Classical (darker/heavier/obscure/less "traditional", etc.)

Started by SKY BURIAL, January 10, 2011, 05:47:35 PM

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Andrew McIntosh

Quote from: theotherjohn on January 12, 2011, 02:25:56 AM
Jacob Sudol's blog is excellent for finding mp3s of modern classical...

And a bit thanks to "The Other John" for this link, because I discovered this wonderful piece of music, Hugues Dufourt's "Saturne", for orchestra and electronics. A lengthy piece, over fifty minutes, very heavy on the percussion, lots of sonorous tones, a very good balance between the slower, softer, darker moments and the more built up heavier parts (where the percussion really comes forward). The electronics are sparsely used, or at least seem to be, mainly around the half way mark and towards the end they become more obvious. Mostly slow in pace, yet it doesn't drag for a minute in any of the four or so times I've listened to it since downloading it yesterday. A very striking, impressive piece for the darker, heavier side of orchestral. Sadly, it's supposedly out of print at the moment; there's some over-priced vynal versions on Discogs but as this is meant to be all one singular piece I don't think vynal would be the best format for this.
Shikata ga nai.

FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: m. on January 12, 2011, 11:51:57 PM
Morton Feldman :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qqzAf5Wvp8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb6nYCY1Gjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxSt_w2ODaQ

huh... just checked where I could get some CD's for better sound quality... Morton Feldman - Triadic Memories CD version, discogs prices, one 45 one 80,- ! Fuck! I guess youtube just have to do for a while..
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heretogo

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 14, 2011, 10:24:20 AM
huh... just checked where I could get some CD's for better sound quality... Morton Feldman - Triadic Memories CD version, discogs prices, one 45 one 80,- ! Fuck! I guess youtube just have to do for a while..

They don't have the exact Takahashi performance but different ones for much cheaper prices:

http://www.mdt.co.uk

Search for "Triadic memories". It's a pretty good shop for classical stuff.


Andrew McIntosh

Morton Feldman's "For Samuel Beckett", as performed by Klangforum Wien (on Kairos, 1999, in a rather spiffy cd pack with booklet) is just under fifty five minutes of the same off-chord, minimalist difficult listening. It can be regarded as "darker and heavier" in that it is certainly dark, but not in a deep, sonorous way. It has the quality of confusion, constant acceptance of current madness, that seems appropriate for a homage to the works of Beckett. Like faces that look constantly around for something to grasp onto and never finding it, but seeking anyway, always, forever.

I've always loved his incidental music for the Rothko chapel (New Albion Records, 1991, which comes with "Why Patterns?"), although admittedly it's much more structured and has a very lovely, uplifting melody in the last movement (that he apparently wrote when he was fifteen). It has wonderful soft, rushing passages and some amazing choir vocals, particularly part three which is basically a drone of female voices. But it's more for those seeking subtlety above darkness and heaviness.

By the way, I got both these albums for reasonable prices from the classical section of a big national record chain. It pays to pay a visit to such places from time to time. Because hardly anyone cares about this kind of music you can find good albums for good prices that will be untouched by the herd, yet happen to be there.
Shikata ga nai.

Andrew McIntosh

Just remembered; Holst's Planet suite. Everyone remembers the strident, marching power of the Martian movement. A masterpiece of modern orchestal. Fuck Laibach and the rest of the "Martial Industrial" mob, this is where the power is!
Shikata ga nai.

Andrew McIntosh

Honorary mention - Orff's Carmina Buruna.
Shikata ga nai.

ARKHE

Esp. the parts of Carminua Burana that appears after the run down O Fortuna... Again, the Salo soundtrack!

SKY BURIAL

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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 14, 2011, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: m. on January 12, 2011, 11:51:57 PM
Morton Feldman :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qqzAf5Wvp8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb6nYCY1Gjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxSt_w2ODaQ

huh... just checked where I could get some CD's for better sound quality... Morton Feldman - Triadic Memories CD version, discogs prices, one 45 one 80,- ! Fuck! I guess youtube just have to do for a while..

Triadic Memories was composed with no set tempo so the performer interprets it as they see fit. As such, performances of this piece can range between 60 and 100 minutes depending on tempo chosen. Listen to some other versions, you might like them more and find them more readily available for less on cd.

DM

Bela Bartok - can get dissonant at times
Harry Partch - a lot of microtonal stuff
Henryk Gorecki - not dark at all, but if you like Arvo Part
Toru Takimitstu

imaginaryforces

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 11, 2011, 09:08:21 PM
I don't remember the name of the composer but the soundtrack for THE SHINING is one of my faves.

Wendy Carlos, Bela Bartok, Krzysztof Penderecki and Gorgy Ligeti are all used in the score for The Shining.

Ligeti's Lux Aeterna is possibly the darkest piece of music I know. Parts of it were used in Kubricks 2001: A Space Odyssey.


I would also recommend some Alban Berg, Bruno Maderna, Ezra Sims, although these can seem a bit more melancholy than "dark".
I would also recommend Edgard Varèse, and Karlheinz Stockhausen for the sheer brutality and relentlessness of some of thier work.
Also, a special mention for Milton Babbitt who passed away aged 94 last month. His work was consistantly challenging and intresting.

SKY BURIAL

 Allan Pettersson's 6 & 7th symphonies are worth mentioning (a Youtube search will at least find the 7th).


FreakAnimalFinland

Bought Morton Feldman 2xCD of Triadic Memories. Pretty intense, when this total abstraction piano works extends over 60 minutes in first disc.. and to be continued. I have yet been listening the first couple of times, and do wonder how much it means to change disc or just re-listen the first again, hah!

theotherjohn mentioned Kairos label, and I thought why not check out something based totally on gut feeling. Hugues Dufourt "LäAfrique et LäAsie d'apres Tiepolo" CD. This is very well done and oppressive, yet beautiful. Two tracks, one 25 and other c. 20 mins. The man in questions is the one who coined term "spectral music". So I guess it was mandatory to check out something from him.
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Zeno Marx

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 10, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
Bought Morton Feldman 2xCD of Triadic Memories. Pretty intense, when this total abstraction piano works extends over 60 minutes in first disc.. and to be continued. I have yet been listening the first couple of times, and do wonder how much it means to change disc or just re-listen the first again, hah!
I noticed Steffen Schleiermacher played Triadic Memories in the The Late Piano Works series.  Steffen Schleiermacher makes John Cage piano pieces come alive like nobody else can.  I have almost a fanatical faith in his interpretations, mindset, and playing of "difficult" piano pieces.  I'm going to have to give this a try on your recommendation.
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Zeno Marx

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 10, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
Bought Morton Feldman 2xCD of Triadic Memories. Pretty intense, when this total abstraction piano works extends over 60 minutes in first disc.. and to be continued. I have yet been listening the first couple of times, and do wonder how much it means to change disc or just re-listen the first again, hah!
Now that I've looked around a little, there are several versions of this.  Which label?  Who is the pianist?
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.