CHANGE OF CLIMATE IN NOISE / SOCIAL FACTOR / GENERATION ME

[Andrew McIntosh]

Whats funny is hardcore punk bands that adopted the power electronics attitude

The impression this outsider is getting is that it's the other way around - hardcore kids getting into PE and taking their pretensions with them.

Mysterious Guy hardcore

The "mysterious guy hardcore phenomena" is one of the stupidest micro-trends I've ever seen.

This is an international forum, folks - please don't assume everyone in the world knows what's going on in your region's backyards.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I had never heard of "mysterious guy hardcore" either, but when listening to Sex Vid or Cult Ritual, I don't see any point of having even new genre there.
There's been plenty of punk and noiserock and hardcore with dark and mysterious topics.

[youngnosh]

The " Mysterious Guy Hardcore" thing is probably the best thing to happen to hardcore in years.

It's literally taking away everything that makes modern day hardcore shit:
-The subject matter has become much more interesting...instead of endless songs about "The Scene" or being straight edge or being vegan, the lyrics tend to be massivly introspective: self loathing, perversions, obsessions etc like an offspring of P.E. and Black Flag.
-The way the releases are recorded seems much more lo-fi, which is such a massive improvement from the over polished sound.
-The playing seems to be more based on the early 80's style hardcore, which makes it sound more urgent and frantic whilst remaining simple.
-It's back to DIY instead of these massive "indie" labels.

I mean granted - it's a stupid name and as a sub - sub genre it's only really making it easier to cater to a specific taste(80's Black Flag Void loving hardcore) but i really wish it was this frustrated type or style that represented hardcore punk these days...Instead what were left with is bands full of sportswear-short wearing meatheads acting niggerfied and being bemusingly preoccupied with their post codes (zip codes) and "representing".

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I'm sure with different, less retarded name tag, there wouldn't be complaints.

Without knowing pretty much any of the bands more than reading a bit and some youtube clips, I have to agree anything what removes the hc/punk from sportswear & scene/crew talk type stuff must be positive. Not to mention self recorded, self released method. I just don't think that its anything NEW in hc/punk, what would even require new name for it?

I would look finland, KTMK or lets say Terveet Kädet is no "scene", no dress codes, so vegan. It's about rubber fetish, scat, candles up your ass, black god torturing blood dripping victims, etc etc.

World is full of examples. Of course I understand that someone would want to get new name to avoid being compared to what is known to be the sportwear hc, but if bands don't even sound like that side of genre and appear still logical continuum of genres earlier years. It appears more like the usual media scam. We need new "phenomena" or "spectacle". It would be no news there is raw punk bands doing tapes.

[Zeno Marx]

I just don't think that its anything NEW in hc/punk, what would even require new name for it?

Every skate trick has been renamed.  I find it really strange.  I get that cultures have a root or two deeply planted in colloquialisms, but it feels like the last decade or so has been busy with making its mark on things by simply renaming what has already been established by others.  That isn't language evolving, for which I'm almost always an advocate.  It's like climbing a mountain, throwing the last flag off the peak after you've checked to make sure no one is looking, and then slapping your flag down and declaring your own greatness.  "I WAS HERE!"  Maybe it is akin to that grade school creative writing journalism we see pawned off as review...that says absolutely nothing about anything, but goddamn it, they left their mark.

[Andrew McIntosh]

-The subject matter has become much more interesting...instead of endless songs about "The Scene" or being straight edge or being vegan, the lyrics tend to be massivly introspective: self loathing, perversions, obsessions etc like an offspring of P.E. and Black Flag.
-The way the releases are recorded seems much more lo-fi, which is such a massive improvement from the over polished sound.
-The playing seems to be more based on the early 80's style hardcore, which makes it sound more urgent and frantic whilst remaining simple.
-It's back to DIY instead of these massive "indie" labels.

In other words, hardcore's gone retro. Again. Big fucking whoopee.

[Zeno Marx]

Can I get a couple bands and a couple labels as examples?  I don't buy much hardcore/punk anymore, but I follow it almost as closely as I ever have.  Ridiculous revisionist terms aside, I cannot figure out what bands and labels this discussion includes.

My hunch is that Peterson and youngnosh are talking about a brand of metal and metalcore culture that has about as much to do with hardcore/punk as cotton balls glued to Q-tips have to do with golf.  Hatebreed?  Earth Crisis contemporaries?  Is that it?

[HONOR_IS_KING!]

Can I get a couple bands and a couple labels as examples?  I don't buy much hardcore/punk anymore, but I follow it almost as closely as I ever have.  Ridiculous revisionist terms aside, I cannot figure out what bands and labels this discussion includes.

Most of the "big" mysterious hardcore bands were on Youth Attack.

I never got into it.

[Mikerdeath]

The " Mysterious Guy Hardcore" thing is probably the best thing to happen to hardcore in years.

Haha, right.

"Mysterious guy hardcore" was just another trend pure and simple.
A movement which somehow brought tape releases, diy record labels, band camp,screen printing, cool artwork, photography, zines, ect to the attention of many unimaginative people. Many things people into noise music were already readily familiar with.
The " Mysterious Guy Hardcore" thing is just a contemporary fetishistic approach to 80's hardcore punk which has no relation to "hardcore" punk.
I think Raw Nerve or Migraine made the best music from that scene. Cult Ritual played in my living room, that was neat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU4FZgbDCCA < raw nerve cover youth of today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZW8JhpbHq0 < migraine

haven't cared about this kind of music in like 2+ years

[Mikerdeath]

Use to be curous about Burmese

Keith, Burmese is garbage.

I had never heard of "mysterious guy hardcore" either, but when listening to Sex Vid or Cult Ritual, I don't see any point of having even new genre there.
There's been plenty of punk and noiserock and hardcore with dark and mysterious topics.

In other words, hardcore's gone retro. Again. Big fucking whoopee.

[youngnosh]

I'm sure with different, less retarded name tag, there wouldn't be complaints.

Without knowing pretty much any of the bands more than reading a bit and some youtube clips, I have to agree anything what removes the hc/punk from sportswear & scene/crew talk type stuff must be positive.

I would agree, but I still don't want everything compartmentalized into little subgenres constantly.

I understand this opinion but disagree somewhat.
I remember in my youth before the Internet became as reliable as it is for downloading and streaming etc
I used to buy all my records in shops that tended to be a good train ride away, the traveling would cost money and inevitably reduce the amount of money I had to spend on records once i got to wherever I was going.
Now, in some shops I'd be lucky to find a label on the cd giving a very brief description of the sounds within. With bands as relatively diverse as Void, Throwdown, nine Shocks Terror, discharge, circle jerks etc all coming under the "hardcore" banner, I never really knew EXACTLY what I would get when purchasing a recording that would have a sticker bearing "hardcore" on the cover...I guess you can see where I'm going with this one.
It may be cosumerist or whatever but the sub sub sub sub sub categorisation of music, is to me, a consumer, nothing but good.
Everything should be like Ronsil.

[youngnosh]

-The subject matter has become much more interesting...instead of endless songs about "The Scene" or being straight edge or being vegan, the lyrics tend to be massivly introspective: self loathing, perversions, obsessions etc like an offspring of P.E. and Black Flag.
-The way the releases are recorded seems much more lo-fi, which is such a massive improvement from the over polished sound.
-The playing seems to be more based on the early 80's style hardcore, which makes it sound more urgent and frantic whilst remaining simple.
-It's back to DIY instead of these massive "indie" labels.

In other words, hardcore's gone retro. Again. Big fucking whoopee.

Yeah, it's not a big deal at all really but I must admit that I'm happy that an entire micro sub genre of music has sprung up that caters for my exact taste of hardcore with the regards to the style of recording, style of play, Diy ethics, content etc
I guess explaining it's  likewhen you visit a mate who's trying to explain just how great something their new born baby has done, and you're thinking...it's just a baby.

[youngnosh]

Can I get a couple bands and a couple labels as examples?  I don't buy much hardcore/punk anymore, but I follow it almost as closely as I ever have.  Ridiculous revisionist terms aside, I cannot figure out what bands and labels this discussion includes.

My hunch is that Peterson and youngnosh are talking about a brand of metal and metalcore culture that has about as much to do with hardcore/punk as cotton balls glued to Q-tips have to do with golf.  Hatebreed?  Earth Crisis contemporaries?  Is that it?

I think Band wise - Total Abuse, Nazi Dust and Sexdrome are proably the best, but don't expect too much though...just imagine that The Necros had recorded another album circa conquest for death or something along those lines - not reinventing the wheel but making wheels from a blueprint when wheels were made the best.
Label wise - it's all over bit the aforementioned youth attack is a good place to start then there is "not normal", "video disease"...other stuff used to come up on the youth attack message board until it got deleted, otherwise - pure stench advertises the odd release.

[youngnosh]

The " Mysterious Guy Hardcore" thing is probably the best thing to happen to hardcore in years.

Haha, right.

"Mysterious guy hardcore" was just another trend pure and simple.
A movement which somehow brought tape releases, diy record labels, band camp,screen printing, cool artwork, photography, zines, ect to the attention of many unimaginative people. Many things people into noise music were already readily familiar with.
The " Mysterious Guy Hardcore" thing is just a contemporary fetishistic approach to 80's hardcore punk which has no relation to "hardcore" punk.
I think Raw Nerve or Migraine made the best music from that scene. Cult Ritual played in my living room, that was neat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU4FZgbDCCA < raw nerve cover youth of today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZW8JhpbHq0 < migraine

haven't cared about this kind of music in like 2+ years

All the things that you mentioned it has brought into hardcore (whether into unimaginative hands or not) are good things!
After you recent Negative Approach tip, Mike, I would have thought this would be something you could dig!

[jesusfaggotchrist]

No, but more often making noise/PE projects about themselves. Or the mundane interests.
Not having substance what radiates the persona behind it, which at least to me is great difference.

It was talked for example in Jason Crumer interview of SI#7, where question about change of content in USA noise (/pe) was asked. How big % this affects? Probably enough to acknowledge it.

Foreigners tend to have a smug sense of self-importance due to their liberal educational system. This is especially true in Sweden where feminist leaders are trying to eliminate gender differences and competitive learning in classmates by making sure everyone is a "winner".