BLACK METAL

[Andrew McIntosh]

Nocturnal Grave Desecrator and Black Winds is unemployed, lives with his mom, does copious amounts of coke, wears a track suit.

Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.

No faux "satanic life style" can compete with the true cosmic horror of Reality.

[Peterson]

The tangent this thread took was the best thing I've consumed today.

[Euro Trash Bazooka]

Blasphemy have always resonated with me in a very violent and primal way. Their studio output is impeccable and honestly, they should just leave it at that and not release anything new. That said, the worship they get these days is a bit retarded. Seems like they caught on with hardcore kids a few years ago who tend to have an annoying emphasis/self congratulatory pat on the back over Caller being black. The fact that there is a long "nerdism" thread on NWN speaks volumes on the autistic nature of the metal crowd. They seem to have become some sort of meme ("lol couchphoto.jpg").

Whatever though, music will always stand supreme.

I'm sorry for being blunt but your post and ideas make you look like you spend too much time reading the NWN board, on which revisionism reigns and people take the words of a few for absolute truth. No one in the hardcore scene cares about someone from Blasphemy being black. Most people who were into hardcore in the 90's knew of Blasphemy from people like Stephane from Kickback (for instance) or listened to as much metal as the average metalhead when they enjoyed the music. People who got into hardcore post 00's probably got their facts mixed thanks to the internet and boards like the NWN one (the same kind of boards exist in the hardcore punk scene by the way, which sucks.)
"Autistic" is typical misinformed pseudo-derogatory NWN slang, "memes" are NWN's basement dwellers' obsessions, and Blasphemy = fodder for NWN that relies on the "autistic" behaviours of its supporters to grab more cash for more interesting records.

You're obviously entitled to your opinions and loving Blasphemy more than I do, to each their own, but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...

[Zeno Marx]

I'm sorry for being blunt but your post and ideas make you look like you spend too much time reading the NWN board, on which revisionism reigns and people take the words of a few for absolute truth. No one in the hardcore scene cares about someone from Blasphemy being black. Most people who were into hardcore in the 90's knew of Blasphemy from people like Stephane from Kickback (for instance) or listened to as much metal as the average metalhead when they enjoyed the music. People who got into hardcore post 00's probably got their facts mixed thanks to the internet and boards like the NWN one (the same kind of boards exist in the hardcore punk scene by the way, which sucks.)
"Autistic" is typical misinformed pseudo-derogatory NWN slang, "memes" are NWN's basement dwellers' obsessions, and Blasphemy = fodder for NWN that relies on the "autistic" behaviours of its supporters to grab more cash for more interesting records.

You're obviously entitled to your opinions and loving Blasphemy more than I do, to each their own, but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...

Nice post.

...but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...

How very retro...like pre-crossover...when a small population loved music and was curious, and open, to everything. But to the other sides of that group, those worlds were rife with ignorance...and pride in that ignorance, which is always the real head-shaker.

[holy ghost]

My wife's uncle lives in Victoria and walks through Ross Bay cemetery every day as part of his daily routine. He was utterly baffled by all the band photos and instagram tribute pics of "pilgrimages" to Ross Bay. He's now keeping an eye out for them and I screen shot every one that comes up. He's hoping to run into some kvlting as he's trying to feed the deer.

I do have a soft spot for the insane mythologizing of Blasphemy, like the story of one of them punching out KK Warslut when he insulted Caller of the Storms, but yeah, it's a tad ridiculous. However I think the recent fanaticism for Revenge is a tad more baffling. They're cool and all, and I've picked up every one of the their records over the years but.... ???

Personally NWN puts out so many other cool records like those Iron Curtain thrash albums like Hellias, Tudor, Root, Exorcist, Kat, or the Canadian ones like Von, Yog Sothots, Soothsayer, etc.....

[Euro Trash Bazooka]

...but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...

How very retro...like pre-crossover...when a small population loved music and was curious, and open, to everything. But to the other sides of that group, those worlds were rife with ignorance...and pride in that ignorance, which is always the real head-shaker.

You worded it better than I could. Between the ignorant metalhead to the punks who deconstruct everything so much they lose themselves in their concepts and can't interact with anyone who doesn't have their head so far up their ass, it gets difficult at times.

I have real life experience that shows me it's not an age-thing so I dismiss that explaination but I can't accept that some people just "know better", like the ones who'd rather buy some of the records Holy Ghost mentioned.

I think "fanaticism" is just a hyperbolic word for metalheads needing to one-up eachother, like the use of terms such as "kvlting" or "ritual." It's like comparing the amount of balooga shockers one owns or finally admitting you listen secretly to Limbonic Art when no one watches because Werwolf just released a Vargrav album... You can't look weak by current nonsensical standards (they seem nonsensical to me at least) so you'd rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.

[absurdexposition]

rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.

+1

[totalblack]

I went to a NWN festival years ago and it was really eye opening how weird that scene is. Basically 1000 dudes all with leather jacket and either Blasphemy or Beherit back patches, adorned with as many additional logos that the girth of the wearer would allow. Most of the bands were boring\awful as well

[Duncan]

Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.

[totalblack]

Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.

I understand that you are being tongue in cheek, but after 15-20 years of underground music events in a plethora of genres, it still stands out as being by far the most homogeneous crowd that I've ever seen. Significantly more-so than compared to other Black or Death Metal events.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

I can't accept that some people just "know better", like the ones who'd rather buy some of the records Holy Ghost mentioned.

You can't look weak by current nonsensical standards (they seem nonsensical to me at least) so you'd rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.

I accept that some people know better - or are strong minded in being in such conclusion. Especially within BM, it would be crucial.

Yet, from perspective I'm looking from, I don't see anywhere standard that metalheads would be hoarding and boasting with war metal picture discs, but rather everybody listening everything else but bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt. It is likely person you talk to will blatantly say they just listen Iron Maiden and Danzig from youtube and that's about it. Regardless how rough labels or bands they operate. There is no shortage of people who sing along any Iron Maiden song, I can tell you that.

I have seen people make very broad generalization about Special Interests Forum, as hang-out place of alt-right noise slobs. How much truth is in that, seems to be purely based on observers own hang-ups. Focusing on revolving with handful of messages/topics one dislikes, unable to move to things you do. Of course you see what you see. If some things, like lesser appreciated NWN titles are pressed 250 and don't even sell out, crowd that collects that stuff is unlikely such a huge peer pressure one could not talk about Limbonic Art.


Perspective - just like talk about significance of Rotting Christ. Where I come from, EVERYBODY, and I say: everybody, knew Rotting Christ. A lot of people appreciated it. If not overtly worshipped, they respected what it was about. Look at zines of the era, and striking and memorable Rotting Christ logo stands out in just about every second zine you put your hands to. Everybody knew Samael. Everybody knew Blasphemy, Beherit, Impalad Nazarene and such. Master's Hammer too. How can we measure what people actually listened at their homes? No way to study it now. Indeed, I would say it would be matter of generation and the way how one approached metal, from where and under what circumstances. Significance of those type of bands is not merely "hype generated by forums". I would rather say that the actual fanbase may exists far far away from forums and genre social media.

For example, I was quite surprised to read Impaled Nazarene Suomi Finland Perkele has soon sold 90000 copies. So where are all the clone bands? Where are the tribute albums? Album so popular every year since it was published, it sells more than most new albums that came out.

A lot of bands in history of music do not get noticed for reason or another. Wrong time. Wrong label. Lack of will to even be more than they were. Whatever reason. Nevertheless, they may have enjoyed rather vast peer appreciation. Meaning of band not being in visible popularity, or door money of badly organized tour. Rather it's aura that shaped genre way more than one would think of.

Yet, if thinking what "popular" means: Intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals. So, unpopularity certainly isn't bad quality! Or being unnoticed by masses, yet appreciated and cultivated by ... specialists?

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.

It doesn't require even objectivity, or "underground scene". It may be merely one step away from what is just happening. Suddenly that whore twerking on TV or DJ waving his hand in front of 10000 people makes zero sense. While every part of culture in front of you tries to convince that is what is interesting now. In comparison, few patches in leather jacket is barely even uniform behavior.

[Zeno Marx]

In other words, as I understand it, you can never underestimate the "Who?  Oh, I just liked the patch.  Never heard 'em." crowd.  I personally have never experienced that, but then again, I don't walk around asking people about their shirts or what they have on their jackets.  I'm told lots of folks don merchandise by bands they've never heard.  A uniform.  Conformity.  Humanity.  The disenfranchised looking for community.  I'm imagining a room full of people with Beherit patches who have never heard them.  But then I think of entire bars of people collecting to watch Game of Thrones.  Go to a bar to watch a TV show?  With a room full of strangers who won't shut up.  I guess.  Whatever floats your boat.

[Duncan]

Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.

It doesn't require even objectivity, or "underground scene". It may be merely one step away from what is just happening. Suddenly that whore twerking on TV or DJ waving his hand in front of 10000 people makes zero sense. While every part of culture in front of you tries to convince that is what is interesting now. In comparison, few patches in leather jacket is barely even uniform behavior.

Yeah of course, it's easy to abstract any cultural phenomenon by even just a ball hair or two and correctly identify it as weird.  Just like saying a word over and over again makes it sound strange and meaningless (because it is), deciding to think in any way critically about forms of culture that are designed to utterly skirt that kind of thing will quickly reveal some odd realities.  But what the 10,000 people has working in its favour is the 10,000 people.  Yes, the human race is massive but by anyone's estimation that is still an enormous gathering of humans in one place, each of them corroborating the emperor's nude twerk and set of Dre Beats headphones.  It's as surface level an observation as you could ever hope to make about anything you care to name regarding psychology of popular culture and large groups of people.

Which is why it's especially funny in the case of the 150 or so guys gathered under an umbrella of culture which purports to understand all of the above and reject it from its art, all wearing the same shirts, patches and accoutrements and probably all having bought them from the same place, probably able to remembering the thread they first found out about it in.  Noise, PE, Black Metal, Punk...whatever you want its got a version of it.  Harmless tribalism if you want to take another step back...but the funny part is we all say our shit is different to the other guys doing it.  Just because the low hanging fruit of the mainstream or even the slightly more popular subculture above yours will always be there doesn't mean the irony of such a state of affairs is unworthy of mention.

[FallOfNature]

new Slidhr is sounding good

https://soundcloud.com/v-n-records