differences between death industrial and power electronics

[jesusfaggotchrist]

what is the honest to logic difference between the two. they seem too similar to be different subgenres.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Depends how "pure" classifications one intends to make. When we look at what used to be called power electronics and what it sounded back in 80's, it is quite different what these days gets labeled under PE. Modern day PE could be simply filed under some sort of "post-industrial". However, death industrial most often has quite narrow style and type of sounds and while some PE might be close, the old style material appears to have much less in common.

[Invisible War]

I've always considered Death Industrial to be slower paced, brooding, "darker". Power Electronics would be more frenetic, abrasive.

[GEWALTMONOPOL]

Simplified:

PE - Whitehouse
Death Industrial - BDN

[andy vomit]

Simplified:

PE - Whitehouse
Death Industrial - BDN

this.

[tiny_tove]

Simplified:

PE - Whitehouse
Death Industrial - BDN

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[jesusfaggotchrist]

I've always considered Death Industrial to be slower paced, brooding, "darker". Power Electronics would be more frenetic, abrasive.

this was kind of what I was getting at.

[Brad]

Simplified:

PE - Whitehouse
Death Industrial - BDN

Which one is Genocide Organ?

[Zeno Marx]

The best are firmly in one while teasing the other.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Which one is Genocide Organ?

Native concrete industrial?

[Ritual]

Which one is Genocide Organ?

Does it matter?

[FreakAnimalFinland]

yeah, seriously, I don't think so many bands limit themselves into style. Genre names are usually something, what was tagged on bands later on. Especially in question of early bands. This was case when it sounded something different, that talking about Whitehouse merely as "industrial" would have been somehow misleading when at the time industrial was already quite different.

When trying to analyze what exactly makes a genre, the bigger it is, the wider it gets. One should remember that it's not about who belongs specific club, who is "pure", but these terms were only tool of language. That without hearing sample of band, we could talk with terms what mean something.

Lets say we have Genocide Organ in question. There is someone who has never heard it. You can say it combines dark and monumental back-to-basics industrial sounds with force and strength and level of noisiness of power electronics. As result we may get idea that it does have musical characteristics, strong rhythms, yet rotten and distorted sounds and aggressive vocals.

Qualities like this should never limit artists themselves. There is no guidebook that industrial band couldn't suddenly explode into total harsh noise or power electronics band slowly sink into fuzzy drone. Those seeking for "purity" in experimental music, most often are kind of... lame.

[Tommy Carlsson]

The term "death industrial" was coined by Roger Karmanik, to describe his own music, and later on it caught on as some new genre term. If your band's name is Brighter Death Now, and most of your tracks are called Death this or that, of course the music should be called death industrial. It's amusing and confusing that people take this little word-play so seriously.

[Brad]

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[SNR]

Death Industrial is more slower moving, have a distant, somewhat darker atmosphere.. It's have a more colder, and hidden anger. Power Electronics have more 'in front of' feeling, also more aggressive, facefucking vocals, and it's have more mid-high freq. feedbacks, than bass-only parts - (I think, but it's only my perception).

But another question was not really talked : production wise, what's the different between the two genres? or It's really depends on the artist, and it's vision about the overral sound, or there are some recognizable marks? I mean, the size of the space in the sound stage (I've think about reverb/echo stuff), amount of distortion, mixing/mastering, and similar thinks like this.etc:. ?