Video: People Who Do Noise

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

I don't remember if was talking about this documentary movie here. I think that it deserved on attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYRw-fEG874&feature=share

[RyanWreck]

This isn't generally the stuff I listen to (more experimental) so I skipped it. A documentary with the early Whitehouse most of the current Finnish guys, Taint, Deathpile, "no coast", Hospital, TF/PE, etc. Maybe some Sotos. That would be awesome. Wish I had the money to fund it myself.

[GEWALTMONOPOL]

It's AWFUL! Full of dumb hipster cunts who I'd be surprised if they even make noise anymore. There are a couple of exceptions but they are totally outnumbered and can't save this spectacle. It sums up everything I despised about American noise and Americans in general. The only good thing about it is that it can serve as a document of the sheer idiocy of that era of noise from America. It should be called People From Portland Who Wear Converse and Call Each Other Dude.

If you want to laugh at stupid hipster assholes with no clue, then you're in for a treat. If you want to watch something substantive then get City/Ruins - Art in the Face of Industrial Decay. It doesn't redeem PWDN (why should it?) but it portrays a genuine and intelligent music community who treat their craft with seriousness and dignity.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

This isn't generally the stuff I listen to (more experimental) so I skipped it. A documentary with the early Whitehouse most of the current Finnish guys, Taint, Deathpile, "no coast", Hospital, TF/PE, etc. Maybe some Sotos. That would be awesome. Wish I had the money to fund it myself.

I think that we shouldn't close so called NOISE in ghetto. POWER ELECTRONICS is ONLY one of the several genres in such what I call INDUSTRIAL MUSIC. Of course we can always talking about why there is SMEGMA, and not TAINT, but this document isn't about the most important artists but about phenomena and I think this task was rightly accomplished.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

It's AWFUL! Full of dumb hipster cunts who I'd be surprised if they even make noise anymore. There are a couple of exceptions but they are totally outnumbered and can't save this spectacle. It sums up everything I despised about American noise and Americans in general. The only good thing about it is that it can serve as a document of the sheer idiocy of that era of noise from America. It should be called People From Portland Who Wear Converse and Call Each Other Dude.

If you want to laugh at stupid hipster assholes with no clue, then you're in for a treat. If you want to watch something substantive then get City/Ruins - Art in the Face of Industrial Decay. It doesn't redeem PWDN (why should it?) but it portrays a genuine and intelligent music community who treat their craft with seriousness and dignity.

I don't see your hate to young, American generation noise artists or your opinion about Amercicans as idiots. If they are idiots, you should say that Polish or French people are the same, why not? Do you know so well them, that you see big differences between them? Are Finnish people smarter than Americans or Polish people?

Besides, I didn't put this link because I am big fan of artists (many of them I didn't know even) who took part in this movie. But because, in my opinion, this document is interesting no valueing of artists.

[GEWALTMONOPOL]

Most of the people in that documentary and the noise people in general I met, heard and dealt with from that side of the pond did their nation no favours. A bunch of free for all chancers with no quality control, horrible aesthetics, weed smoking hippe fucks. The Wolf Eyes ilk. Yuck! I'm glad that shit died on it's arse.

There is another America. It's featured in the City/Ruins DVD I recommended. After a dark period of American dominance, a dominance which was very much about a release a week hubris and general arrogance towards the rest of the world, it offers great hope. Watch it or don't.

[GEWALTMONOPOL]

Also, what the fuck is this "hate against young people"? There's plenty of young and more or less totally unknown and inexperienced people in the City/Ruins DVD. They all, without fail, come across as thoughtful and genuine people who have interesting things to say. Unlike the waffling morons in PWDN so desperately vying for our attention.

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

Most of the people in that documentary and the noise people in general I met, heard and dealt with from that side of the pond did their nation no favours. A bunch of free for all chancers with no quality control, horrible aesthetics, weed smoking hippe fucks. The Wolf Eyes ilk. Yuck! I'm glad that shit died on it's arse.

There is another America. It's featured in the City/Ruins DVD I recommended. After a dark period of American dominance, a dominance which was very much about a release a week hubris and general arrogance towards the rest of the world, it offers great hope. Watch it or don't.

I like WOLF EYES very much and that all scene, with HAIR POLICE, DEAD MACHINES, EMERALDS and so on, even that younger generation with ultra hipster IMPREGNABLE... I didn't see City/Ruins DVD yet, but I know about line-up and I saw some parts, and I aggre with you, this is another America, this is very good movie (I think), but I wouldn't value artists against them. All of them describe something more that hipster psychedelic funny play music or dark, mizanthropic and apocalyptic so called TRUE noise.

[GEWALTMONOPOL]

I don't mind hippie drivel if it has substance but that was my problem with the Portland DVD. Most people there had precious little to say at all. We all start as empty vessels that get filled over time, but why feature in such a high profile medium when you haven't had the chance to evolve into something substantive as an artist? Is that really a good way to introduce yourself to the world? It's symptomatic of the times we live in that people want to be seen and noticed without having contributed anything. It's on TV, it's in the gossip mags, gutter tabloids and most of all on the internet. Full of useless cunts with mouths and hands that spew nothing but shit. This documentary proves that noise, at least in that part of the world and at that time, was no different. As such it's a worthwhile document. It would be interesting to know how many of the people in the DVD who actually make noise now.

Wolf Eyes eh? As I'm such a gracious man you can be my friend anyway. ;-)

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

I don't mind hippie drivel if it has substance but that was my problem with the Portland DVD. Most people there had precious little to say at all. We all start as empty vessels that get filled over time, but why feature in such a high profile medium when you haven't had the chance to evolve into something substantive as an artist? Is that really a good way to introduce yourself to the world? It's symptomatic of the times we live in that people want to be seen and noticed without having contributed anything. It's on TV, it's in the gossip mags, gutter tabloids and most of all on the internet. Full of useless cunts with mouths and hands that spew nothing but shit. This documentary proves that noise, at least in that part of the world and at that time, was no different. As such it's a worthwhile document. It would be interesting to know how many of the people in the DVD who actually make noise now.

Wolf Eyes eh? As I'm such a gracious man you can be my friend anyway. ;-)

I wish I knew better English, so I am not able to write something more that I have in my mind... So, I hope I will clear in my views... First of all such as you I prefer artists (in music too) who want to say something because ART is specific kind of dialogue between two men. But, music is very specific. We shouldn't expect that every artist KNOW (or WANT) what he would like to say us. The nature of music is abstraction, though INDUSTRIAL/NOISE artists used/use it only a tool to express their views.... but still many of them see this music ANLY as way to catharsis. For some context of that is funny, for other more serious, but listener/recipient shouldn't leap it to heart/mind. Why? Because here is this very complicated matter which concerns with ART and artist's subconscious. I don't want to go deeper in that, but to speak clearer I prefer to see music as independent factor no link with its creator (his behaviour, official statements, character, and so on) ... Secondly, you speak that these noise hipsters are hopeless cunts. Why don't you give them a chance? Do you think that your favourite artists when they were begining, don't happen with the same or similar opinions come from Willliam BENNETT and other so called STARS on industrial/noisemusic? I think we should focus only for music, don't watch for artists if they have long hair, wear psychedelic t-shirts, shoes or do stupid gestures or make faces.

[GEWALTMONOPOL]

You haven't paid attention to what I've said but never mind. Lets focus on the music. With precious few exceptions it was GARBAGE!

[Andrew McIntosh]

I remember trying to watch this thing before and being put off by a few main things. Firstly, the vacuous ambiguity of the statements. Considering that Noise has been part of the western musical cannon since the Futurists, and that Industrial has been around for around three decades now, I don't think explanations of Noise being defined as "undesirable sound" and "if you don't like it etc." are really necessary. If this was to be a general documentary about Noise it would be, but this is simply a documentation of a local scene. Secondly, constantly mumbling, "like...like...like...", "the cosmos" (I was never a big fan of Pulse Emitter anyway) and (a personal bugbear) "it's kind of the point, anyone can do it" just comes across as simple dilettantism, which doesn't suggest much more for the scene being documented. Yet another documentary designed more as an introduction than an in-depth look. This time I got up to the fellow singing into a microphone holding a tea kettle before I gave up.

As for what I can hear of the actual Noise, hardly inspiring. Too much "quirk".

[ImpulsyStetoskopu]

Considering that Noise has been part of the western musical cannon since the Futurists, and that Industrial has been around for around three decades now, I don't think explanations of Noise being defined as "undesirable sound" and "if you don't like it etc."

I would like to behave only to this sentence. Of course NOISE (I prefer term INDUSTRIAL NOISE, this is more precise) has roots in Italian bruitism but this is ONLY roots. Futurists (actually only RUSSOLO and few artists from so called second futurism) had different relation to noise sound than all artists from industrial avant-garde of rock music or industrial noise (excluding few projects, i.e VIVENZA, SAT STOICIZMO or LE SYNDICAT, who intentionally wanted to adopt Italian bruitists' concepts). So far as futurists saw in noise sound specific beauty and symbol of movement, modern industrial/noise artists consider noise sound as exclusive "musical" tool to express their frustration and riot against modern world, Judeo-Christian values, and so on... Futurists were opponents against some values too but they saw a new industrialized world as beauty, and industrial/noise artists don't see this world in optimistic colours, and don't see here any positive values. So, we can not join them in that simple way. So, I agree with an artist from this movie who said that "noise is undesirable sound". This is definition of noise. NOISE is undiserable sound in our culture/society, doesn't it? Such as death, hard pornography, fascism, satanism, occultism, sickness... So noise is sound illustration of this exclusion from our society/dominant culture, it is synonym of all mentioned banned phenomena in our culture.

PS. Do you think really that opinions of those artists from local scene about noise as phenomena  are so different to artists from other part of the world?


PPPS. Anyway, I saw this document the second time, read all posts here again, and I must agree with all who were more sceptic to this movie and most artists who took part there. In Poland are little noise scene in which are very simillar hipster artists. I am very critical against them, They focused all what here was negative written about vacuous  ambiguity... I think I was too much excited because, probably, there is too less movies about this type of music/art...

[RyanWreck]

They should have a different name like for this like "People from Portland Who Do Experimental Music" then it wouldn't be as misleading.

[Andrew McIntosh]

You are quite right to point out that only a few projects/artists have taken influence from the Futurists directly but that was not my point. My point was that noise, atonalism, dissonance, increased volume, abstraction, etc. has been well and truly part and parcel of western music for at least a century, taking the Futurists as a starting point ("since the Futurists", I wrote). I was referring to those elements of western music that would impact on Noise, up to and including Industrial. I am aware of the history of Futurism, by the way.

Personally, I draw a distinction between noise the dictionary definition and Noise the genre. Noise the genre may well be undesirable to mainstream culture but I'm not thinking of mainstream culture when I make it or listen to it. To me, Noise is desirable sound. Those other elements you mentioned I can take or leave as I desire or not.

No, I don't expect their views to be any different from a lot of other people who "make Noise" and that's another reason why I think this documentary is boring. In fact it reminded me of a film made at the start of the 00's of experimental musicians in Queensland, Australia - very similar in many ways. The only difference to me was the regional aspect and that at that time I hadn't seen many films like it, so I understand your enthusiasm to share this film. I'm pretty sure, either on this forum or the Troniks forum, one could track down a list of films about Noise/PE/Industrial if one was keen.