lyrics

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

totally agree.
I want to do more tracks in Italian.
Thing is very often screaming lyrics with strong contents in our language sounds very cheesy.

Neither strong contents nor delicate. Sound of this loungage is cool. See and listen here: ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWehSm3GzdE

Antonella Ruggiero was here so sweet...


Anyway I prefer when I hear origin language in PE.

[tiny_tove]

she was amazing indeed

[SNR]

I think lyrics and vocals are very important in P.E. I personally like, when the vocals are have a better production than the noise tracks, and I can actually hear, what the vocalist wants to say. But If they are extremely distorted, but the lyrics are written in the booklet or somewhere, it's not a huge problem. Personally, I write lyrics in my own native language, which is Hungarian. The good think about this, it's more easy to me. That bad, a very few people understand what I am saying. I started to working on the translations now, but it's quite hard. The quality of the lyrics are also important, which is me, also depends on the mood. Sometimes I write very primitive, and straight lyrics, but sometimes I write near novel-like stuff. I think both version is very optimal for P.E. The first one is more fitting to faster, and aggressive parts, and the second is some kind of spoken word, with maybe a softer background atmoshpere. So, in one sentence, vocals/lyrics are a very basis of Power Electronics.

[Black_Angkar]

I am of double opinions here. I am a real sucker for wellwritten lyrics and think they are vastly important, but not always. The obvious thing would of course be that it is totally depending on the genre, but even that is not entirely correct. The lyrics must fit the music and the themes of the recording, and good lyrics are of course completely important for conceptual works. Still though, the delivery will be the most important and these two work together. What makes both IRM and Con-Dom's vocals great aren't necessarily the lyrics but the delivery. In one way though that is perhaps the ultimate signifier of good lyrics, to have them written in a way that brings the most out of ones vocal style? Like on Triumph from "the eight pillar" when he does the "merciless merciless", that is probably one of the most memorable vocal deliveries that I know.

Generally I prefer vocals where the lyrics are clear and quite clean or partly clear, not every word but some key ones to keep me in line with the theme. The kind of vocals I dislike the most are the guttural growling ones with no intonations whatsoever, just sounding like they stem from some retards constipated bowels - there lyrics won't matter because the delivery just ruins it for me. Utterly silly or just plain stupid lyrics don't do it for me either, MOST of the times. Horrible rhyming is good for old 77-punk or white power music. I feel no need to sympathise with the lyrics but it mostly happens that my favourite ones are in line with my own thoughts and convictions.

On the other hand I listen to a lot of music without lyrics and that doesn't subtract anything from the experience at all. I'm not that much into noise without vocals though. And a good sample can easily replace lyrics in  most cases.

[m.]

As for languages, the more foreign the better for me. I love listening to Northern European languages being shouted and screamed, the harshness of the words seem to fit the genre well.

totally agree.
I want to do more tracks in Italian.
Thing is very often screaming lyrics with strong contents in our language sounds very cheesy.

Yes Italian language sounds quite ridiculous when shouted (like most of us do every day, heh)  but sometimes it's done very well. I'm thinking about classic Teatro Satanico or the recent "Cronaca Vera" CDr by Deviated Sister TV.

Splinter vs Stalin "Eravamo così felici" !
great cd with perfect lyrics

[jesusfaggotchrist]

I don't use lyrics very often even in my pe themed tracks. mostly because I'm bad at penning memorable lines. I use vocals as percussive only, as my entry into noise was through ridiculous noisecore groups like Genital Masticator and Deche Charge. I use general themes, ranging from conspiracy theories to misogyny/anti-feminism (not getting into that as my views are probably different than yours). thanks to the Dissecting Table thread, I got more into his work and its been influencing a lot of the more recent Arseterror work.

[Half Aborted]

To me good lyrics in noise are just a bonus. I generally prefer less clear and more processed vocals as honestly I find the bulk of PE lyrics distractingly stupid.

[Black_Angkar]

To me good lyrics in noise are just a bonus. I generally prefer less clear and more processed vocals as honestly I find the bulk of PE lyrics distractingly stupid.

To some of the major directions in the genre I suppose the "no brain" lyrics are part of the point? Also, I think there is a quite big divide between themes of true crime, rape, transgression etc and political themes. Political music in general is less reliant on being "poetic" to me, though of course, good political lyrics are always a bonus. Whereas , if I want to listen to lyrics about murder, misery or general gruesomeness  I prefer someone like Nick Cave or Tom Waits anyday. I like it when artists push it beyond the se simple themes though - Whitehouse Bird seed style or artists mentioned earlier in this thread, like Con-Dom at his best or IRM. I think Ramleh are also very good at this at times.

[Half Aborted]

All those you mentioned are indeed solid examples of above average levels of thought in PE lyrics. And yes, sometimes retarded lyrics, such as Streicher's are pretty charming.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

Yea, PE without lyrics is like HipHop without lyrics. Though there's also the middleground where vocals are used as an instrument and it doesn't always matter what's being said. In singing where it's used as a melodic element or hiphop and bands like dissecting table where it's used as a percussive instrument. Though i still can't listen to non-english hiphop. For me it is all about what's being said, the cleverness of the rhymes and wordplay. With DT it doesn't matter at all, it's all screamed jibberish to me peppered with an english word here and there, usually the song title or something.

Vocal delivery is just as important to me in PE as what's being said, Whitehouse=believable, Slogun=not so much. I just don't buy it. his voice sorta trails off even before he's finished each angsty proclamation.

One of the main reasons I can rarely do p.e tracks. Vocals take up half the music. I'm strictly speaking of the noise I do, has little bearing on my taste. I'm also bad at writing lyrics. Maybe I'm spoiled but I find early Whitehouse vocals to be quite weak in delivery.

[Black_Angkar]

Yea, PE without lyrics is like HipHop without lyrics. Though there's also the middleground where vocals are used as an instrument and it doesn't always matter what's being said. In singing where it's used as a melodic element or hiphop and bands like dissecting table where it's used as a percussive instrument. Though i still can't listen to non-english hiphop. For me it is all about what's being said, the cleverness of the rhymes and wordplay. With DT it doesn't matter at all, it's all screamed jibberish to me peppered with an english word here and there, usually the song title or something.

Vocal delivery is just as important to me in PE as what's being said, Whitehouse=believable, Slogun=not so much. I just don't buy it. his voice sorta trails off even before he's finished each angsty proclamation.

One of the main reasons I can rarely do p.e tracks. Vocals take up half the music. I'm strictly speaking of the noise I do, has little bearing on my taste. I'm also bad at writing lyrics. Maybe I'm spoiled but I find early Whitehouse vocals to be quite weak in delivery.

I think you're somewhat right about Whitehouse. I do have a major amount of respect for continuity and formula - I don enjoy early Whitehouse but I find later day releases much more effective. The stream of words and a sound which is frankly more powerful. But on the other hand - to a lot of PE in-the-face-attitude is more important than "poetic lines". It is music of aggression and often blunt topics after all.