occult & esoteric

[Plague Haus]

Anyone into runes ?

I've studied them, but still an initiate, for sure. I've read several of Stephen Flowers' (Edred Thorsson)  books, with several more to go. Lots of good sites around, but some I frequent:

http://www.runaraven.com/
http://runegild.org/
http://www.woodharrow.com/

[Strömkarlen]

Anyone into runes ?

I've studied them, but still an initiate, for sure. I've read several of Stephen Flowers' (Edred Thorsson)  books, with several more to go. Lots of good sites around, but some I frequent:

http://www.runaraven.com/
http://runegild.org/
http://www.woodharrow.com/

My mum have adopted a rune stone together with a friend. I think it is nice that two ladies in their seventies go out into the woods and clean a rune stone a couple of times each year.

[Levas]

Anyone into runes ?

I'd recommend Guido von List. He has some really interesting books.

[SafeWord]

I am highly interested in the life and works of Aleister Crowley, Kenneth Grant,
also the writings of the Temple of Black Light are interesting to read, and in reference to the anti-cosmic/gnostic satanism also heavily influenced lyrics of black metal band Dissection.

A good stockist of new and used occult books are

http://www.weiserantiquarian.com/cgi-bin/wab455/index.html

[Litharge]

I am highly interested in the life and works of Aleister Crowley, Kenneth Grant,
also the writings of the Temple of Black Light are interesting to read, and in reference to the anti-cosmic/gnostic satanism also heavily influenced lyrics of black metal band Dissection.

No offense intended, but when I first happened across the website for The Temple of the Black Light a couple of years ago I thought it was strictly an exercise in graphic design; most of the imagery there is very well executed.  But when after beginning some reading of their online text I realized the ToBL was actually supposed to be "serious", I couldn't help but laugh a little.  From everything I've seen of the outfit it strikes me as a terrible mishmash of any and all quasi-Satanic themes and ancient, random, unrelated mythology, glommed on to by a bunch of immature "kids", in an effort to concoct the most GRIMM, KVLT, SINISTER online fantasy they could come up with.  I don't follow the contemporary Satanic zeitgeist closely, but even so I'm still a little surprised at how much attention and support this whole "Current 218", "Anti-Cosmic Satanism", "Azerate" jazz has garnered.  To some extent the internet phenomenon reminds me slightly of all the O.N.A. posers and bandwagoneers.

And still, something even worse I've glanced at online has to be the "Cult of Cthulhu":

http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/

[ARKHE]

What I remembered from the TotBL website, the stuff that they had available (rituals and invocations etc), it felt like... metal. All the demons and evil gods you can imagine, all suggestive and monolithic imagery, everything cried out EXTREME METAL AESTHETICS MADE CULT. It appeals to the same aspects of the sensation of the numinous as does occult black/death metal when you're a kid. And most of the people I've encountered who are into the 218 current thing, come from the extreme metal underground.

http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/library/invocations.html - "...to offer 'poetic' and codified discourses concerning some of the different aspects of the Divinities of the Black Light..."
http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/library/invocations/invocation_of_the_nameless_one.html

But since I'm an outsider, and a pretty atheistic one, it's natural that I don't get it. If it works for them, good, despite all the black metal connections and trends I'm sure they don't approve of less than extremely serious practitioners.

[SafeWord]

I am highly interested in the life and works of Aleister Crowley, Kenneth Grant,
also the writings of the Temple of Black Light are interesting to read, and in reference to the anti-cosmic/gnostic satanism also heavily influenced lyrics of black metal band Dissection.

No offense intended, but when I first happened across the website for The Temple of the Black Light a couple of years ago I thought it was strictly an exercise in graphic design; most of the imagery there is very well executed.  But when after beginning some reading of their online text I realized the ToBL was actually supposed to be "serious", I couldn't help but laugh a little.  From everything I've seen of the outfit it strikes me as a terrible mishmash of any and all quasi-Satanic themes and ancient, random, unrelated mythology, glommed on to by a bunch of immature "kids", in an effort to concoct the most GRIMM, KVLT, SINISTER online fantasy they could come up with.  I don't follow the contemporary Satanic zeitgeist closely, but even so I'm still a little surprised at how much attention and support this whole "Current 218", "Anti-Cosmic Satanism", "Azerate" jazz has garnered.  To some extent the internet phenomenon reminds me slightly of all the O.N.A. posers and bandwagoneers.

And still, something even worse I've glanced at online has to be the "Cult of Cthulhu":

http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/

No offense taken, your words are very familiar to what others have said in online forums. It is hard to take their work seriously, it has some interesting ideas, but i think falls short with being too eclectic and like you mentioned just trying to be dark as possible. There book Liber Falxifer which is sold through Ixaxaar seems to be more on the money and is interesting from a scholary point of view but the suggested rituals, because it is in essence a grimiore, come off sily again. TOBL are supporters of the ONA and its writings so there is certainly influence there. Funny enough though, that the supposed creator of the ONA converted to Islam.

[SafeWord]

What I remembered from the TotBL website, the stuff that they had available (rituals and invocations etc), it felt like... metal. All the demons and evil gods you can imagine, all suggestive and monolithic imagery, everything cried out EXTREME METAL AESTHETICS MADE CULT. It appeals to the same aspects of the sensation of the numinous as does occult black/death metal when you're a kid. And most of the people I've encountered who are into the 218 current thing, come from the extreme metal underground.

http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/library/invocations.html - "...to offer 'poetic' and codified discourses concerning some of the different aspects of the Divinities of the Black Light..."
http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/library/invocations/invocation_of_the_nameless_one.html

But since I'm an outsider, and a pretty atheistic one, it's natural that I don't get it. If it works for them, good, despite all the black metal connections and trends I'm sure they don't approve of less than extremely serious practitioners.

good point, from my understanding i have a strong feeling that the order was created within a metal community and alot of its originating members eg Jon from Dissection was part of the Misanthropic Luciferian Order which has become the TOBL

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Funny enough though, that the supposed creator of the ONA converted to Islam.

But as pointed out by people over and over again, his reasoning is well enough documented in his own words, right?
The original ONA life of hermit / shadow person outside society isn't necessarily giving that much possibilities to operate right now. Even less than C18 or NSM.

What the neo-Nazi fanatic did next: switched to Islam
Two faces, two converts - two Muslim extremists in Britain
By Nicola Woolcock and Dominic Kennedy
A NEO-NAZI whose ideas were said to be the inspiration for the man who let off a nail bomb in Central London in 1999 has converted to an extremist form of Islam.
David Myatt, a founder of the hardline British National Socialist Movement (NSM) who has been jailed for racist attacks, has changed his name to Abdul Aziz ibn Myatt. David Copeland, who is serving six life sentences after three people died in his Soho bomb attacks, was a member of the NSM.

Myatt is reportedly the author of a fascist terrorist handbook and a former leader of the violent far-right group Combat 18. But now — in his mid-50s and sporting a red, bushy beard — he subscribes to radical Islamist views.

In an internet essay entitled From Neo-Nazi to Muslim, Myatt asks: "How was it that I, a Westerner with a history of over 25 years of political involvement in extreme right-wing organisations, a former leader of the political wing of the neo-Nazi group Combat 18, came to be standing outside a mosque with a sincere desire to go inside and convert to Islam? "These were the people who I had been fighting on the streets, I had swore (sic) at and had used violence against — indeed, one of my terms of imprisonment was a result of me leading a gang of skinheads in a fight against 'Pakis'."

In a later interview, Myatt supports the killing of any Muslim who breaks his oath of loyalty to Islam, and the setting up of a Muslim superstate. He describes himself as having been "staunchly opposed to non-white immigration into Britain and twice jailed for violence in pursuit of my political aims".

He added: "I spent several decades of my life fighting for what I regarded as my people, my race and my nation, and endured two terms of imprisonment arising out of my political activities."

But his belief is now that: "The pure authentic Islam of the revival, which recognises practical jihad (holy war) as a duty, is the only force that is capable of fighting and destroying the dishonour, the arrogance, the materialism of the West . . . For the West, nothing is sacred, except perhaps Zionists, Zionism, the hoax of the so-called Holocaust, and the idols which the West and its lackeys worship, or pretend to worship, such as democracy.

"They want, and demand, that we abandon the purity of authentic Islam and either bow down before them and their idols, or accept the tame, secularised, so-called Islam which they and their apostate lackeys have created.

"This may well be a long war, of decades or more — and we Muslims have to plan accordingly. We must affirm practical jihad — to take part in the fight to free our lands from the kuffar (unbelievers). Jihad is our duty."

Myatt, who briefly became a monk after his second spell in prison, said that he became a Muslim while working long hours alone on a farm. He grew up in Africa, moved to Britain in 1967 and spent time living in Worcestershire. In July 2000 Searchlight, the anti-fascist magazine, described him as "the most ideologically-driven Nazi in Britain, preaching race war and terrorism".

Myatt was the architect of the NSM and was involved in the leadership of Combat 18. He issued a statement in response to the Soho nail bombings saying: "Neither myself nor anyone else connected to the NSM can be held responsible for these bombs in any way. That responsibility lies with the person who constructed them, planted them and caused them to explode. Only that person, and God, know the motive behind the attacks."

Myatt said that "all bombs are terrible and barbaric", whether detonated by lone bombers, Western governments in Iraq or Zionists in Palestine.

"The NSM considered the creation of a revolutionary situation in this country as necessary since it wished to build an entirely new society, based upon personal honour, and believed this could only be done by destroying the dishonourable and corrupt society of the present.

"However, the NSM neither preached, nor sought to incite, what is called 'racial hatred'. Instead, it strove to propagate the warrior values of honour, loyalty and duty, and make the British people aware of, and come to value, their ancestral warrior culture and warrior heritage."

Myatt said recently that he had given up hope of a breakthrough by the far Right and believed that Muslims were the best hope for combating Zionism and the West. "There will not be an uprising, a revolution, in any Western nation, by nationalists, racial nationalists, or National Socialists — because these people lack the desire, the motivation, the ethos, to do this and because they do not have the support of even a large minority of their own folk," he said.

"If these nationalists, or some of them, desire to aid us, to help us . . . they can do the right thing, the honourable thing, and convert, revert, to Islam — accepting the superiority of Islam over and above each and every way of the West."

When you read his statements, it's easy to see which are among his consistent motivations and when he simply changes tools/tactics necessary to gain what he wants to?

Many of these matters, are still results of pen works of eccentric artists, most of all. Not necessary philosopher, not necessary theologist, etc. but really more of eccentric artists going through internal studies and observations. Does it make it less? ...or more?

[tiny_tove]

well, apparently he wasn't the only one changing attitudes.

by the way, in Europe several big names of the radical right turned to Islam without abandoning their ideas.

Thin about Sigrid Hunke's "The Sun of Allah Shines over the West", the work of Claudio Mutti from Edizioni del Veltro, or the antisemitic/revisionist group Radio Islam, etc.
There are many examples.
Although I quite peculiar shifting from radical christianity, to self styled satanism with flying saucers attached and then returning to base with Islam.

Thing is how credible is a group that claim to advocate political culling, and at the same time spreading their documents amongst uninitiated as they used to do in the 90's when that stuff was easily available from archives like Baelder, etc.?

I do not discuss their "theology" (sic)behind it, but the boasting of certain practices with one feet in politics raise many questions, especially regarding how disorganized is law enforcement in UK.
Something like this in Italy or Germany would have been shut down in no time.

[SafeWord]

Occult history is filled with practicers who switch currents, idealogies, worship of different gods. Crowley went through a number of religious shifts that even he admits contradicted each other, chaos magick promotes the idea of the paradigm shift and does not withold the magician to one particular doctrine, these ideas especially make sense in terms of comparative religion, all achieving spiritual enlightement whethet you follow a left, middle or right hand path.

[tiny_tove]

yes but I am thinking about the disastrous effects they leave on plant earth sometime while seeking for such enlightement.

Evolution/growth is quintessential in a human being, especially when walking difficilt paths.
Evola himself started from Dada and shifted into always more complex subjects.

[tisbor]

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[arrendersimorte]

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* Three hour-long or six half-hour sessions @ $100

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* Group seminar rates are based on availability, duration, accommodation, and travel expenses.

* Comprehensive, hands-on nine week e-course workshops focusing on the following subjects: the Fourth Way, Viridian Sorcery, and Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. E-courses will be starting on May 1st @ $75 per subject. Sign up ASAP because space is limited to 7 people per "classroom".

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[Tommy Carlsson]

by the way, in Europe several big names of the radical right turned to Islam without abandoning their ideas.

But is this surprising, or just a continuation of how things have been since WWII? Islamism and nazism have never had much problem co-existing. Think of how the grand Mufti of Jerusalem admired Hitler, and vice versa. Think of how many German officers who made their escape to Egypt after the war, Nasser had no major problems with them, and some of them converted to islam. Think of the Muslim division of the SS -- the Handschar Division ~



And well, today you can still see a lot of examples of people going from nazism to islamism, and it's easy to see the common ground they have.




EDIT -- so my 88th post is the one with the nazi pic. How fitting! :)