PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS

Started by GEWALTMONOPOL, December 15, 2009, 09:30:59 PM

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Duncan

Well, I finally got round to spinning my copy of the long awaited Hard Panning comp and have mixed feelings...

All of this is based on a first listen so I've not really absorbed it properly yet, but it does unfortunately seem to suffer from something I saw mentioned elsewhere about modern cut up noise sounding all very similar due to the same editing techniques being apparent in each track.  There is always the chance that it could just be my untrained ear, but many of the tracks blend together in such a way that you often can't tell when one ends and another begins, which is not really helped by the instant transitions from piece to piece.  I think that if only a couple of seconds between tracks had been inserted there would be a dramatically improved quality to this disc.  I appreciate the way that the curators have tried to possibly give the album a feel of continued flow, but it kind of detracts for me and prevents each piece from standing on its own merits.

So, this - at least to my tastes - kind of tarnishes the whole experience BUT I wouldn't say that any track on there was bad.  Everything at the very least delivers the kind of frantic, cut sound you are expecting and there are many great moments that make you stop what you're doing and give a sultry groan, perhaps even a fist pump or two if listening on the weekend.  Stand out stuff from Facialmess and Lettera 22, with parts of MAAAAAAAAA, Kazuma Kubota, Encephalophonic & Developer catching my attention too.  As I say, something of worth in every single track though.  Seems to be some sort of uncredited 'secret' track at the end, not sure what it is but I can take it or leave it.

So there you go, sorry if this is a negative first mention. I'm looking forward to revisiting and finding out if I'm full of shit.

SiClark


scumwalski

#4803
Quote from: Duncan on September 24, 2014, 04:13:32 PM
Well, I finally got round to spinning my copy of the long awaited Hard Panning comp and have mixed feelings...

All of this is based on a first listen so I've not really absorbed it properly yet, but it does unfortunately seem to suffer from something I saw mentioned elsewhere about modern cut up noise sounding all very similar due to the same editing techniques being apparent in each track.  There is always the chance that it could just be my untrained ear, but many of the tracks blend together in such a way that you often can't tell when one ends and another begins, which is not really helped by the instant transitions from piece to piece.  I think that if only a couple of seconds between tracks had been inserted there would be a dramatically improved quality to this disc.  I appreciate the way that the curators have tried to possibly give the album a feel of continued flow, but it kind of detracts for me and prevents each piece from standing on its own merits.

So, this - at least to my tastes - kind of tarnishes the whole experience BUT I wouldn't say that any track on there was bad.  Everything at the very least delivers the kind of frantic, cut sound you are expecting and there are many great moments that make you stop what you're doing and give a sultry groan, perhaps even a fist pump or two if listening on the weekend.  Stand out stuff from Facialmess and Lettera 22, with parts of MAAAAAAAAA, Kazuma Kubota, Encephalophonic & Developer catching my attention too.  As I say, something of worth in every single track though.  Seems to be some sort of uncredited 'secret' track at the end, not sure what it is but I can take it or leave it.

So there you go, sorry if this is a negative first mention. I'm looking forward to revisiting and finding out if I'm full of shit.

Wow, it's actually the first such detailed opinion on the compilation. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts in detail.
I'd like to address some of the points you raised.
First of all, the main idea behind the compilation was (in a nutshell) to document the evolution of the genre. In my personal, subjective opinion, the cut-up subgenre is an area where the most interesting things happen. That is due to the fact that most artist who operate in that area utilize a number of interesting compositional and production methods (again, in a nutshell).

I definitely agree that some of the techniques such as drills/micro-loops, hard panning, silence/noise contrasts etc. are omnipresent but at the same time every track on that compilation has a significant degree of originality to it. To me, there's a huge difference between, say, FACIALMESS and Jake Vida or T.E.F. and Kazumoto Endo. All of those tracks are easily distinguishable because they have a different flow, atmosphere and simply sound different in general.
The decision to press a gapless CD was difficult but both Sergey and I believed that we should make it as condensed and as powerful as possible. Introducing 1 or 2 sec. gaps might cause the compilation to lose the punch and unrelenting energy we wanted it to have.

All in all, I believe that the comp might require several focused listening sessions because of the sheer amount of extremely varied content.

Again, thank you for sharing your opinion Duncan, it means a lot.

metalpunk

Yeah, that review wasn't bad at all. As Dawid said before the decision to make this non-stop CD wasn't easy and to set up a tracklist in general. We had listened the stuff in many different orders, personally I had listened at least about 50 times the whole thing.
The idea was to make it "in your face", noise without stops, from the start to the end with proper flow and energy. This CD for sure needs multiple spinnings and to my mind it's one of the greatest things about the stuff. It has a lot of everything so you can discover it again and again and this non-stop noise flow force you to listen to it carefully, holding the tracklist in you hand, huh... 
When I listened to it for a first time I also had mixed feelings, but after 10+ listenings I started to love it.

And yes, this compilation was about the contemporary cut-up noise, and shows well how things looks like in this camp nowadays. I'm a big fan of older cut-up style like earlier K2 or some MACRONYMPHA style, but what we should do if nobody submited a single track like this? But tracks like JAAKKO VANHALA, ENCEPHALOPHONIC, MAAAA and let's say LETTERA 22 and MANTICHORA are much different from the rest which is for sure very spastic and modern. Anyway everything about this compilation is very subjective and for sure everyone will find something for him there. We are happy to see more hate or love about this.

Duncan

Cheers for the replies lads. It is one of those difficult cases where even if your own ears don't quite wrap around the end results you still know that everything is there because of careful planning, thought and consideration, so maybe I should have stressed more that my criticisms stem from quite specific tastes...what I want to see and hear from a comp etc,  rather than attempts to pin objective standards of what works and doesn't on the album.

Anyway, I'm keen to listen back and see what changes.  Wonder what others think?

Zeno Marx

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 19, 2012, 09:38:35 PM
VASILISK "Tribal Zone" CD on Steinklang
needs more playtimes, but pretty good stuff! Considering it's c. 20 years from the old industrial style Vasilisk, this is very good comeback on modern standards!
This is a really good album.  For the most part, it is more refined than old Vasilisk.  "Riot In Lhasa" is a powerful, Dead Can Dance-like track.  I can listen to that kind of tribalism for hours.  Lots of ghostly current throughout the album.  I wouldn't call this "industrial".  It's too dark to be considered world music, but it is firmly rooted there.  Also reminds me of Tuu, Temps Perdu?, and what some of the ethno-ambient artists toyed with in the 90s.
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

Baglady

AARON DILLOWAY & C SPENCER YEH - The Squid - CD (Hanson)
Brilliant record. Good use of violin and tapes here. Haunting stuff. Reminds me of the scarier Small Cruel Party stuff. Once again I'm baffled about not having listened more to Dilloway.

GOLDEN SERENADES - II - CDr (Gameboy)
Is this their second release or something? Early one, at least, and easily one of their best works. Compared to their later stuff, i.e. The Age Of Swing, this is less hectic and more massive, with sweeping long sections of feedback and rumble, interrupted by shorter intense moments of change. Some more restrained sections thrown in as well, adding dynamics. "Needs a reissue!" as they say. Worthy of a better format than CDr.

Andrew McIntosh

Since getting the "NG Tapes" album I'd been basically listening to the three lps of Nord I have, over and over, for a week or so. Each time listening being impressed by the hard, uncompromising sound and single minded lust for basic analog synthesiser sounds. For the most part, there's no real indication of the pieces being aleatory or precisely structured, they simply move well however they where made.

But a couple of days ago I discovered a shitload of early Hands To material on Forced Nostalgia's Bandcamp page, so I've been indulging in Jerman's foggy, tape-hiss laden loops and manipulation. Of preference I like the longer pieces better (the title track of "Hoast" sounds like untreated site recording of a construction site, although there may be more than one layer involved). Despite problems with comparisons I can't help feeling it's like taking the concrete sources of The Haters and giving them the structural treatment and oppressive atmosphere of MB.
  Jeph Jerman says, "Simply put, I think that theorising about sound falls into the realm of entertainment, sophisticated perhaps, but it's all just playing with the mind."
Shikata ga nai.

Zeno Marx

Is Forced Nostalgia some sort of file agent or authorized distributor?  If not, kind of weird, if not downright sucky, that they're selling those Hands To (and maybe others).
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

Andrew McIntosh

#4810
I was wondering that too. Those Hands To tapes seem to be from various tape label from the Eighties. There's a couple of If, Bwana tapes available as well. I merely assumed the artists had something to do with it. So far I've only be streaming - I don't mind paying for downloads but five English pounds? That's nearly ten bucks in my money, and the If, Bwana ones are seven pounds fifty. Too much for a download.

EDIT - Looks like the seven pounds fifty is for a hard-copy cd, five pounds is the going rate for downloads on that site. Apologies for the confusion.
Shikata ga nai.

HongKongGoolagong

#4811
DEATH SQUAD - Out-patient - I missed this release when it came out, delighted to hear the recent reissue. Almost entirely spoken word and sampled recording of people at the fringes of 'Outer Bohemia' as Stephen Koch described it in his amazing book on Warhol 'Stargazer'. Prostitutes and fucked up pathetic johns, drug addicts, the mentally ill, extreme anger issues, bad feelings all round accompanied by some brooding electronics. Michael Nine's work is head and shoulders above any tough guy PE posturing and there's no cornball macho cliche here, just very raw and difficult documentation of reality as it is for some of us. Still doing great work under the MK9 banner, it's strange to me that his amazing output isn't really noticed beyond the fake safehouse of the Power Electronics ghetto - I'd class his stuff with Lydia Lunch and Bryan Lewis Saunders - this is a real artist.

CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL - RAMBLE TAMBLE - you check out classic rock stuff sometimes and enjoy it and see why it has sold a lot, then an album track might hit you like this did me the other day - there's a kind of psychedelic breakdown in the middle of a song and a three chord riff with a transcendent lead guitar line so powerful and pure it seems to cancel out all language and rational thought makes you consider the beauty and wonder and strangeness of music and of being alive.

P-K

Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 27, 2014, 09:58:10 AM
Is Forced Nostalgia some sort of file agent or authorized distributor?  If not, kind of weird, if not downright sucky, that they're selling those Hands To (and maybe others).

all authorised.

THE RITA HN

QuoteCREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL - RAMBLE TAMBLE

a lot of CCR is obviously really overplayed and blown out, but that is fucking killer song.
actually works well here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAhIzVSKco


bitewerksMTB

"Michael Nine's work is head and shoulders above any tough guy PE posturing and there's no cornball macho cliche here, just very raw and difficult documentation of reality as it is for some of us. Still doing great work under the MK9 banner, it's strange to me that his amazing output isn't really noticed beyond the fake safehouse of the Power Electronics ghetto - I'd class his stuff with Lydia Lunch and Bryan Lewis Saunders - this is a real artist."

That's pretty funny.

I'm going to go flex while listening to The City of the Living Dead soundtrack.