GUITAR NOISE

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, March 18, 2010, 09:57:23 AM

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from playlist:

Quote from: Borellus on March 17, 2010, 09:03:10 PM
Golden Geissel - Die Herrin Und Ihr Sklave tape (Ultimately harsh and powerful guitar noise. Recommended!)

Which reminds me... Recommended guitar noise?

I'll say few things. When I first heard like Jojo Hiroshige 1st solo album style, I could appreciate his utmost harshness of string abuse. It wouldn't be about effects. It wouldn't be about "heaviness". No drone. No heavy jams. No down tuned blurry junk. It would be plain no-bullshit guitar abuse. Mic'ed straight close-up from amp speaker in studio conditions, creating sharp and unsaturated sound. It would be just utmost anti-music / noise. Lacking the artistic developments or specialities. Good tracks with shouting vocals perhaps even better. It would be the "man & guitar" music of my taste! Even if I have no idea what he was saying in lyrics.
Then, even before that, SOLMANIA, Psycledelic was the first contact with band, and even if album has weaknesses, it perhaps stands out better than some of Solmania's later works, where two guitarists line-up simply malforms the noise through too many effects into pretty regular harsh noise, where qualities of guitar itself is pretty minimal. They work more as visual effect (seen them once live).
Perhaps opposite happened to DEISEL GUITARS, which dropped the full of noise and the 2nd member, and transformed into feedback drone as Diesel Guitar. Duo was good, solo was even better. Not exactly noise anymore, but perfection in minimalist drone.
That leads to KK NULL, which is probably discussed elsewhere. His best guitarworks in field of drone sounds stand the test of time among the best of genre.
TRANCE from USA didn't do much for me with his guitar works. Pretty ok, but most definately in shadow of legendary japanese. Jim O'Rouke? Can't even remember his solo works. Viper tape from macro side project, pretty bad. Haino? Well, some decent too.  List could of course continue long beyond the obvious ones, but I'm wondering, that names thrown here, date back to 70's, 80's and 90's.  When I think of the whole last decade, where is the STRONG guitar noise? I don't want to hear some indie fart. I mean, when I first heard for example Thurston Moore's CD on RRR's PURE CD's, I felt like being ripped off. Well, I could perhaps tolerate it now better than 15 years ago, but then it sounded like some of the modern day stoner jams sound to me. Someone plugs on guitar, has couple pedals or not. Hits recorder of lo-fi tape recorder and captures some improvisation with no beginning and no end. Just documenting some dull session rather than actually doing proper release. With sounds that are not interesting, which "anyone could do" (hah). Those bands listed above, are stuff that pretty much nobody can replicate. All they have, is the worlds most successful instrument on modern ages, and perhaps few effects, and still, from 6 strings and amp, those guys could pull out something of interest. So, guitars noisers of last decade that people felt that wasn't good because they were your friends, but because material was something that felt exceptionally well done.

I'd look for something perhaps closer to Golden Geissel tape. Extremely distorted and heavy sounds, what could be compared to Solmania, Mortal Vision and the above mentioned ones. Meaning: noise and feedback.  If it's about lo-fi indie music leftovers, be clear about that in recommendation.
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ConcreteMascara

When I saw Solmania live I was surprised by just how massive their pedal set up was. It was hard to tell what effects where working and when. But I think that guitar noise like Solmania really does need to be experienced live, just to gain that physical aspect of the sound.
Thurston Moore did a pretty heavy guitar noise set with Carlos Giffoni at the Emeralds "What Happened". Way better than what I was expecting, very piercing at parts. Paired with Giffoni's synth work there was a nice balance of bass and the high end. I definitely prefer that caustic and thinner sound of guitar abuse than effect laden, pedal heavy guitar noise.
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FreakAnimalFinland

I know Thurston must have good works. I didn't dismiss his whole output, just used that one particular CD as reference of my dislikes of that type of sound. Seen him live.. hmm. twice? More action, less noise what makes sense. Warm up for Ramleh in NYC is pretty ok for stage action, yet sound not so memorable.
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kettu

this guys cool: Otomo Yoshihide  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-DXwxKlE2I
not dancing on bunch of effectors either!well a little bit heh

does it seem that the gitbox is not nearly as trendy as someother sound sources. oh but I think this is for refering to bands and not for discussions  of the noisgitar. but ill still say that this antimusic vibe that I get from older japanese stuff is definetly involved when thinking that these guys abuse the most standard instrument. I dont mind when some "riffing" surfaces but I believe its mostly abuse when guitar is used.

heretogo

I know you're after "noise done w/ gtr" rather than free music with noisy guitar in it but I'd still like to mention Rudolph Grey (of Blue Humans) and Stephan Jaworzyn (of Ascension/Descension). I'm just listening through my Rudolph Grey discs and man... the guy is awesome! Even when he is playing with fairly jazz-oriented guys (Beaver Harris, Rashied Ali, Arthur Doyle etc.) he brings this incredible straightforward noise sound to the affair. The short cd (Incandescence) on Shock is very nice and doesn't have much of a jazz-vibe going for it.
All the Ascension/Descension discs I've heard have been at least good, some of them extremely so. Again, it's free music but not really any jazz to be heard here. Just straight-ahead pummeling, energy-music of the highest order. This applies especially to the duo stuff (Ascension) with drummer Tony Irving.

Pete

well, these are  drone-ier recommendations, but some of my favorite guitar noise guys are:

Daniel Hintz: http://www.myspace.com/danielhintz  Only one (one copy) 78rpm solo release, but was in Alien Ant Farm, Hungry Ghost, and is in Hydrogen Pellets and Nuclear Death Wish (which is a noise/metal hybrid).

William Fowler Collins: http://williamfowlercollins.com/ Black Metal and Blues influences show up - Bill also plays field recordings through his pickups in some pieces - great live performer. For the harshness, check out Mesa Ritual, his collab with Raven Chacon if you can track down the CD.

Kevin Gan Yuen:http://www.myspace.com/fermentae (first track on there is from a show I hosted in my garage) Bowed guitar, mostly.  Definitely the "prettiest" sounds that I'm linking here, but moments of real power.



tisbor

I've seen Li Jianhong two or three times live with guitar , solo and coupled with others . He had the improvisation/Keiji Haino feel but he reached moments of pure noise/rock and roll brutality . Not too many effects either , just a couple of distortions and a delay if i remember well .
Records don't really make him justice but they're still good .
Now it seems his style became more psychedelic , still well worth checking out .

And of course Masayuki Takayanagi is worth mentioning , very noisy and violent - "unfortunately" always in duo , trio or quartet with others ..




In Italy i remember just one guy from Napoli doing it , White Gauna , but i don't think he ever released anything ?



heretogo

Quote from: tisbor on March 18, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
And of course Masayuki Takayanagi is worth mentioning , very noisy and violent - "unfortunately" always in duo , trio or quartet with others ..

Oh yes. I haven't heard much of his stuff but it has all been stellar. I think I finally need to fill up some of the blanks in my collection in this respect. What would be the two or three best ones to look out for?

tisbor

top one for me is Mass Projection with Kaoru Abe , but quite probably that's what you heard too..

Zeno Marx

Quote from: tisbor on March 18, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
I've seen Li Jianhong two or three times live with guitar , solo and coupled with others .
How was the LP on Tipped Bowler Tapes?  The San Sheng Shi album had a nice build to it, so it made me curious, yet cautious, about hearing other material.
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vargrwulf

The Caspar Brötzmann/Page Hamilton "Zulutime" record is good. I haven't heard any of Brötzmann's other work, but the tones he gets out of the guitar on this one are pretty sick, so he's probably worth checking out in general.


RyanWreck

I believe the new Wold album is full on guitar Noise. Their older material is Black Metal / Noise but the latest release, "Working Together For Our Privacy" is in all aspects purely a Noise album and a very good one at that.

FreakAnimalFinland

That Novatron uses also synths and all that, I think? Naturally, from DiFranco's projects Ethnic Acid, JFK, AX, they all are very good. But not really just "guitar noise". But guitar is one of instruments among the many.
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