COVID-19

Started by tiny_tove, March 10, 2020, 03:19:45 PM

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WhiteWarlock

#60

not saying c19 will be like 1918/19 Spanish flu... ww2 typhoid epidemic in Germany... or even your typical day in Yemen...
yet it has the potential of being big pain shutting down multiple facets of society mainly because of R0(spread rate), Politics, & FearPorn...
plus has nasty habit of primarily targeting/killing off pensioners supposedly...
always trust your Gov
they are your friends
& care about you
:P
(that was officially trolling just in case you couldn't figure it out in translation)

please DON'T EAT the Pangolins!!!

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Atrophist

Things are going to explode in Finland in 1-2 weeks max. Our Spice Girls government haven't done f—k all. They hide behind the backs of the health authority, but if you look at their statements going back 2, 4, 6 weeks they have been wrong every time.

Today it descended into South Park territory when the chief of national health organization was coughing and sneezing live on television, blowing his nose into a cloth handkerchief, rubbing his face with the same hand, then wrapping the hankie around a microphone he then handed to another person — immediately after telling the public to not do any of those things.

I'm involved in organizing two large gigs in the next few weeks, one of them part of a larger festival. The festival is almost certainly dead in the water, trying to decide whether or not postpone the other one.

WhiteWarlock

#62
Quote from: Atrophist on March 14, 2020, 03:31:34 AM
Things are going to explode in Finland in 1-2 weeks max. Our Spice Girls government haven't done f—k all. They hide behind the backs of the health authority, but if you look at their statements going back 2, 4, 6 weeks they have been wrong every time.

Today it descended into South Park territory when the chief of national health organization was coughing and sneezing live on television, blowing his nose into a cloth handkerchief, rubbing his face with the same hand, then wrapping the hankie around a microphone he then handed to another person — immediately after telling the public to not do any of those things.

I'm involved in organizing two large gigs in the next few weeks, one of them part of a larger festival. The festival is almost certainly dead in the water, trying to decide whether or not postpone the other one.
ja it's all getting Absurd South Parkesque... exponential rate of infection... R0 6+???
40 band Noise Fest here in May that will probably be completely fukt because of C19...
schools are shutting down... sporting events are cancelled.. "small" off the radar underground gigs could probably be safe..
as long as they don't go all psycho martial law on lockdowns, curfew, & travel checkpoints... plus legal fines for getting busted having small noise shows
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deutscheasphalt

Dude you linked a video from fox news to back up your claims so don't tell me to do my research
Your kind of mental processes are responsible for people believing in scientology and UFOs

Kim V

Quote from: deutscheasphalt on March 14, 2020, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: WhiteWarlock on March 13, 2020, 07:40:32 PMunfortunately "they" are learning using this "crisis" for "total control" & it's highly doubtful anything will ever be as it was before C19...
attempted warning people stock up on food and other important items month+ ago...
keep in mind this is only the first wave with the second more lethal viral wave typically coming next fall/winter...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-9v-TdshU
Shut up with your fear mongery. "Highly doubtful anything will ever be as it was" - are you kidding me?! Everything will go back to normal once this thing is over. "Attempted warning"?! yeah right not a douche thing at all to say in retrospect. I "attempted warning" months ago LOL.
"Second wave"??! Wtf are you talking about. In case you're trolling then good job you got me

yeah, he surely got you. Let him blabber, have a laugh over it if you can (i know, the urge to start rolling your eyes and uttering WTF ain't easy to surpress)
you're just a victim of yourself


JLIAT

Quote from: anomalie on March 14, 2020, 01:19:18 AM
It feels strange to post such a vid here, but this was the best interview with a Scientist concerning COVID-19 I've seen so far.

https://youtu.be/dcJDpV-igjs

Again the 50% to 70% of the population as catching the virus, yet in China- population of over a billion, < 90,000 reported cases giving a fatality fate of just under 4%. So either the 40% to 70% is wrong, or there are very many undiagnosed cases and the mortality rate is much lower. Or my maths is worse than I thought.

JLIAT

#67

Factories shutting down, no air travel, no global imports, people working from home, no cars on the roads, Apple and others closing stores. Why aren't the extinction rebellion people  cheering.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on ones view of humanity this will probably make no impact on the population in the long term. Well it might save the Pangolins, it will increase funding in immunology, and maybe encourage those who think vaccines bad to change their mind.
Hmmm?

So we are not all going to die, err well we are! So results looks like a greater understanding of virus' and the means to cope globally with them... and maybe those who think vaccines bad start using them, and rid the world of other killer diseases.

It seems to me when offered a back to the stone age, or embrace future technology the general population wants the latter. And good or bad?
I really don't know.











deutscheasphalt

My question given this whole shut-down panic sentiment is: why do the media, the government and all these people start caring about old people dying now? Cause it might potentially affect them? Nobody gives a shit normally and lets them just rot away piss poor all alone in some old people's homes. And now all of a sudden WE MUST STOP THIS DISEASE FROM SPREADING AT ALL COSTS. Really we do? Why?

WhiteWarlock

#69
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on March 14, 2020, 11:34:33 AM
My question given this whole shut-down panic sentiment is: why do the media, the government and all these people start caring about old people dying now? Cause it might potentially affect them? Nobody gives a shit normally and lets them just rot away piss poor all alone in some old people's homes. And now all of a sudden WE MUST STOP THIS DISEASE FROM SPREADING AT ALL COSTS. Really we do? Why?
exactly... Oligarchs don't give a fuck about anyone besides themselves first and foremost...  
saying there is something way bigger this "pandemic crisis" is going to be used for now...
they are already financially bailing themselves out in the states with trillions more Gov money & looting public resources via federal reserve public debt...
plus it is all highly politicized here during election year...
let's see what they roll out next... some speculate that this can be used as catalyst for mandatory digital currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLTsi3JErBo
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WhiteWarlock

#70
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on March 14, 2020, 08:33:26 AM
Dude you linked a video from fox news to back up your claims so don't tell me to do my research
Your kind of mental processes are responsible for people believing in scientology and UFOs

BTW everybody should realize L Ron was a greedy power hungry SciFi scribe for Jack Parson's(JPL) ill fated (Liber49)Babylon Working...
Supposedly the story is Crowley couldn't stand him at all and didn't even slightly trust LRH plus wanted him out of the Order & Agape lodge...
So after Jack blew up in the garage juggling nitroglycerine, L Ron ran off with his wife(Marjorie Cameron/LadyBabylon) his cash & his boat...
Then Hubbard invented his own Xenu cult for scamming cash from California Scene new age fools...
Doesn't everyone realize that by now??? (except maybe John Travolta & Tom Cruise trapped in a closet)
Thinking that Earthlings are the only sentient life in the cosmos is rather ignorant/shortsighted in a rather geocentric way...
unless of course you think the Earth is flat and stars don't really exist...
even though Pythagoras proved otherwise with "Hull Down" formula around 600bc
(you just trolled yourself?!)
Now let's get back on track with this absurd South Parkesque c19 pandademic fiasco that is causing the current global chaos..
Next...

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WhiteWarlock

#72


There are many more. What all these diagrams have in common:

   They have no numbers on the axes. They don't give you an idea how many cases it takes to overwhelm the medical system, and over how many days the epidemic will play out.
   They suggest that currently, the medical system can deal with a large fraction (like maybe 2/3, 1/2 or 1/3) of the cases, but if we implement some mitigation measures, we can get the infections per day down to a level we can deal with.
   They mean to tell you that we can get away without severe lockdowns as we are currently observing them in China and Italy. Instead, we let the infection burn through the entire population, until we have herd immunity (at 40% to 70%), and just space out the infections over a longer timespan.

from Tim's link post^


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deutscheasphalt

Quote from: Cementimental on March 14, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
https://medium.com/@joschabach/flattening-the-curve-is-a-deadly-delusion-eea324fe9727
Again - "If we assume that 55% of Americans catch COVID-19" - I don't see this percentage established anywhere in the article.
Of course if you just assume this insane number of infections, the curve will exceed guesstimated hospital capacity by far.

All I ever took from these graphs was that distancing, isolation & washing hands slows down the spread and will not reduce the total number of infections by much if at all, which is both true.
I don't think ordinary citizen look at that illustration and go "oh, the creators figured out the exact number of cases we will get + the exact capacity of hospitalization and came to the conclusion it is exactly "2/3, 1/2 or 1/3" "

Yrjö-Koskinen

I still have a fundamental (emotional/gut) instinct that this is all overblown and possibly borderline humbug, but since it seems to benefit literally no-one and perhaps more importantly be completely unpredictable as to its outcome, it is very difficult to find any usual suspects' motive. It is obviously very bad for virtually all economies and countries, it is equally obviously viciously "anti-globlist" given its effects on borders, ethnic suspicions etc. Add to that the massive blow to all governments who either overdo under underdo things, and the fact that if the consequences are bad but not apocalyptic, there will be millions of people who hold either opinion at the same time (=populist golden moment). If you want to tinfoil hat this one, it would have to be something like "Western intelligence agencies trying to stunt Chinese growth" or "USA/Israel trying to break/limit China and Europe", and it just seems a bit much and too stupid for me.

All this would indicate that we have no choice but to revert to taking things at face value. The problem is then that there is no "face value" upon which to take things. The experts and officials we are supposed to trust once we ween ourselves off of fake news and online hatred contradict each other at every turn, with numerous respectable researchers quoting "50-70% infection rates" even while others says we should all just keep calm and keep going to the local swinger party. Geopolitically, the battle lines are all screwed up - basically you have a restrictive/cautious team consisting of among others China, Italy, Denmark, the Ukraine and Norway, and the "flatten the curve and chill out, bro" countries consisting of such ideological buddies as Boris' UK, Sweden, Germany and Trump's USA. And, obviously, all these governments have their opponents in the form of online haters and resisters, which means you can now find German and Swedish far right people posting the exact same information and arguments as US progressives (Bidenites and radicals alike). It's all very odd, and somewhat hilarious, but it does not make things easier to understand.

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