NOISE IS DEAD...?

Started by Sleep of Ages, December 05, 2013, 07:34:43 PM

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kettu

the king is dead, long live the king.

uff the new git-player wasnt too impressive in those youtubes. the  rockout stuff of the second clip was good stuff though

African Audio

It seems many ''noise'' people from 2000-2010 are turning to Rock or Techno. It is not uncommon when an artist quits the scene that made him that he proclaims it ''dead''. Does he quit because it's dead or is it dead because he quits hehe ??!

On a related note, I was reading a Daft Punk interview recently, and basically they were saying "Techno is dead, we're doing original disco-funk, we have re-discovered REAL MUSIC"

In France they say it's "cracher dans la soupe" (bite the hand that fed you ?)


HongKongGoolagong

Traded a few things with Mr Olsen/American Tapes back in the 90s and enjoyed the sounds he sent.

Remained largely blissfully unaware of the brief mainstream noise explosion of the mid-00s when that amusing mothersagainstnoise website appeared and kids a lot younger than me popped up on myspace with excessive enthusiasm and a skewed sense of history. As ever, some lasted, some faded away. Sorry I missed the recent Wolf Eyes show not far from me, heard it was good and would have been nice to finally meet face to face.

Cementimental


burdizzo

He does have a point in the last answer about "a million people playing to themselves trying to be geniuses", though.

Brad

The part that struck me as odd was this:
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Matt Preira: And at the same time you're playing trip metal, a great majority of what once constituted the noise scene has started playing one form or another of electronic dance music.
John Olson: A lot of these cats digging into the techno trend don't seem to be too-well versed in the history of dance music and that culture. So what they're coming out with is on the wrong side of naive and amateur. It seems like a lame attempt to get more people to gigs. socialize the music instead of keeping it alien and abstract.

Is it really "a great majority" of noise artists who are making electronic dance music now?  That sounds like hyperbole to me, but it's not like I really know a lot about that scene.

John is one of them, though.  http://americantapes.us/hazel.html

P-K

#8
Bullshit-statement from a bullshit-band...

Prurient is more beat-friendly (wih his Vatican Shadow)....but that's about it? if Wolf Eyes lived more outside their artfart-free-rock-cave they should know

yes, i don't like Wolf Eyes, i tried, ow god i tried but it usually ends in neverending no-skill experimentalism (= jamming) that just says nothing. (maybe The Driller wasn't that bad)

Zeno Marx

Is noise over?
Completely, 100 percent. That's part of why I'm quitting the label. All the categories, everything has run its course.


That's obviously silly.  I think what he was saying, and this is what most people are saying when they declare a style of music is dead, is "X is over for me."  That's a completely natural outcome to anything in life when the rewards and benefits cease.  When you stop getting something out of anything, it is dead to you.

The whole solo culture of it has invented a million people playing by themselves trying to be geniuses. You're getting a million one-way conversations.

Now, this is the meat of his comment.  I'd bet he read or heard that somewhere else, but the source is irrelevant.  That's worth discussion and opinion.
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FreakAnimalFinland

Noise has certainly changed. And what people tell from USA, I guess quite a lot. If you considered the whole "No Fun Fest" kind, 4 month house-to-house gig network and dozens of labels rushing out batches of tapes being living noise, I guess current state could be described "dead".
If someone would ask me how many Wolf Eyes/Hair Police/Giffoni/Dilloway/etc etc.. releases I have sold over the last 2-3 years, I could say pretty close to exact zero. And not that these makers would be bad. Especially Dilloway is genius, I dare to say. But a lot of things have natural timespan and will fade down unless they're able to inject new lifeforce into scene.

Their highlight days probably long gone, but I see a lot more interesting new noise coming and being popular. (add " " )
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ImpulsyStetoskopu

#11
Dying noise depends on age of listeners. Elder see it as a dying genre but those younger see it as a new, vital phenomena. The same again and again, since 30 years. Nothing has been changed.

Sleep of Ages

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 07, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
If someone would ask me how many Wolf Eyes/Hair Police/Giffoni/Dilloway/etc etc.. releases I have sold over the last 2-3 years, I could say pretty close to exact zero.

That's interesting... What do you think "sells" nowadays, or at least on your experience with it? Do our "noise age" have any face, shared qualities...?

FreakAnimalFinland

Of course as dealer, your vision gets distorted by material you focus on, and your location.

For me most best selling stuff is from Finland, Sweden, Denmark.
Styles most often tape noise, rough edged physical noise. Raw power electronics.

If some years ago, one could move as much Japanese noise as one could stock, now it's entirely different thing. Stocking new release of major japanese artist is less likely sell than debut tape of new project.
At some point german heavy electronics would sell everything. Immediately. Or the Cold Meat kind of stuff. At some point the new wave of USA was hot and discussed by both lovers & haters.
Few years ago the Ramleh, Whitehouse, SJ and CE kind of power electronics appeared to be on utmost rising popularity. Then few years later Cargo is throwing out remains of WH vinyl at almost manufacturing price just to get rid of them and some of the names don't appear to be able to sell out relatively small editions.

But as said, I'm quite sure that what sells good for me, doesn't sell at all from many international distributors. However, I think there is small indication of "popularity", if some bands can move album on tape/LP/CD of hundreds of copies, and others don't think the batch consisting bunch of ltd 15 copies tapes doesn't have enough demand.

So for some artists, noise appears "dead", as most people felt the momentum has passed. And they'll probably fade out, just to wait for next peak in interest and nostalgia fueled reissue offers. Some people don't care of this. They'll keep going regardless. And it's possible that because of this quality, they remain somewhat fresh. No need to have some sort of trend of zeitgeist that is favorable for them and their style.
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jesusfaggotchrist

coming from an entry-level band, that's not saying much. besides they're probably just saying this because they lost their equipment in a house fire. sour grapes.