost into this somewhat meaningless media consumption. Suddenly it was more about people posting selfies online, display of being there, and people watching online this happening, while amount of people who would go to experience art was way smaller than amount of people who are more or less "content creators" for internet.

I always considered noise as extensions of something real. As ways of making it, being physical, concrete, something you invested time, energy and commitment. As listener, you'd dive deep, indeed like the essay says "being drawn towards art that reflects and gives meaning". I know some people prefer dreaming or escapism etc, I have noticed more the opposite? Escapism often endorses turning away from real life; opposite comes with finding the meaning, light and beauty within what one felt like escaping from OR creating the new reality. Within noise, many times, there is the new, preferably non-virtual life. Some have social life there, some don't. For some it connects to their lifestyles, surroundings etc.

I am sure there are ton of people who lives lifestyle where internet really is what gives the meaning. I just can't really get it and I see a lot of people who appear to be the same. None of them really die hard luddites or antiquated. Many appear more like... progressed. Seeing how internet share of live is already too much and to give all the rest to it, is not going backwards or staying behind, but progress.

If I see band or artist address internet as topic or theme, it is largely turn off. One that did make me wonder was one of the ideas why internet experience as topic of noise might be less popular was hypothesis that Noise is relative unpopular, so there are fewer people coming into the genre with new ideas.

Aaarrggg... I mean, internet experience as idea, I would assume that big part of pornographic noise is exactly that? There is a lot of internet experience as intrinsic quality of noise themes, yet I would assume its like artists who got into topic from book, despite THE BOOK as topic could be done, but most often what really matter is what is inside the book, not book as format and as means of experiencing the world?

Anyways, long rant, but points: Untitled #11 - recommended!  Internet experience as topic of noise, opinions?
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It's an interesting topic to ponder on.  I haven't much time to comment deeper for now, but will say that I have seen some artists who take the experiences of being online and incorporate it to noise in a way that is tasteful to tradition.

Deep Gray is a really good example of this.  Untitled CDr that he self-released apparently is largely composed of quick-scrolling through his Tik-Tok feed and sending it into a setup.  It's a pretty neat way to take an experience that many already describe as "an assault to the senses" and then assault it either further.  How can we enjoy Tik Tok scrolling when it's run through various pedals, but not when it's raw and unexposed to those conditions?

Fricker is another artist who has really done some effective work with perverting the internet in his own way.  I won't divulge much on what I know of the artist and his viewing habits, but it seems like much of his sound source can be derived from many restless nights of being plugged into the internet and "doom scrolling" until you lose track of time.  Then, you run them into the Fricker machine and it is nothing close to its internet origins.  Even on a visual standpoint, there are a lot of clearly digital image packs being used, but they are from such an older time in the internet's history that they come off as very archaic and out of place on any other front of noise, whether it be analogue or the modern digital. 

Just two interesting points of reference that I have seen interact with the internet in a really intriguing manner.

I find these two to be pretty interesting contrasts
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host body

I can't remember who but I did see a noise gig with TikTok videos as visuals. Not a fan.

DBL

Quote from: host body on January 15, 2026, 11:09:56 PMI can't remember who but I did see a noise gig with TikTok videos as visuals. Not a fan.
I remember seeing comments of Rotat using tiktok clips, might've been that?

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Quote from: DBL on January 15, 2026, 11:56:23 PM
Quote from: host body on January 15, 2026, 11:09:56 PMI can't remember who but I did see a noise gig with TikTok videos as visuals. Not a fan.
I remember seeing comments of Rotat using tiktok clips, might've been that?

Yeah think so

Vermin Marvin

Quote from: host body on Today at 01:41:35 AM
Quote from: DBL on January 15, 2026, 11:56:23 PM
Quote from: host body on January 15, 2026, 11:09:56 PMI can't remember who but I did see a noise gig with TikTok videos as visuals. Not a fan.
I remember seeing comments of Rotat using tiktok clips, might've been that?

Yeah think so

I am doom scroller and use internet too much i admit that and i use everything i find interesting on my works and even 99% is shit and TikTok is a boomer place already there are some golden moments besides cat videos.
Was not meant to be commercial to TT but it cause feelings so i think video serve its purpose.





Vrenndel

I'm not sure if I got this right, since there's probably a bunch of different topics that could be evoked - not sure if in this forum or elsewhere, but anyway, here's my thoughts, solely based on the little I could think of when it comes to internet as noise material in terms of theme sources and so on...

Internet itself can indeed be a useful source to find material that can eventually be discussed, criticized, glorified, and so on... when you do not have access to physical material elsewhere. Where I live, I'm quite blessed to have access to a huge local library with tons of interesting stuff, for sure, but in many cases, probably not the kind of stuff I would really be interested in. Not a cultural fault, not a political choice, I guess, but rather something else: some things can't be found easily. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I still haven't a correct answer, and I guess it doesn't really matter. Personally, I like to dig and strive for informations, and in a lot of cases, I do really like asking people who probably know better than me about certain subjects. Interesting conversations, it's fun, and so on.

Anyway, I guess my thoughts have been quickly influenced by the Tiktok videos comment above: social networks, platforms, or whatever they're called now, can easily become a very interesting source of material when it comes to illustrating decay in its various shapes. Think about the ton of shit we do swallow everyday for a reason or another, and I can only think of Instagram since I haven't even tried to adventure myself into other modern digital cesspools. I have friends being addicted to this stuff - I don't know if the term "doom scrolling" is appropriate in this case. Let's say they won't stop scrolling and sharing whatever they see everyday, at every moment, at hours I would normally think of them working or something. What a life ! This said, if I try to think about it in a critical and objective way, i think it can be interesting to use said content for noise if your artistic output or aim is to use that specifically. The content, the source, the theme is what it is. What's important is how you use it, how you decline it and deform it even.

I can't remember if it was on this forum or elsewhere that I read about the main idea behind Power Electronics being to divert things from their original essence. I used to do that for a lot of collage work years ago, and I think it can be interesting when it applies to this kind of art too. Just a few moments ago I was reading the comment section about the GO samples and I thought the same thing: the source is what it is. When you don't know about it, you're gonna ask yourself what it is about. A song title can eventually give a hint about what it is. Maybe not. What's the real aim? What's the objective?

To be honest, my thoughts aren't that clear and organized about this, but I'm almost certain someone else will probably understand, more or less.

Stipsi

Quote from: Vermin Marvin on Today at 06:50:58 AM
Quote from: host body on Today at 01:41:35 AM
Quote from: DBL on January 15, 2026, 11:56:23 PM
Quote from: host body on January 15, 2026, 11:09:56 PMI can't remember who but I did see a noise gig with TikTok videos as visuals. Not a fan.
I remember seeing comments of Rotat using tiktok clips, might've been that?

Yeah think so

I am doom scroller and use internet too much i admit that and i use everything i find interesting on my works and even 99% is shit and TikTok is a boomer place already there are some golden moments besides cat videos.
Was not meant to be commercial to TT but it cause feelings so i think video serve its purpose.






Totally agree.
TikTok and other social medias are a cesspool nowadays and you can find a lot of stuff even worse than in the dark web
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