C10 noise Why bother.

[slagfrenzy tapes]

I'm curious about these noise cassettes that are C10/C20/etc..
Mainly, what's the point.
Can't these fellas do more than, say five minutes? Hey, go hard, go for 30 minutes, let's see what you're made of..
I'm seeing these C10 etc as a waste of plastic/advertising.
Like I said, I'm curious about the idea behind this...

[NaturalOrthodoxy]

I feel like this is a curious perspective in a genre which so regularly defies convention and redefines the idea of a musical product. I understand your perspective for sure, but also we have tapes that include rusted razorblades, releases that are a literal bag of dirt with no music included, vinyl packaged in human shit... it's almost a similar argument to that guy complaining about his Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement tape punting itself as two tracks rather than a repeated program.

Even the hardest, bluntest, most aggressive noise could still arguably fall under the 'experimental' banner and would surely mean all bets are off with regards to what would define a "worthwhile" release

[slagfrenzy tapes]

Cheers. Good answer, made me think.
I was thinking about weather its become acceptable to drop short tapes, ie if I'm demanding too much. If some commercialism has crept in...
Not happy about how weather is spelt...

[NaturalOrthodoxy]

I think another point would be I'd rather hear 5 minutes of good noise than 30 mins of filler

[PedestrianOrgans]

I think another point would be I'd rather hear 5 minutes of good noise than 30 mins of filler

This sentiment is the most potent reasoning for short tapes. Noise and PE just as they manifest can be perfectly well fleshed out over a few minutes, and I can think of numerous examples of c10-20s that make much better use of the requisite plastic than a lot of longer recordings.

[burdizzo]

Personally I PREFER short tapes. Long tapes, you often don't know where you are, and as the other fella said, if you can't do some good noise in 10 minutes, then you won't do it over half an hour. Plus, a 10-15 mins blast of good strong noise is often enough.

Not happy about how weather is spelt...

It's "whether", by the way. "Weather" is stuff falling from the sky, while a "wether" is a castrated sheep!

[Theodore]

if you can't do some good noise in 10 minutes, then you won't do it over half an hour.

Agree. But you will agree too that if you can do good noise for 10 minutes then you can do it for longer too. Or again, a next time, soon.

C10 is too short. Sold at the price of an album CS. If it is for a C10 then better be your absolute ripping stuff. Unless it's an one-off project, a special edition, a fundraising release, or noisecore. - Why not to wait till you have more recorded material for a proper release ? Or why to split your material to C10 tapes ? Would you guys buy 5xC10 in a year from the same artist ? Thankfully, C10 are not often, but if we all start saying "They are OK, the best etc." , who knows in the future ...

C20 is OK, two 10min harsh noise pieces for example, hm fine !

[Strangecross]

c10 was a condition of the early 2000's American noise and very specific to a feeling back then, I believe. Who is putting them out right now? (real question)

do you listen to 7"'s?

[Theodore]

I dont know any artist or label that releases C10 systematicaly. There are sporadic C10 releases though, they have not disappeared, but are rare, so i believe complaining about them nowdays is meaningless, pointless. I only reacted cause i saw all comments supporting them, which i dont. I dont want C10 to become often. Not for any other reason than simply financial ! Will a C10 be sold for 3EUR ? Great then, i am all in. - 7" doesnt cost the price of an LP.

[Strangecross]

you essentially sound like the guy complaining about rainforest spiritual enslavement and hospital. sorry! does it take less mental, physical, and financial effort to release a c10???makes you wonder, what is the real issue? what exactly am I paying for when I buy a 10 lp box?

[vomitgore]

you essentially sound like the guy complaining about rainforest spiritual enslavement and hospital. sorry! does it take less mental, physical, and financial effort to release a c10???makes you wonder, what is the real issue? what exactly am I paying for when I buy a 10 lp box?

Is that the lad who did the videos on YouTube?

Re topic: I actually think short formats can be really cool. Having ultra strong 10 minutes seems better than having 50 minutes of which 30 minutes are of lower quality (or even filler material)

[Strangecross]

I also have c10s that I don't find the 'noise' to be very strong, but just appreciate the ideas behind the release. Lets take for example Prurient's 'African Division' c10. where actually, the shitty recording quality adds to the total effect of the release, encompassing the hand drawn art, basically just 'doodles'. but the feeling of the release is so evil. Something someone who is not familiar with industrial culture may look at and think, what the fuck is this. It has such a perverted quality to it, which gives it value beyond how it sounds. Plenty of releases that are longer duration don't have the feeling of mental instability that I seek in noise over the format. 'hell is real'

[Theodore]

The price one sells his product it's up to him, and it's up to me if i will buy it or not. I dont argue about that. Neither actualy complaining. I just told my opinion.

you essentially sound like the guy complaining about rainforest spiritual enslavement and hospital.

This is a harsh unfair strike haha.

[Strangecross]

This is a harsh unfair strike haha.

yes, it is.
The guy from the youtube videos was saying that he wanted to keep the releases, but thought that he deserved a prorated refund based on the idea that he thought he was paying for something other than 'ideas,' which I see as similar to saying, a c10 should be 3euros, rather than __euros... because, why exactly?
but I was joking, I won't burn you like that.

[PTM Jim]

C10s are one of my favorites. They are like a 7". A small concept that doesn't necessarily warrant a full length's worth of material or ideas.
Noise is not just about the sound; concept and packaging are half the battle (be it highly conceptual vs no concept or elaborate packaging vs standard j-case. All of that should be considered when releasing something.)
C10s aren't that much cheaper than doing a C30, just as 7"s aren't much cheaper than doing an LP (they are about 70% the price)