Reissues

Started by KMusselman, January 30, 2012, 09:39:16 PM

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Steve

Yeah, I'm getting nothing from googling "Obtusive Remastering"...can someone help here?

ConcreteMascara

It's a play on words. Obtuse can mean dull or insensitive, so we are talking about remastering that is dull, insensitive to the original or blunts the original mastering.
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acsenger

It seems the opinions here are mainly those of more or less "serious" collectors -- people who have rare original stuff from, say, the 80s, or people who are focused on a certain genre or genres and have a nice collection of releases from that genre/genres. But I guess there are also people like me who never got around to owning what's considered collectible nowadays (like 80s PE/industrial or obscure tapes of 90s Jap noise) due to various reasons (they were too young when these releases came out/didn't have the money for them/don't have the money now/didn't know about the scene in such depth etc.) and are also not collectors who focus on a genre so in depth.
I myself like a fair amount of different musical styles and can't afford to focus on any of them in particular in terms of buying releases. For example, as much as I'd like to buy some Whitehouse CDs (the highest priority being New Britain and Buchenwald) or some classic 90s-era Merzbow (Green Wheels, Noisembryo), for the price I'd be buying them for I could buy several more Univers Zero CDs (a current favourite of mine) or Creel Pone CDs. So because I don't have a lot of money to spend on music, I have to rationalize -- and I'll buy stuff that's cheaper, knowing I'll like it the same as I would the more expensive stuff. I suppose I'm not alone with this.
It also follows there are releases that, as much as I'd like to buy them, are way out of my price league, and so in the foreseeable future I won't be buying them. A good example is the VoD releases. I'd love to have them because I could explore new bands and artists, but for the price of one release (doesn't matter how many LPs it consists of) I could buy way more CDs (buying vinyl is rare for me due to brutal shipping costs to Australia... as for tapes, I haven't dared venture into that world as there are too many CDs to buy as it is).

Goat93

acsenger

Try Different Shop Options, like Ebay or Discogs ect ect. With this i bought many Whitehouse and Merzbow CD/LP Stuff for Cheap prices over the Years. 2nd Hand Buying is generelly a good Option to get your Wants. But be patient, the Stuff will Pop Up in Times, most people want the Stuff now and so the Prices rises to Insane Dimensions.

Brad

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For bands like Whitehouse, the albums in my collection are basically whatever random albums I've found at reasonable prices over the years.  In 2010, a popular online shop was selling Halogen, Mummy and Daddy and Bird Seed new for $10 each, so I ordered them.  They're sold out now, of course.  

FreakAnimalFinland

I don't think many Susan Lawly regular CD's are hard task? Of course one would hope label would re-press the titles, since there obviously is endless demand. Perhaps small, but still always there.
meanwhile.. you know, www.discogs.com
check Susan Lawly, click releases for sale... lets see..
Halogen 6 euro.
Mommy & daddy 9 euro
Birthdeah experience 12 euro
Erector 12 euro
Buchenwald 16 euro
... of course little by little you get to 20,- /each CD rates, which is still pretty much what they used to cost anyway. And, lets say any Whitehouse is 20,- good if one can just afford 20,- 
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acsenger

I got carried away by saying I could buy several other CDs for the price of a Whitehouse CD, because indeed many of them are available for decent prices, but the one I really want, New Britain, is going for shocking prices at the moment: Susan Lawly doesn't have it, Ebay has one for $150 and Discogs has one for 45 euros. Of course, I know that I have to be patient as it will probably turn up for a more decent price sooner or later, and there are probably other websites to check that I don't know about. But what I'm saying is even if I could buy it now for, say, $35 including postage, I wouldn't. $35 is probably a price many collectors wouldn't consider a lot, but I personally couldn't justify spending it on one CD when I could buy two others for that amount. I don't really have albums that I listen to every couple weeks, so for me a CD just can't be that good.

I hope thinking this way will keep me from becoming like one of the characters in the film Vinyl :)...

Goat93

Quote from: acsenger on February 13, 2012, 07:33:36 AM
I got carried away by saying I could buy several other CDs for the price of a Whitehouse CD, because indeed many of them are available for decent prices, but the one I really want, New Britain, is going for shocking prices at the moment: Susan Lawly doesn't have it, Ebay has one for $150 and Discogs has one for 45 euros. Of course, I know that I have to be patient as it will probably turn up for a more decent price sooner or later, and there are probably other websites to check that I don't know about. But what I'm saying is even if I could buy it now for, say, $35 including postage, I wouldn't. $35 is probably a price many collectors wouldn't consider a lot, but I personally couldn't justify spending it on one CD when I could buy two others for that amount. I don't really have albums that I listen to every couple weeks, so for me a CD just can't be that good.

I hope thinking this way will keep me from becoming like one of the characters in the film Vinyl :)...

i bought mine for 5e together with a Whitehouse Lot on Ebay some Years ago. Were 6 or 7 CD's, at all each one 5€. Be Patient and you will get it, since the Whitehouse CDs are only "out of stock" but not "limited". So they will be repressed for sure.
Or try to Trade for other Stuff you don't like anymore, its often easier to Trade than to Buy.

audiodissection

i have no problems with reissues if properly done. Most of the times i ended up buying the reissues even if i have the originals. CD reissue of tapes and vinyls preserve the original from heavy playing degradation etc. Other times i enjoy to hear the same material on different formats and sometimes i can say it's worth having both. For example Macro "Pittsburgh, PA" is worth on LP, CD and on tape too!

ARKHE

Haven't read all posts, but most pros and cons have already been covered I guess. Being highly uninterested in owning the "proper" edition of a release, I lack everything needed to become a collector (especially the economy). As long as I own one copy of an official release, I'm fine. Re-releasing long since OOP material, be it a GREY WOLVES tape or some obscure psych rock album is always a good thing, as long as it's done according to the original creator's wishes (that is, not corrupting the original work completely, which a lot of re-issues do, especially in the traditional rock genre; my copy of Black Sabbath's TYR album released by the Classic Rock magazine is atrocious).

One post that caught my mind was Mikko's mentioning of reissues as often being documents of a work rather than the work itself (though theoretically the physical release might in itself be considered a document of a musical performance), which is true for most re-issues of classic prog rock for example, with extensive archive material (news clippings, never before seen photos), extensive liner-notes by witty music journalists (if you're lucky, by someone in the band), and worst of all, a long row of alternate takes and live tracks. Of course, it's hit and miss; some of it might be very interesting (b-sides and unreleased songs for example), but how many versions of Angel Dust do you need, when all you want is the proper Black Metal album? What I dislike the most is when the original liner-notes & artwork isn't featured at all. Not that a gatefold compressed into a cd booklet spread gives away much; rather do a completely new layout, with the original information still present. Too bad that a lot of these 70's reissues (besides perhaps the first cd prints from the late 80's which didn't have this archive/document mindset yet) are done in "classics series" with the same bland layout for all the albums reissued, even by different bands. Most of all when the booklet contains information about other releases in the series (Charly reissues of Magma albums come to mind... awful, especially since they are known rip-offs that won't pay the musicians a dime in royalties).

Fortunately, noise & industrial seems to generally have much better taste. IR is a good example, as is the Hospital reissue of Grey Wolves, of a more archival mindset - the original crude tape layout preserved. Either that, or a completely new envisioning of the original work (in cooperation with the artist, preferably).   
The latter might be more interesting from an artistic point of view. Soundwise I don't really care, as long as it's somewhat close to the original. If there is a change in format, the sound will be different either way. I'd get as much out of a King Crimson album on a second hand tape as this monster: http://www.discogs.com/King-Crimson-In-The-Court-Of-The-Crimson-King-An-Observation-By-King-Crimson/release/1967769

Zeno Marx

"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

ARKHE

Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 16, 2012, 06:27:19 AM
Quote from: ARKHE on February 15, 2012, 10:37:31 PMI'd get as much out of a King Crimson album on a second hand tape as this monster: http://www.discogs.com/King-Crimson-In-The-Court-Of-The-Crimson-King-An-Observation-By-King-Crimson/release/1967769
hold on now

OK maybe that's stretching it. But I'm not upgrading my Indonesian tape version of Manowar's Kings of Metal (licensed, so it's an official release) for some fancy-ass remastered 2012 vinyl. The older the copy the better. But that's straying from the main subject reissues.

jake

Is there anyone putting out strictly cassette reissues of classics in noise/industrial/PE in the vein of the Industrial Recollections reissues? Would love to have some reasonable priced, well-duplicated, simple j-card versions of certain releases.

P-K

Klanggalerie reissues Korpses Katatonik......so i don't have to pay 60euro's for the Staalplaat cd lol

ConcreteMascara

For those people who follow Vinyl-on-Demand... I was thinking about getting the Mark Lane 2xLP. Worth picking up? I've only heard a little bit of his stuff but I really like all that I've heard. In general I'm a big fan of the whole minimal synth/wave/coldwave type shit.
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