P16.D4

Started by ironfistofthesun, October 20, 2013, 10:06:59 PM

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ironfistofthesun

just stumbled upon this 80's act...on YouTube of all places?
Any recommendations on where I can start and what ( if any) to avoid. Been listening to a few uploads, nice sinister feel to everything I discovered. Noticed a few solo members have released some stuff.

Zeno Marx

Kuhe in 1/2 Trauer is a classic and a prime starting point.  After that, I'd go for Acrid Acme.  Distruct is also very good and part of the Impossible Humane and The Sylvie and Babs Hi-Fi Companion trilogy (masterful, surgical cut-up).  I don't think you can go wrong with any P16.D4, though the collaborations break down on some levels (SLP, Nichts Niemand Nirgends Nie LP#2).  I lost track of RLW around 1999, but if you like P16.D4, Acht, 14 Recordings, and When Freezing Air Stings are all albums you'll want to hear.  And then there's the Swill Radio LP series (three LPs).  I'd also recommend those.  Wehowsky's catalog is massive, but my bet is there are few duds.  If you like his technique, you'll like most of it.

If you're interested in post-punk and German new wave, there's PD/Permutative Distortion.  I'm on the fence with that stuff.  One time I love it, and the next I have no patience for it.
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ironfistofthesun

Zeno cheers mate, got my eye on a few of your recommendations!
Lee

Potier

I personally missed out on this one when it came out so I can't really comment on the quality...may be worth the amount people occasionally charge on discogs.

http://www.discogs.com/P16D4-Passagen/release/4190592

6xCD plus a DVD...

FreakAnimalFinland

Perhaps SELEKTION as label would deserve topic as well? Besides P16.D4, there was lots of other stuff... S.B.O.T.H.I., Achim Wollscheid solo stuff, RLW solo stuff, R&G etc...
Also for many many years RRR distributed Selektion Optic VHS video art tapes.
For example S.B.O.T.H.I. stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgxoKIjNkIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1AsGiWoZZo
etc...
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FreakAnimalFinland

One curious release is great BRUITISTE 2xLP compilation on RRR (1988). With Etant Donnes, Vivenza, Esplendor Geometrico and P16.D4, a killer line-up and amazing lay-out. I believe 1500 copies was pressed, but it appears to be hard/expensive to find nowadays.

Info in discogs says "the tracks D1-D4 were organized by P16.D4, but actually were done by non-P16.D4-members of SELEKTION (an organization of artists and musicians, related to P16.D4 since 1984) in an attempt to create P16-D4-style music."
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eyestrain

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 30, 2013, 09:18:53 PM
One curious release is great BRUITISTE 2xLP compilation on RRR (1988). With Etant Donnes, Vivenza, Esplendor Geometrico and P16.D4, a killer line-up and amazing lay-out. I believe 1500 copies was pressed, but it appears to be hard/expensive to find nowadays.

Info in discogs says "the tracks D1-D4 were organized by P16.D4, but actually were done by non-P16.D4-members of SELEKTION (an organization of artists and musicians, related to P16.D4 since 1984) in an attempt to create P16-D4-style music."


One of the few items on my "must-have" list. What an incredible pairing of groups! Got some sloppy mp3 rips with bad scans, but even those make this seem worth having.

Interesting to hear about the non-P16.D4 workings.

FreakAnimalFinland

Was listening last night P16.D4 – Tionchor LP. 1987 Selektion label release.  fits well among recent weird noise listening I have been doing. This is so early and crude and noisy stuff, it surely is tape manipulation, cut up and experimental... but rather than being at "musique concrete" / "electro acoustic" -categories, it tends to lean into territories I would qualify as noise. If not HARSH noise, some sort of noise nevertheless. There are few moments there that may have been influential even for Shimpfluch Gruppe related projects? Very neat 1987 compilation that consists their old compilation tracks.

Later CD edition consists 3 more bonus tracks and almost tempted to get that because of the bonus.. but I guess owning the original LP will have to be enough.

Track 1 first release on Sensationnel Le Journal No 1 C60 (Illusion Production, IP 012)
Track 2 first release on Dry Lungs LP (Placebo Pla-15)
Track 3 first release on Mail Music LP (Nicola Frangione, LP 001); further transformations of this material were used for "Extended Symbols" released on Distruct LP
Track 4 first release on Anthems LP (Trax, 09/83)
Track 5 first release on Hate's Our Belief 2 x C90 (Torture Clinique)
Track 6 is a live version of P.D.'s "Progressive Disco" (studio version on P.D.'s Inweglos LP, 1980), recorded by P16.D4 in Guntersblum Dec 1980, cut and processed (with original P.D. vocal material) 3 years later; first release on Funk 2 / Audiology No. 3 C60 (Vox Man Records, A No. 3); reverse version on Musica Venenae C60 (XXX, 30)
Track 7 started as "83" which uses some of the basic materials of "Dumpfes Begleitgefühl" (on Kühe in 1/2 Trauer), it given to S.B.O.T.H.I. and transformed into "85"; this double-piece was the first result of the P16.D4/S.B.O.T.H.I. cooperation project which led to the Nichts Niemand Nirgens Nie double-L.P. released in 1986; this double piece was combined with a third fragment, "86", and released after the double-L.P. on Bad Alchemy Nr. 5 magazine w/ cassette (B.A. Nr.5)
Track 8 first release on Cadavres Exquis C90 (Chimik Communications, CC 01)
Track 9 first release on Magnificant March Of The Dead Monkeys LP (Cordelia, Ericat 003)
Tracks 10 and 12 first release on Devastate To Liberate LP (Yangki YANGKI 1) in double speed.
Track 11 first release on Thee Book C x C90 (Graf Haufen Tapes, GHT 34,35)
Track 13 first release on Strength LP (Azteco, A-003)
Track 14 was a project especially realized for compilations; it is based on 2 live-improvisations both recorded in January 1985 at the SB II, University Mainz; these two basic tracks were combined, processed and cut to 6 fragments, which were sent to different compilators; the track presented here consists of extracts from fragment 1 and 2 which were originally released on New Babel cassette (no label) and Phallophorie Two C90 (Reseau Phallus, RP 006)
Track 15 consists of the same basic material later used for "Passagen-Kryptokontur" (on the Nichts Niemand Nirgends Nie! double-L.P.); released on Ohrenschrauben LP (Dom, V-77-01) (erroneously backwards) and Ohrensausen LP (Dom, V-77-03); this is a restructured version (X/1986)
Track 16 first release on Zerstückelte Denkkurbeln LP (Schimpfluch, SH 02)
Track 17 first release on A Conclusion Of Unrestrained Philosophy CD (Liveevil, LMCD 1040)
Track 18 first release on Compromize CD (Selektion, SCD 006); this is a restructured version (VIII/1997)

Couple tracks to check out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3e3OtSex0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHwr5T70IxI  (I would recomment this for the current day fans of mixing crude broken noise with piano sounds that has been recently quote popular thing to do..)

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Zeno Marx

I'd appreciate a book detailing the P.D./P16.D4 crew and the Selektion label.  Guessing most of it would be about Ralf Wehowsky, aka RLW, and that's OK.  Maybe Frans de Waard could do it?  Wehowsky has done a quality interview or two, and as well spoken as he is, I think there is a lot more there to know and document.

The past week, I haven't been able to move out of the P16.D4 space.  Started like it usually does, waking up to Kuhe and Distruct on the mind, and after listening to the other two of the trilogy too, I hoped to venture off into the lesser known.  Blogs mostly being dead, thank goodness for youtube.  Maybe my memory is failing me, but I don't remember even the great blogs covering some of this stuff.

Kurzschluss - Schwarzes Loch 1981 - this is a great 15-minute track, mostly of vocal manipulations, but then darker other manipulations in the final third.

Kasperle Killerpilz - Trenkers Traum - there is a large segment that could be (mis)taken for proto power-electronics, but then it is clearly early Teutonic no wave art punk messing about for most of it - if you're in the mood for either, this is good - I can see that darker electronics and manipulations portion being of interest to the Broken Flag and Come Org enthusiast, even though it has nothing but sonic similarities in common.

also great to be able to watch the DVD included in Passagen.  Wasn't going to buy the box when I already have all of it:
https://youtu.be/ua4zLUnIl80?si=f8DPB5CvJVcwi2zN

and finally, I missed Intransitive releasing the 5th eaRLy W installment back in 2011, which is fantastic, but not completely unsurprising that they once played in a more musical arena, chasing their krautrock heros and childhood influences.  This 5th collection is like the first CD in the big Brume box set in this way, but this P.D. crew were leaning more into early electric Miles Davis and Mahavishnu Orchestra than sticking to just krautrock jazz fusion like Xhol Caravan.  They had definitely listened to Live-Evil, Agharta, and Pangae a lot.
https://intransitive.bandcamp.com/album/early-w-five-grauzeit

anyone have rips of these?  if you feel like sharing, please PM me:
P.D. – Nur Die Tiere Blieben Übrig
Pari Kekkonen Band, Schwarzes Loch – Pari Kekkonen Band/Schwarzes Loch
Various - Reißaus Vor Krach Und Chaos
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