WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST

[Skin Flick]

Good episode.

It is funny to see reaction about being banned from Discogs. When for a lot of bands it is almost automatic. Or expected. And think something like Interracial Sex being banned from discogs being... crazy... hmm.. how? haha!

Question of race. I have talked about this before many times and when attempting to explain how Americans often appear to have pretty much pathological relationship with race, seems impossible to explain. I don't see Oscar explaining I.S. race doesn't exist. It is taken as granted, I suppose.
 
Little amusing are small things like the talk about whether blatant racists could like and appreciate I.S. or not. Seems to me almost as dumb question as discussing if vehemently heterosexuals, even to level of anti-pride agenda dudes, could like and enjoy BLJ. Man, industrial noise! Of course they can. I can't speak for others, obviously, but saying word nigger is barely a huge selling point. There can be merely appreciation for artistic integrity and honesty or merely liking quality of expression.

Someone could perhaps even remind neat story from Olympics of 1936. German leader stood up and waved hand for black American for being the best in the game, which is indeed in lines of appreciation of skill and strength - appreciation of the greatness. American leaders didn't even bother to congratulate one of their own, and this was that hurt the winning athlete. Sometimes it seems attitudes or behavior of humans remains mystery for people who have fixed ideas.

It is amazing any other topic in underground culture is just fine to be vague, but like this interview mentions, this one topic remains taboo in a way that there is strong demand to "get in the line, or else"...

Never seen single negative discussion about I.S.  Must be reddit or aggro emotional social media? I do not doubt it exists, just never seen any negative discussions. Only appreciation and strong label support.

Reminds me of the reaction to the first couple of Liver Mortis live pics that came out. I think someone here actually asked if "it was true LM is black". I remember when I initially got into IS and I figured it was a white dude behind it. Then he played close to home...and I mistakenly thought the guy he did a collab with during the set was behind IS.

[xdementia]

Question of race. I have talked about this before many times and when attempting to explain how Americans often appear to have pretty much pathological relationship with race, seems impossible to explain. I don't see Oscar explaining I.S. race doesn't exist. It is taken as granted, I suppose.

We had slavery, and after that segregation, Jim Crow laws etc. Most black Americans didn't have the right to vote until 1965.

In other words, there are plenty of people alive and well in the US that didn't have the right to vote when they were born. The combination of these things caused generational fallout economically, educationally, and status wise for black Americans that don't just effect them in the present but will for future generations.

That is the reason why race is such a big deal in the USA. In addition to the fact that the country was founded on genocide, but that is a whole other story.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I mean impossible to explain to American. Of course we all know historical background. It is impossible to not to know it. However, it seems different thing than to live within that reality, than look it as outsider.

[Zeno Marx]

I mean impossible to explain to American. Of course we all know historical background. It is impossible to not to know it. However, it seems different thing than to live within that reality, than look it as outsider.

I don't think it is possible for an outsider to understand.  I don't think we fully understand it ourselves, either.  of course, we understand the history (what little of it we're exposed to), but the push/pull, cause/effect, and recognition/solution/execution are rarely (maybe never?) rationally based, so it's trying to assign things that are misaligned to one another.  Even here, I'm fumbling words.  Both the Right and the Left bring such fucked baggage to the table that the yield is just more confusion and emotion.  I can't imagine people outside it even beginning to understand it, and if you're from a monoethnic region (I grew up in one too), you're better off grappling with string theory.

[Into_The_Void]

It was a really interesting interview. I was also quite astonished while listening to the whole discussion about race, and actually a bit surprised that he hasn't been, to a certain level, "racist" himself in his musical content. It was an exciting insight for sure.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I think term racists is not always good to use as it will simplify interesting topic. I liked that I.S. was talking that his releases were often meant to create... hmm. Was it discomfort? There are releases that most likely people will avoid simply because they appear so outrageous and offensive. 

Things live slavery or "not being able to vote" etc, are curious elements, since if one starts to study history, or view global world with interest, one may start to notice so many interesting things.

Nowadays especially in "enlightened circles" self loathing approach is very popular. Even in Finland there has been this growing phenomena on kind of joining into competition confessing old sins. We have no colonial history nor we took part of Atlantic slavetrade, but it has been argued Finns submitted tar to boats used in slave trade. Indeed, yet Finland was at the time colonial land itself.

During Great Wrath (1713 – 1721), almost 10% of Finn population was abducted and taken as slaves. It is one of the largest number of slaves, if measuring size of population. I don't think there has been any finn noise/pe that acknowledges the history. I doubt there is relevance for anyone outside Finland. In case of finn slave trade, it was most definitely question of race & religion, kind of trad subjects of industrial culture. I would merely suspect that over here, most rather remember victorious part of history as identity.

[NedOik]

America is an odd place, I read recently that a large percentage of US teachers believe students should be taught that slavery's legacy still affects Black Americans today. So you wonder why this perpetuates itself. "History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake."

[Duncan]

America is an odd place, I read recently that a large percentage of US teachers believe students should be taught that slavery's legacy still affects Black Americans today. So you wonder why this perpetuates itself. "History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake."

Is there a possibility that they think this because their experience and perception of living in American society tells them it's true?

[NedOik]

America is an odd place, I read recently that a large percentage of US teachers believe students should be taught that slavery's legacy still affects Black Americans today. So you wonder why this perpetuates itself. "History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake."

Is there a possibility that they think this because their experience and perception of living in American society tells them it's true?

I think the point I was making has been slighlty missed. It was that a substantial proportion of teachers appear to believe students should be taught what to think, rather than presented with the historical evidence and encouraged to draw their own conclusions.

[Theodore]

All I know is that when you feel and present yourself like a victim, you will always be the victim.

Slavery ? OK. Nations in Balkans we were under Ottoman Empire for 4 centuries. After liberation, national and civil wars have been our favorite sport. We move on, and try to improve everytime with any means we have.

Excuses, even if true, are a mindset. Wrong mindset.

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Dan Greenwood of DIAGRAM: A is a legend of American noise known for his mutant machine aesthetic of self built electronics and fleshy materials. He was a member of PROOF OF THE SHOOTING and formed the influential label Sound Probe in the early 90s. Dan continues on living and breathing noise to this day, with frequent shows and tours around the United States.

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[FreakAnimalFinland]

Nice interview. I have no clear memories how and to what extent I was in touch with this label, but I have so many of the early special edition tapes that must be direct contact and perhaps quite extensive too. But indeed, that's like 30 years ago, so perhaps normal to lose some of the details.

This stuff belongs to time, when so many of the noise tapes were "special editions". Nowadays when a lot of stuff is made for sale and a lot of artists and label bosses as well as dealers have shelves, rooms, even houses cluttered with stuff, I think there is less of oversized and strange packaging out there. Pro-manufactured stuff way more usual thing. Digipak CD's, factory made regular LP's and so on. Back then entire noise scene appeared to revolve around strange packaging and to adopt such route didn't feel strange, more like route how it is done?

Thinking like GROSS, MSBR, MSNP, Stinky Horse Fuckers, Banned Prod, RRR's oddities, Self Abuse oddities, American tapes, early Hospital prod, Spastik Soniks, Tesco, some Old Europa Cafe tapes, PDB, etc etc... 

From point of view of distributor, I am not hugely excited by oversized, fragile, heavy weight, etc... but as a fan, I do miss at times the special covers, innovative packaging, strange objects and so on.