MALE RIGHTS MOVEMENT / IDEOLOGY

[jesusfaggotchrist]

This topic was split from PC faggotry topic. -moderator

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/deadbeat-dad-sentenced-to-probation-ordered-not-to-procreate/article_50347514-3d80-11e2-9eee-0019bb2963f4.html

This is a great idea. I'm all for it. There should be severe restrictions on certain people breeding.

Not that I disagree, but courts are very biased against male defendants. Of course in largely feminist controlled sub genre like noise, men's issues are oft ignored and often thought of as silly and even mocked.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

in largely feminist controlled sub genre like noise

How it is controlled? Who is feminist? Bands, labels, organizers, distributors,.. fans? Just about everything what is ever dealt within noise is "mens issues", isn't it?

Not long ago, conservative "right wing" capitalist party youth organization leader in Finland, wrote at facebook that we should not encourage or support breeding of the "weakest element of society". Of course he got lots of shit for this, and in week had to resign from his job. His youth organization is under the party of currently biggest Finnish party and also same were current president belongs. This guy had some jewish background, and media make big deal how jew could talk about "weak element in society". No matter how many times he explained it was no racial remark or anything like that, there was no chance he could make things right. One comment at facebook and your "political career" can be over.
I recall his logic was based on child-care. To ensure kids are born wanted. Not because state pays you benefits. Not because you can just drop them to social service when you feel moody, not because you're such wreck that you just don't give a fuck.
Public discussion - as far as I followed - seemed to be more about "should all parents be good looking and rich", and it again makes one think public debate wouldn't be necessary as it leads nowhere. Just sterilize the weak element when it seems accurate choice.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

i meant the people involved Mikko, not the actual music itself

[FreakAnimalFinland]

i meant the people involved Mikko, not the actual music itself

Yeah, but that meaning... people of bands, labels, organizers, distributors,.. or fans? And if its not the labels/bands/artists who create this music, how do the fans "control" it?

[HongKongGoolagong]

This must be the most ridiculous shit ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_uRIMUBnvw

Why not follow it up with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2V2QVvJlt4 for a double-dose of ridiculous annoyance. Remember to check your privilege!

Noise feminist-dominated? Hmm, not sure about that. For every hand-wringing liberal guy involved there's a Kyle Nonneman type too. As for most women in noise/industrial culture, they seem to be inspired by the more positive aspects of feminism (not shutting up or playing dumb and embracing creativity) but leave the uptight judgmental PC shit to their 'sisters' in the world of politics and journalism. 

[jesusfaggotchrist]

as an MRA I never knew there was a positive side to feminism. hm hm...learn something new everyday

[FreakAnimalFinland]

MRA... Could it stand for male rights activist of some sort? Such thing has been on steady uprise in Finland for years, and most of all dominated by angry men online. And I dare to say, that bunch of losers includes most likely the biggest of the crybabies out there. When making to real papers, real media, appear as utmost clowns.

Whole idea of "more rights for men", in world as it is, seems culture of modern pussyboys. Traditionally, men don't beg for rights. They take them. That's it. Any male rights groups appear counter-subculture of misunderstood feminism, and becomes very much obsolete.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

are we a bit offended by the fact that the tide is turning, Mikko? you know we are everywhere.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

just because we don't "traditionally" beg for rights doesn't mean we don't deserve them. statisically speaking, men die sooner, drive longer commutes, work longer hours, are not favored in most domestic violence cases, alimony or child support cases. that's why i find it hysterical when women complain about the wage gap and so-called 'oppression'. the law and goverment have been on your side for awhile and your branding of us as "angry white neckbeards" has become tiresome and redundant. so people are finally figuring out the balance of power in europe and in the rest of the western world. congratulations, pat yourselves on the back....remember evry movement that starts off as a way to even things up eventually becomes a way to get back. i mean, look at the NAACP.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

not to mention we serve twice as long in prison for the same offense, and women never have to fight on the frontlines or register for the selective service. feminists, smug as always, call this "male privilege"

[ddmurph]

MRA as in

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wow, i never thought i'd see a post here relating to latex of the non-rubber type. kudos

[FreakAnimalFinland]

are we a bit offended by the fact that the tide is turning, Mikko? you know we are everywhere.

I'm not offended by any turning tides as I see none happening in favor of "MRA".
Men lead in just about any field of human culture. Men as gender need absolute no additional "rights".

These men who advocate things like "mens rights" ask for things they do not often deserve - as men. They are not the sharpest pen or brightest diamond, but the mud what ought to be cleaned from boots that should trample them. This whining about lack of equality in this and that case, from my perspective is just nonsense. I do not believe in equality that would be obtained by undeserved rights.
"My side" is not the side of feminist, nor "MRA". I believe in type of state or politics, where such nonsense is irrelevant as genders have their natural role how they flourish (or don't if they don't have ability).

In same amusing way as political correctness is, I think perhaps male rights movement is slightly interesting. But perhaps male rights should be topic of its own. That people like that are everywhere, is no wonder. It is unfortunate state of contemporary society. In very same way like basic western spoiled brats complaining of lack of everything when they live in abundance beyond wildest imagination of even kings merely few dozens years ago... Quality what they really lack, is unfortunately something what can't be given by rights.

[jesusfaggotchrist]

are we a bit offended by the fact that the tide is turning, Mikko? you know we are everywhere.

I'm not offended by any turning tides as I see none happening in favor of "MRA".
Men lead in just about any field of human culture. Men as gender need absolute no additional "rights".

These men who advocate things like "mens rights" ask for things they do not often deserve - as men. They are not the sharpest pen or brightest diamond, but the mud what ought to be cleaned from boots that should trample them. This whining about lack of equality in this and that case, from my perspective is just nonsense. I do not believe in equality that would be obtained by undeserved rights.
"My side" is not the side of feminist, nor "MRA". I believe in type of state or politics, where such nonsense is irrelevant as genders have their natural role how they flourish (or don't if they don't have ability).

In same amusing way as political correctness is, I think perhaps male rights movement is slightly interesting. But perhaps male rights should be topic of its own. That people like that are everywhere, is no wonder. It is unfortunate state of contemporary society. In very same way like basic western spoiled brats complaining of lack of everything when they live in abundance beyond wildest imagination of even kings merely few dozens years ago... Quality what they really lack, is unfortunately something what can't be given by rights.

since when did I say they needed additional rights? please point out where I said that, because I didn't.

[Vigilante Ecstasy]

Some finnish MRA-activists like Henry Laasanen and Hannu T. Sepponen are more like no-nonsense counter-feminists, academic guys just frustrated to the fact that the feminist lunatic cunts are given so much attention in society, press and media. I think this activity is just very healthy counter-reaction to irritating and aggressive bullshit that the marxist "intellectuals" shit out so eagerly, basically just defending common sense from this twisted smug victim-mentality.
But yeah, men hopping in to this victim-trend and just absorbing this crybaby mentality of scoundrel who has only rights and no obligations isn't very flattering for men. Like my previous boss used to say: "Of course it's ok for men to cry, but it looks very stupid."

[FreakAnimalFinland]

since when did I say they needed additional rights? please point out where I said that, because I didn't.

What's the point of male rights movement? You're after something, what is the rights for men. That's what whole movement is called. You're looking for something which supposedly do not exists in a way they should, otherwise you don't need to call for changing situation. You listed specific cases which are not favorable for men at the moment.

So make a decision. If things are ok, no need to demand "male rights". If you need more privileges and more rights, you can admit so. It would be plain absurd to say you're male right activist if there are no rights you're demanding.

Or would you say that movement is out there just to make some sort of gentlemans deal? Because we fight wars, die sooner and cumulate more income in world, as good will gesture female species should throw in couple freebie rights to compensate. Maybe couple casual rapes and forget the child support demands, hah..


I think the finnish male rights movement, Laasanen and the folks, follows the route of americans like Warren Farrell. When I first read the observations of female sexual power in society and its effects, of course it appears to make sense. From my perspective it is simply doesn't seem to rise much other questions than: so what?

It is the obvious fuel of how world goes around. If men was left to live in world with no women, what exactly would you need? Hand, roll of toilet paper and one room flat? If that? Female sexual power what fuels men to reach stars and build castles and so on. It might create frustration, bitterness, hate, lust and violence - yet is necessary - most of all because that negativity creates plenty of good things in life.

I do not want to see society where myth and power of genders are stripped down in atrocious ways of cultural marxism. I don't see "male rights movement" offer alternative, but seeking pretty much exactly the same. Organizations like Miesten Tasa-Arvo RY ("Male Rights org) appears as repulsive as SETA (sexual equality org) or Vapaa Liikkuvuus...

Certainly I think for those who have never read "counter feminists", I would recommend so.